2013-01-08, 14:55 | Link #281 |
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Reading these post its pretty amazing how all you guys contribute to this tread. Alot of thought behind each opinion and how as fans we look into making predictions.
1) Who will do it ? 2) How it will be done? 3) Why it will be done by that method or series of actions? Then combining 1 to 3 and analyzing if that possibility is consistent with what Kishi likes or has done by comparison to his past chapters? Then finally arguing if that would yield a good chapter in terms of story progression. This is an amazing intellectual debate. If only I put in this much work into school..hahah wow just blows me away when i see this. Cool part is we do it every week and its fun. --- I do have a question for those really good at prediction..is the manga still fun to read when you are on point with how the major turn of events will be like? Like the part where most would probably see this talk no jutsu with Obito going down for Alliance's benefit. Or is each week just more for "I am still waiting for that rare chapter that completely does something unexpected from what I thought." |
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2013-01-08, 16:11 | Link #287 |
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Considering the fact that he brought hundreds of people back to life moments after talking with Naruto, it is obvious Nagato never lacked for power. And since then we have seen even more amazing abilities of the Rinnegan (though some of them seem to be used with the MS). No, Nagato gave up; and while he did give up for a reason (albeit a really shitty one), he still gave up.
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2013-01-08, 16:50 | Link #289 |
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Considering Nagato and Konan (who didn't fight, but conceivably could have dealt some serious damage) were fairly confident that Nagato could still defeat Naruto (with or without the controlling rods), yes Nagato gave up. It was Naruto's words which inspired Nagato to stop fighting, not that Naruto was the stronger opponent.
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2013-01-08, 17:08 | Link #290 | |
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He didn't give up either, he tried to impale Nauto with a rod but was overpowered, and he even was surprised that Naruto could resist his control at basically point blank range. To say Nagato just gave up is not very valid. To say he did dumb things to contribute to his lose is. He didn't have to destroy the village, but he did just to prove a point. If he had his gravity powers from the start Naruto would not have killed 4 of the 6 Pains. He didn't have to have a talk with Naruto when he had him pinned down. He made mistakes, but he never just quit like you say. Naruto won based on his own strength and a bit of Nagato making some silly mistakes. Not out of pity. |
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2013-01-08, 17:34 | Link #291 |
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^Again, Nagato had the sheer power to still bring back hundreds if not thousands of lives. To claim that Nagato was weak when he still had the power of life or death in his hand is false. And, as we've seen with the edo tensei Nagato, he still possessed all the powers of the Six Paths (rockets, summons, etc), and he could have still used Deva's powers. Etc. Nagato's body may have been destroyed, but his eyes were still fine, and in Naruto all that matters are the eyes...
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2013-01-08, 17:34 | Link #292 |
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Even Konan was getting nervous in that scene. She started coming up with arguments to make it look as since Naruto did not plan to kill him he just had to bring himself.
The only thing Nagato could in that state was throwing another spike which barely affected Naruto. As a zombie Nagato did better because he absorbed Killer Bee's chakra and regained his physical state. |
2013-01-08, 18:07 | Link #293 |
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Throwing that spike out was his last ditch attempt to get Naruto. It basically shows he still was trying to get Naruto and it would have worked if naruto wasn't so strong. That one action shows he was trying. So what if he could bring back the dead, that hardly helps him against Naruto and not indicative of his combat abilities at that time. His last once of life was used to do one jutsu that would not have hurt Naruto....
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2013-01-08, 18:25 | Link #294 |
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Technically you're both right...
Nagato didn't really give up, but at the same time he was stronger then and did defeat naruto... Nagato already took on the whole leaf village and won by the time naruto came on the scene.. Then nagato beat a overly prepared sage mode naruto and all of his summons, and had him pinned to the ground basically finished. Naruto then had to be saved by hinata, then was possessed by the kyuubi..which doesn't count as naruto because it wasn't his power nor was he in control of it... Then nagato fought against and held his own against a nearly fully transformed kyuubi, and still had enough power to go head to head with sage naruto after that although deva path was eventually beat in that fight.. Then nagato STILL had enough power left to resurrect a whole village.. The point is nagato didn't give up, but he definitely wasn't beaten by naruto either...nagato is light years ahead of sage mode naruto in power. |
2013-01-08, 20:17 | Link #295 |
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I think the issue was that Nagato's only means of fighting was through the Six Paths of Pain but they became useless when Naruto removed all their spikes. According to Konan, the old Nagato was the Seventh Path and his ability was using the Gedo Rinne no Jutsu while the other Six Paths had offensive moves.
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2013-01-08, 23:23 | Link #297 |
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I know what his point was, I just disagree with the conclusion. We don't know how chakra intensive the revive jutsu is. All we know for sure is that it costs one's life and it needs the eyes. That's it. We also know he has used chakra to the a severe enough point that he was coughing up blood and even Konan was worried.
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