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AnimeSuki Choice Award Winners 2017
Winners of the 2017 AnimeSuki Choice Awards! This time round we had only a measly 44 votes, the largest vote count in the history of AnimeSuki Choice Awards, period. A massive thanks for those that participated and as always, big thanks to felix for his voting and counting scripts (and all the lovely banners). Feel free to give feedback, especially on how the voting system could be improved. Final Results -{A1}- [Best Storyline & Plot] 37 votes / 7 abstained Previous Winners: 2016 Winners 2015 Winners 2014 Winners 2013 Winners 2012 Winners 2011 Winners 2010 Winners 2009 Winners 2008 Winners 2007 Winners
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2018-02-08, 14:42 | Link #2 |
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Thanks for all your hard work on this. Nice to see Made in Abyss and Rakugo take so many awards, since they were the two best shows of the year IMO.
Pet peeve, as ever - no way TV anime should be forced to compete against movies in the production value categories.
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2018-02-09, 14:07 | Link #4 |
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I second this. I'm only disappointed that your name. dominates the "Best Movie" category, although I consider both In This Corner of the World and A Silent Voice highly superior.
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2018-02-09, 18:47 | Link #5 |
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I look at the fantasy category and wonder if that's the first time we've seen a three-way tie? Fun thing to consider: if all three abstained voters had gone for SukaSuka, we'd have had a four-way tie. I'd have loved to see that.
Joking aside, the fantasy category is pretty strong this year, with a very broad range, too. Comedy is also pretty strong. I still think the best sports anime of the year is Tiger Mask W. Did anyone even watch that show? |
2018-02-09, 18:56 | Link #6 |
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I'm more than happy with results and I'd like to thank everyone that participated and worked on this poll.
It's sort of funny that Bondrewd won best antagonist when he only had short scenes in the anime, but I guess that just goes to show how effective his scenes along with the after effects of his actions were.
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I'm also disappointed that LWA didn't get at least one nomination for the OP/ED category. The second ED is beautifully animated. And the lack of GAMERS anywhere is a real disappointment. The show had its flaws but it was insanely funny and the OP is now stuck in my head again
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I watched about half the first episode before dropping it. Does that count?
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Movies pose a special problem in that they are much less available for viewing (at least legally) than televised shows. I'm sure I'm not alone when I see movies in the list that I haven't heard of, never mind watched.
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I've always felt like the whole point of the awards was to raise awareness for shows you liked and to get them on other people's radar. I feel like it would be kinda counterproductive to remove an entire selection altogether. And as far as I'm aware of, films are only a controversial inclusion in the Visual & Animation category. It just seems kinda harsh to ban them from all the other categories too. At the very least, I'd like to have a Movie category. Quote:
Then again, I do make the eligibility lists every year...
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2018-02-10, 18:25 | Link #13 |
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Agree with Haak—–-
Big advantage of the awards, regardless of if you agree or disagree with results of nominations or voting phase is that you get a big sorted list with what you "maybe you should give the benefit of a doubt?" according to people on this forum. Mainstream popularity bias is a factor of course, but I personally trust the general consensus here more then other places. It's also interesting to know what's "mainstream" here, and what isn't good enough (I was surprised the we didn't get fate-bombed again for example). Movies are particularly interesting in this regard since they're generally discussed very little and there's much less exposure for obvious reasons. So in a sense it's kind of important to keep them. And frankly given we have categories like ongoing, side-character and so-on dropping movies seems guaranteed never to happen. Right now I think only sports is on the chopping/swapping block. As for visuals category problem, I believe it evens itself out, movies may have bigger budget but TV shows have more then enough exposure to compensate by sheer numbers. If enough people watched it and it was so good visually that it left a impression strong enough for people to remember them when voting then it's fine if they win (note that we do DVD release, not first screening, so movies do get quite the disadvantage in a way already). We would accept it even if it was some 20min short, so long as people thought it was the best eye-candy of the year; there's no rules or argument against it, since A categories are for everything (as are B & D categories).
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2018-02-10, 19:17 | Link #14 |
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No, I have no problem with a Movie category. And I actually have no problem with movies competing in categories other than Visuals and Animation and, maybe, musical score. But it seems unfair to let movies, with their vastly larger budgets, compete with television series when it comes to production values. I took an extreme stance because I'm an ornery old coot. My actual preference is to ban movies from Visuals and Animation. I don't think we need an additional V&A category for movies either. Let that influence how people vote for Best Movie.
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2018-02-10, 22:00 | Link #15 |
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I don't really see the problem. Made In Abyss is only four votes behind your name. (And I think A Silent Voice is easily superior in terms of animation and character acting, though of course your name. has pretty impressive Shinkai backgrounds.) There are tons of movies that are only mid-TV tier in terms of animation and the category also includes the word "Visuals". Movies at the level of A Silent Voice or Ghibli movies are incredibly rare and deserve recognition for their visual achievements. And if you look at this season's Violent Evergarden, it's obvious that TV anime are catching up, though most of them are unable to maintain a high level.
Last year non of the four top-voted works in that category were movies. (And Yuri on ICE!! didn't even make it into the top four, despite having some of the best long animated segments ever seen in TV anime.) The same goes for 2015. I don't really have any reason to believe that movies are inherently at advantage here. |
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As for the visuals category; I'm fine with it the way it is. Different people vote differently, but technical flawlessness isn't high on my list of priorities. I prefer to vote for shows that have a distinctive look (Koe no Katachi looks pretty much like a KyoAni show, with very little to set it apart other than maybe production values - I don't really have a good eye for that.) |
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2018-02-11, 16:05 | Link #19 |
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From my personal perspective, the only two reasons we make a distinction between movies and TV is because the presentation format is sufficiently different (episodic vs single concentrated experience), and as with OVA because movies would otherwise not get much mention.
Disclaimer: By budget is never going to happen since it's too much work, even if we had accurate numbers on everything. And not just for the organizers mind you. The current fixed limit on categories is set in place precisely to keep everything manageable for the voters; as per feedback of several years back. But lets talk about this problem, since it's interesting nonetheless. Lets suppose we ignored talent and prestige of studios doing them and considered that the so called "budget" was the single determining factor involved; as it's commonly worded in common lingo "[X] has good budget" / "[Y] is very low budget" and so on. Given that, why would it even be just movie vs tv? TV series don't have the same budget clearly. Or are we to believe things like netflix's new show or most of the fate series that won landslides in previous years had the same budget as any other show? You even have colabs like the FranXX show from this year, who knows where that fits in. Not to mention you also have the chicken & problem of TV series that come out as movies or movies that split into TV series. Similarly some movies have shit budget. It's not also even a case that movies have some unnatural advantage since they're shorter, they're not that much shorter at all, 100 min is roughly just 5 episodes, so half as long as a 10 episode show; not to mention they're given less wiggle room for wasting time then a TV show. How is that any different then 12-ish episode shows vs 26 episode shows? and we've had shows in the running that were much much more then 26 episodes as well. If we went by length the problems are unending. An argument could be made that movies have an advantage at pitching the higher budget and TV series will naturally have expectations of lower budget. No justification of course but that's what everyone typically believes I think. However how much of a factor is that really? Since if an "idea" had enough clout to be pitched at said higher budget then it would have gotten a very favorable budget even as a TV series not just as a movie; and we've seen this plenty times over, in particular with the Fate shows; if nothing else they have this magical "budget" factor in their favor. Would Made in Abyss The Movie have been "higher budget"? I personally don't think they would change the style much at all, just compress in more content. Finally, I want to point out that this "per-budget" triage system wouldn't even work. Your Made in Abyss and similar would still have lost just the same, because even though they're TV they're clearly in the A+ budget category. If nothing else it would be an even more "undeserving" loss (as some might think of it) since now it's not just 2nd, it's technically even lower in importance since we have another A and B budget category. In addition whatever is "best" in the A and B category may be better or worse then your Made in Abyss of the year, the polls won't tell you either way, since in a cold blooded split-by-budget contest there is no differentiation by hard work or love put into it, just how much money per minute they got to do it. The voters have no say since the split in categories would already have been made. I'm sure this whole budget argument would be flipped around once people notice their favorites are not in the roflstomp budget categories they want. Not to mention scenarios of beloved show X, being marked B-tier due to them achieving greatness from nonexistent budget. So at this point, in this fictional scenario, one has to ask. What does the budget triage even give? Does anyone actually care what's the best B-tier animation—–- Seems to me this "budget" argument for the split, only sounds good, but doesn't hold water.
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Budget doesn't even matter that much compared to talent and schedule. One-Punch Man did have about the same budget as other TV shows. Generally the budgets of TV shows all seem to be more or less the same. See also this article and this article.
Veteran animators often tend to drift towards theatrical productions, though, but that shouldn't be a determining factor. |
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