Good Ending (GE)

[Xagzan]

It's really not. Again, she didn't know his feelings or what he was looking forward to, and it wasn't her responsibility to. There was no malicious intent on her part, that much was obvious.

But, yeah, hitting girls. That makes you cool huh.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Waven

His feelings for Shou were a simple crush in my book, while his relationship with Yuki has been developed through common experience, that's all I'm going to say about it.

I totally agree with you there. Crushes like he had are shallow, even if you deny it and not intend it. What he has with Yuki has more depth and solidity.

[Arturro]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

Oh come on. "What she did to him," "tried to hurt him," "comeuppance?"

She cancelled one 'date' to go out with her old crush without even knowing Utsumi's feelings. It wasn't nearly as horrible as you're making it sound. It's not a girl's responsibility to "recognize his feelings." It's nice if they do, but it doesn't make her a bad person if she doesn't.

From her point of view it was just canceling a date with a schoolmate. She went with her old crush, Utsumi was just a same club member. She probably canceled a lots of such "dates", or attempts to date her.

From his point of view:
1. She canceled their first date - Utsumi is not a player, it was hard for him to ask her for a date, she first agreed just to cancel it later. It's depressing if you're not used to be rejected.
2. She canceled a date in rather nasty way (for him). From his point or view she didn't considered him important enough to reject him face to face.
3. She rejected him just to go with another man - it's always disheartening for a man.
4. She almost immediately became inmate with that guy. It doesn't matter she was not his girlfriend or anything like it - it's always heartbreaking to see yours beloved one in arms of another. Google for NTR or netrorare.
5. Her sempai turned to be a jerk. Shou chose a jerk over him - he is worth less than a jerk (for her at least).

I repeat - yes, Shou could date and sleep with anyone she choose. She didn't rejected Utsumi because she wanted to hurt him. But she hurt him in a very painful way. If you've failed to notice he was heartbroken - read GE again.
Utsumi is a pushower, but I doubt even he will be eager to go back to someone who hurt him that way.

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

It's really not. Again, she didn't know his feelings or what he was looking forward to, and it wasn't her responsibility to. There was no malicious intent on her part, that much was obvious.

But, yeah, hitting girls. That makes you cool huh.

She knew his feelings, she realized when her friend brought it up.

And you obviously don't know the definition of hypothetical. >.>

[DragoZERO]

Shou was a stepping stone. She is old news.

She will prolly come to have feelings for Utsumi again, but will get smacked in the face with the reality that she let a good guy get away. Even though she was hurt already but the jerk she chose, she will be hurt again when her feelings for Utsumi are not returned.

I think I am going to read this manga again...it is really good and I could use a refresher.

[xris]

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[ZODDGUTS]

Originally Posted by physics223

She's probably the final hurdle Yuki and Utsumi have to overcome to become a solid couple.

I see Yuki's ex-boyfriend being more of a hurdle if he shows up, which I think he will. Even if by chance he doesn't show up I see someone else bringing him up not Utsumi of course since he knows now talking about him will only bring bad memories for Yuki. We've seen how she reacts when ever he's brought up especial her outburst with her cousin. For Utsumi and Yuki to become a solid couple she has to emotionally move on from her ex, otherwise their relationship is doom because she'll be still thinking about her ex, not exactly great for a relationship. I'll likely be Yuki's cousin that ends bringing up about Tohru again.

[-Sho-]

Chap 36-37 :

Yes that was predictable for Shou .
Let Utsumi x Yuki improve their relations pls .

[physics223]

Originally Posted by Arturro

From her point of view it was just canceling a date with a schoolmate. She went with her old crush, Utsumi was just a same club member. She probably canceled a lots of such "dates", or attempts to date her.

From his point of view:
1. She canceled their first date - Utsumi is not a player, it was hard for him to ask her for a date, she first agreed just to cancel it later. It's depressing if you're not used to be rejected.
2. She canceled a date in rather nasty way (for him). From his point or view she didn't considered him important enough to reject him face to face.
3. She rejected him just to go with another man - it's always disheartening for a man.
4. She almost immediately became inmate with that guy. It doesn't matter she was not his girlfriend or anything like it - it's always heartbreaking to see yours beloved one in arms of another. Google for NTR or netrorare.
5. Her sempai turned to be a jerk. Shou chose a jerk over him - he is worth less than a jerk (for her at least).

I repeat - yes, Shou could date and sleep with anyone she choose. She didn't rejected Utsumi because she wanted to hurt him. But she hurt him in a very painful way. If you've failed to notice he was heartbroken - read GE again.
Utsumi is a pushower, but I doubt even he will be eager to go back to someone who hurt him that way.

He was a pushover. I like it that right now he's manning up, but I agree with this post. I didn't say Shou was bad. I said Shou hurt Utsumi terribly, not that she was evil. But things do tend to come back and bite you in the ass sooner or later, and this is what's happening to her now. Any normal guy would preserve his last shard of integrity; I doubt Utsumi wouldn't, himself.

Yeah, I admit, it's probably Yuki's ex she has to get over of to really become a couple with Utsumi. A test will later come for Utsumi against Shou, but as I said, I can't see him capitulate with her, not with what she's done to him, notwithstanding her knowledge in the matter.

[Arturro]

Originally Posted by physics223

He was a pushover. I like it that right now he's manning up, but I agree with this post. I didn't say Shou was bad. I said Shou hurt Utsumi terribly, not that she was evil. But things do tend to come back and bite you in the ass sooner or later, and this is what's happening to her now. Any normal guy would preserve his last shard of integrity; I doubt Utsumi wouldn't, himself.

I agree, he is improving. Still a long way to go, but he is much better now.

Yeah, I admit, it's probably Yuki's ex she has to get over of to really become a couple with Utsumi. A test will later come for Utsumi against Shou, but as I said, I can't see him capitulate with her, not with what she's done to him, notwithstanding her knowledge in the matter.

It depends if mangaka will take readers complains into consideration. Or at least those readers who were angry because of NTR elements in GE. Last few chapters were good for Utsumi. It might be either the calm before the storm, or mangaka decided to be a little bit more nice for him

[Rainrir]

I don't think Utsumi forgiving Shou means he is a pushover. He might be non-assertive, but that doesn't make him a pushover. The thing was that he did what he did because he recognised that Shou has a long history with Kento. And the Kento of Shou's memory is not the jerk that Utsumi encounters later. In fact he tried to make HER feel better instead (even before Yuki consoled him), that is real character right there IMO.

Utsumi didn't "stop being interested" in Shou because she hurt him that way, his heart is too kind for that. He had some hanger-ons about her for some time. Yuki was the one that helped him get over it quicker than he would alone. He let go of Shou because Shou went with someone else she REALLY REALLY liked, and because he later fell for Yuki. Utsumi , AFAIK, is monosexual after he falls for a person, not even a harem of supermodels can make him stray. This seems to be his character at this stage.

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by Rainrir

I don't think Utsumi forgiving Shou means he is a pushover. He might be non-assertive, but that doesn't make him a pushover. The thing was that he did what he did because he recognised that Shou has a long history with Kento. And the Kento of Shou's memory is not the jerk that Utsumi encounters later. In fact he tried to make HER feel better instead (even before Yuki consoled him), that is real character right there IMO.

Utsumi didn't "stop being interested" in Shou because she hurt him that way, his heart is too kind for that. He had some hanger-ons about her for some time. Yuki was the one that helped him get over it quicker than he would alone. He let go of Shou because Shou went with someone else is REALLY REALLY liked, and because he later fell for Yuki. Utsumi , AFAIK, is monosexual after he falls for a person, not even a harem of supermodels can make him stray. This seems to be his character at this stage.

it cant be helped tho...... she never even took his feelings into account..... if it were imo.... ignoring her for a time is best.......

[Astral100]

Man, I just can't believe how in some ways Utsumi is an amazing protagonist, developing and learning from his mistakes, and in others ways keeps being emotional and immature wussy. Especially when it really matters.

The scene with the kiss really killed it for me. It was such a wonderful and romantic moment, when he finally went ahead and did something manly, but then he just goes and kills the whole atmosphere by acting as a total looser and idiot. *facepalm*

Man, I wish there were at least one good shounen romance with a strong and cool protagonist for god's sake!

Why is it always about loosers, weak pushovers, indecisive wussies? Whats wrong with the japanese mangakas? Do they seriously think we enjoy reading about weak pussies struggling with trivial matters? Thats just pisses me off.

The problem with GE is that it has such a great potential, but as soon as it does one thing right, it goes ahead and does two things wrong.

Well, hopefully it will become better in the future, at least the protagonist has become somewhat decisive, although he has a long way to go still.

By the way, judging by the pictures in the chapter 11, what do you think happened to Yuki in the past?

From what I saw in the pictures and from the story so far, it looks like

Spoiler for :

She confessed to Touru, but he used that instead to rape her in front of his friends who were shooting it on camera.
And they probably gang-raped her afterwards too causing her a severe trauma and making her unable to fall in love.

Makes you wonder about a few things like:
Why hasn't she reported this to the police?
Why does she still have feelings for him?
Why did those guy do it to her?
What did those guys do to her afterwards and what did they intend to do with the film they took?

What do you guys think happened?

[ZODDGUTS]

It was mention that Tohru was Yuki's childhood friend so both have known each other since they were kids. Who knows... maybe Tohru was bullied to tape him doing it with Yuki and than later shown to those bullies? If notice in that panel there all looking at the camera if Yuki was getting bang why would they look at the camera and not at the actual action going on in front of them? odd...

[Rainrir]

Utsumi thinks that he just performed sexual harassment on Yuki in a moment of lust. That is why he ran away and reproched himself. That much is obvious.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

It was mention that Tohru was Yuki's childhood friend so both have known each other since they were kids. Who knows... maybe Tohru was bullied to tape him doing it with Yuki and than later shown to those bullies? If notice in that panel there all looking at the camera if Yuki was getting bang why would they look at the camera and not at the actual action going on in front of them? odd...

Evidently, you've never been to a porno studio .

Seriously though, my take was that Yuki was handled roughly for her first time by that dude and he secretly videotaped it. Then she somehow stumbled upon them watching the tape. It's not uncommon(in manga series) that childhood friends have instant access to each other's houses. It could have easily happened.

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by frubam

Evidently, you've never been to a porno studio .

Seriously though, my take was that Yuki was handled roughly for her first time by that dude and he secretly videotaped it. Then she somehow stumbled upon them watching the tape. It's not uncommon(in manga series) that childhood friends have instant access to each other's houses. It could have easily happened.

wait.... why did this lead to a porn studio?


if he did ever vid it..... he still has the original copy.... if utsu kills that...... HAPPY DAY!

[Arturro]

Try to imagine how Utsu will react, when he will learn about Yuki sex tape, or even watch it...

[KLGChaos]

Newest raws are out:

Spoiler:

Starts off with morning practice with Shou. A nice atmosphere between the two. Shou apparently wants to be a school teacher and Utsumi makes fun of her for it. :P Eri notices them walking together and ends up yelling at him, possibly for getting so close to her (she doesn't let things go it seems). Utsumi is a bit depressed about how he still doesn't know what he wants to do with his life like Yuki and Shou do. Leads to a funny scene with Eri grabbing his face.

Switches to work, where Utsumi and Risa are there. They start talking, with Risa blushing and she actually asks Utsumi if he's done "it" before (basically, asking him if he's still a virgin) and runs away, ashamed. Later on, as they're closing, she flicks the lights and the whole store goes out. Utsumi tries to find her in the dark and crashes into her from behind. They fall backwards with Risa landing in his lap. She then takes the opportunity to put some of the tricks she learned from the video to good use and turns around, squishing her bazoombas into Utsumi's chest. Chapter ends.

[DragoZERO]

38 is scanlated....

Spoiler for 38:

Good chapter. I am glad he didn't make a complete fool out of himself the whole time. And Risa's friends are laugh out loud funny.