Madoka Magica - Episode 06 Discussion / Poll

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by garbage

for others CC Sakura was the only one (in their world) and is a special case being the reincarnation of clow

Just a point of clarification, in both the anime and the manga Sakura was chosen by Clow, she was not his reincarnation.

[aeriolewinters]

Just a point of clarification, in both the anime and the manga Sakura was chosen by Clow, she was not his reincarnation.

Eriol is Clow's reincarnation. Though Brining up CCS could very well be Madoka's key to being a Mahou Shoujo. In CCS, Sakura only became CCS because she's:

Spoiler:

She's the daughter of Clow's reincarnation, Fujitaka. Hence, Sakura had innate magical power.
The reference might allude to the chance that Madoka has latent magical power within her. Something she doesn't know yet. I'm guessing that Homura isn't actually trying to stop her becoming a Mahou Shoujo, She's just stopping Madoka from creating a contract with Kyubey.

But anyway, why are people giving Madoka a boot. I'm actually quite happy with the way things turned out, sure in the short sight; Madoka did look stupid, but at least she made Kyouko realize that she was being used, and thus getting their chances up by causing a change of heart within Kyouko. This is what Madoka is actually capable of; a change. Had Madoka not thrown that soul gem, Chances are, The revalation about Soul gems won't come into fruition. So I think the action of Madoka actually helped out, in the long run, as what her mom said.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by bigdeath

Since magical girl bodies are dead, mami having her head bitten off shouldn't have mattered one bit. On the other hand, her tea cup seems to have represented her soul gem. Broken tea cup = destroyed soul.

Also, since magic comes from a humans soul, once the soul gem is destroyed then theres nothing left to be restored hence why the dead can't be brought back to life but living humans can have their bodies healed by a wish.

Okay, so we saw a broken tea cup, so she is definitely dead. It seems weird that she lost like that. Maybe she didn't even know about this and therefore couldn't do anything about it.

[Nikkan]

Is it just me or is the last sentence for the preview said by Mami?

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by felix

There's no excuse for taking another's life, period.

Seriously? You're not very logical if you don't think of the very obvious self-defense angle. If someone is planning to kill someone you love, and the only way to stop him is to kill him first, you're saying you'd have no excuse? That we should find you guilty? Or would you simply let your loved one die because *you* don't want to be guilty of killing someone?

Originally Posted by ahelo

Kyuubey is Hitler in anime. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- I feel sad for those girls.

And we've godwinned the thread! Well, I suppose I'm just surprised this didn't happen earlier, but we stumbled over using rapist, pedophile, and terrorist comparisons first.

[Neki Ecko]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

Eriol is Clow's reincarnation. Though Brining up CCS could very well be Madoka's key to being a Mahou Shoujo. In CCS, Sakura only became CCS because she's:

Spoiler:

She's the daughter of Clow's reincarnation, Fujitaka. Hence, Sakura had innate magical power.
The reference might allude to the chance that Madoka has latent magical power within her. Something she doesn't know yet. I'm guessing that Homura isn't actually trying to stop her becoming a Mahou Shoujo, She's just stopping Madoka from creating a contract with Kyubey.

But anyway, why are people giving Madoka a boot. I'm actually quite happy with the way things turned out, sure in the short sight; Madoka did look stupid, but at least she made Kyouko realize that she was being used, and thus getting their chances up by causing a change of heart within Kyouko. This is what Madoka is actually capable of; a change. Had Madoka not thrown that soul gem, Chances are, The revalation about Soul gems won't come into fruition. So I think the action of Madoka actually helped out, in the long run, as what her mom said.

To me, Madoka is probably on the wrong show I think.

But onward to my opinion.

I know that many people is getting Madoka alot of grief about her action but I think that she did the best thing she could have done, besides Sayaka is her best friend and she doesnt want her to go that experience again with Mami.

Also nobody didnt know about that Soul Gem thing until it almost too late. QB, you are very evil
But the most sad thing about this episode is, if you want to be a Mahou Shoujo, then you better say your last bye-byes or kiss your current life good bye, because you are Mahou Shoujo you have all this great power but the cost is: You are a Lich, you have to spend all of your time looking for Witches, if you cant find them, you might became one of them yourself, you will be lonely, if your Soul Gem is gone then you are good as Dead and you have to deal with other MS too.

[therationalpi]

Don't know why I picked up on this comment...but yeah, a few pages back:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

PS: The dimensions of that wine glass was kind of weird... The size of the ice, the amount of wine in it... Kind of odd, but that is also Shaft quality.

It was whiskey, not wine. Those that are serious about their whiskey prefer to use big chunks of ice that are roughly spherical (the real maniacs use big ice balls like this) Supposedly, that's the best way to chill your whiskey, and only get a little water diluting it.

Of course, this all depends on who you ask, some will only drink a single malt whiskey with a splash of room temperature water to release the flavor.

[Dist]

Great episode, but I was bit disappointed at the end. It would have been awesome in a weird way if Sayaka had actually died .. Madoka killing her best friend and all, would have been interesting to see how the anime had continued on from there but I guess not even this anime would go that far.

Also fu Sankaku. I got '' spoiled '' by going there before watching anime, saw title '' '' Stop killing our Mahou Shoujo '' and after watching the episode, I found out no one even died <.<

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Dist

Great episode, but I was bit disappointed at the end. It would have been awesome in a weird way if Sayaka had actually died .. Madoka killing her best friend and all, would have been interesting to see how the anime had continued on from there but I guess not even this anime would go that far.

Also fu Sankaku. I got '' spoiled '' by going there before watching anime, saw title '' '' Stop killing our Mahou Shoujo '' and after watching the episode, I found out no one even died <.<

Just because she didn't die in this episode doesn't mean she'll survive any longer. We still got 6 more episodes they've got plenty of time to do some killing off. With that being said which moment of the episode was better, the revelation or the DDR?

[therationalpi]

Originally Posted by Yumii-chan

Is it just me or is the last sentence for the preview said by Mami?

That's what it sounded like to me, at first. However, I think that's it's someone else. She doesn't have the same sort of lingering cadence as Mami.

However, if it is Mami...I had assumed that her wish was something along the lines of "I don't want to die here." or "I don't want to die alone." Either of which were fulfilled.

[Dist]

Haha DDR. I dunno, the episode as the whole I guess ? The revelation was interesting indeed, got me thinking that Mami wasn't completely dead but I guess that wouldn't happen with this anime .. I saw someone posting that the Teacup was her Soulgem, and if so then yeah, she's dead for good.

And it's not like I want Sayaka dead but having someone die to make the anime even darker is what I want, and what possibly could be darker than having their best friend kill them ? Well, that definitely won't happen in the next 6 episodes though.

Unrelated to above : Are there any merchandise or DVD's out yet ? I'm wondering about the sales in Madoka, to see if I can hope for a possible second season. 12 episodes doesn't just seem to be enough D:. Since it's original anime too, there's no manga to hold it back.

[Seihai]

For the ones still wondering, I'm pretty sure the preview voice belongs to Hitomi.

[jeroz]

Sayaka's abiltiy being fast regeneration + You can't die even if your body's totally destroyed as long as your soul gem stay intact
=
More visually gruesome treatments to Sayaka.

I can see her final destination being a lot worse than Mami's already.

[Reckoner]

Well to steer the thread back onto the events of the actual episode...

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned the scene where Madoka was talking to her mother. It was again, another brilliant deconstruction of the MG genre.

Usually in these sorts of scenes the parent would comfort our main character by saying that everything will be OK so long as she gives it her all and she bes herself.

However, in this scene, she is telling Madoka to be different, and to do something you feel may be wrong but is for their own benefit. She's telling her to be more selfish.

[Flo]

Speculation - More *deaths* in future episodes

Spoiler for Speculation base on episode 6's outro pic:

In the episode 6 outro picture, if you flip the pic horizontally you'll see a kanji/chinese word "死" which means DEATH

[Archon_Wing]

Holy crap, I've never seen a episode thread go off on all these wild tangents and analogies that relate to everything. Kinda like what happens during an Eva debate. Weird enough, that hasn't come up despite the fact both of them deconstructed their respective genres. I don't know, it's gotten pretty crazy and amusing; maybe I need the same drugs/lsd/w.e. the creators are taking to understand all of this.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Well to steer the thread back onto the events of the actual episode...

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned the scene where Madoka was talking to her mother. It was again, another brilliant deconstruction of the MG genre.

Usually in these sorts of scenes the parent would comfort our main character by saying that everything will be OK so long as she gives it her all and she bes herself.

However, in this scene, she is telling Madoka to be different, and to do something you feel may be wrong but is for their own benefit. She's telling her to be more selfish.

Yes... that was an interesting pep talk there. It goes against everything that is right... but it isn't wrong.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Yes... that was an interesting pep talk there. It goes against everything that is right... but it isn't wrong.

If you change "do something wrong" to "try something different", it's good advice, in my opinion.

And, in Madoka's mind, everything she's doing is right, so in order for her to be willing to do something different...

As the old saying goes, the definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over and over again, even if it keeps failing every time.

[FlavorOfLife]

Originally Posted by Makender

I am now even failing to see why morals even need play a part in this. Let us consider that he absolutely needs this number of magical girls to survive and insure his survival. Should he be called evil because he wants to survive? Should he be chastised when he offers due compensation? This is a moral grey area just like when a poor mom needs to steal for her kids or, taking from anime, the conflict amongst some of the vampires in Shiki about whether they are truly evil because they need to kill to survive. Morals aside, QB just does what he must and that is hardly evil. ASSUMPTIONS ABOUND

Yes he should if your viewpoint is from the victims viewpoint (aka Kyoko, Homura, Sayaka). As they did not know the critical aspects of the contract, they were "conned" into signing the contracts. For the point that it was negligence, i already pointed it out in the example that it is still evil.

The cannibal example also applies and is used to show that
i) You don't know how much he actually needs to eat and how much is actually just for enjoyment but we do know he has survived with only Mami's gather rate.
ii) Survival does not make the character not evil because there is an intelligence to it hence con jobs are possible and the victims view point must also be factored in

Using your example, if the poor mom cuts out people's kidneys for sale to feed her kids, is that evil? Now compare to your example of the poor mom stealing. What is the difference? This is one of the points that define what would be evil in most societies.

Then consider that the poor mom decides that having a 2 room house just won't cut it and decides to do more jobs, getting more kidneys as "insurance" (as we discussed) so she can live in comfort in a 5 bedroom beach mansion with 3 cars. To us, that amount of "insurance" is likely lol worthy but ask her and she'll say its all necessary. This is the point of how much "insurance" is really needed that was raised. This is not known yet but we do know with Mami alone he was fine and MS do not share spaces in most cases.

Some people fail to see if anything is evil because they do not place themselves in the victim's grouping as pointed out by some previous posters. Now if you were Kyoko and you received this news that was show this episode and it opens the question what else was not told, would you find Kyubei evil?

[chaos_animagic]

Hmm... I just thought up of an interesting thing...

If as the "evil rabbit" said... the "bodies" doesn't mean anything, only the Soul Gem do...

But in the earlier episode, when Mami died... only her body was damaged... what happened to the Soul Gem? where did it go? couldn't Mami's Soul Gem just revive her body and pop out a new head or something?

BTW... I bet at the end of this series... everyone will die just like that pic of Character's spelling out Death when flipped "

Spoiler for Death:

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