Dies Irae/Kajiri Kamui Kagura/Paradise Lost/Senshinkan series

[Wandering Soul]

For me it goes:. Reinhard's throne> Hajun's> Marie's > Ren's.

[Cosmic Eagle]

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The face on Amaterasu as she meets Habaki lol

[404NotFriend]

Kinda late but. Is that Ren's leg?! Holy cow that looks even weirder than Reinhard's leg

[Sparteh]

It really makes me wonder how would Tenma Yato's throne look if he had one. Would it look the same or would it be different.

[Cosmic Eagle]

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Insert obligatory "堕ちろ 堕ちろ 堕ちろ 堕ちろ FUCK OFF FOOLISH GOD!!"

[Sparteh]

Just saw DI OP for Nitendo switch and it looked awesome. However, it made me wonder about something and maybe someone here could answer it. No one can argue that Marie is the poster girl of DI. She is the primary focus of all commercial/OPs and even anime (which does not exists). Arguably, plot wise she could be considered the main girl as well. So why was Rea's route the last in terms of timeline and grandness and is considered the true end? Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start waifu wars or anything, but it makes little sense to me.

[trexalfa]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

Just saw DI OP for Nitendo switch and it looked awesome. However, it made me wonder about something and maybe someone here could answer it. No one can argue that Marie is the poster girl of DI. She is the primary focus of all commercial/OPs and even anime (which does not exists). Arguably, plot wise she could be considered the main girl as well. So why was Rea's route the last in terms of timeline and grandness and is considered the true end? Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start waifu wars or anything, but it makes little sense to me.

Yeah it makes little sense. Still the girl Ren invariably ends up with, in two continuities

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

Just saw DI OP for Nitendo switch and it looked awesome. However, it made me wonder about something and maybe someone here could answer it. No one can argue that Marie is the poster girl of DI. She is the primary focus of all commercial/OPs and even anime (which does not exists). Arguably, plot wise she could be considered the main girl as well. So why was Rea's route the last in terms of timeline and grandness and is considered the true end? Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start waifu wars or anything, but it makes little sense to me.

Well, if you are going to give what Ren wants, then there is no way he can be with Marie.
You know, he doesn't want to be god and just want to be normal.
And Rea end is the end where all influence from the Mercury gets removed so no one suffered from his evil machination.
So naturally Marie can't be a choice in this case.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I would say KKK end accomplishes that also.....until we got this whole Pantheon thing

[Sparteh]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Well, if you are going to give what Ren wants, then there is no way he can be with Marie.
You know, he doesn't want to be god and just want to be normal.
And Rea end is the end where all influence from the Mercury gets removed so no one suffered from his evil machination.
So naturally Marie can't be a choice in this case.

However, considering this, Kasumi would have been just as good if not even better choice. This situation kinda reminds me of F/SN and Saber, however her route suffered due to having need to introduce everything and overall all 3 routes were of equal worth in terms of being cannon.

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

I would say KKK end accomplishes that also.....until we got this whole Pantheon thing

The question is how Pantheon is going to tie the story together.

[erneiz_hyde]

Pantheon is plainly the sequel to KKK which is the sequel of Marie route. It only needs to tie the events of Rea route, which in the grand scheme of things doesn't really have anything important to tie to Pantheon. Besides, you can argue it is already done in KKK since it is shown in the end of KKK that Ren does end up with Rea in situations similar to Dies Rea route. It used to be that KKK is the "what if" scenario, but now Dies Rea route seems to be the "what if" one, or at least incorporated into KKK.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

However, considering this, Kasumi would have been just as good if not even better choice. This situation kinda reminds me of F/SN and Saber, however her route suffered due to having need to introduce everything and overall all 3 routes were of equal worth in terms of being cannon.

But you know what type of role Masada has designated her to.
She is stuck with the short end of the stick.

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

Pantheon is plainly the sequel to KKK which is the sequel of Marie route. It only needs to tie the events of Rea route, which in the grand scheme of things doesn't really have anything important to tie to Pantheon. Besides, you can argue it is already done in KKK since it is shown in the end of KKK that Ren does end up with Rea in situations similar to Dies Rea route. It used to be that KKK is the "what if" scenario, but now Dies Rea route seems to be the "what if" one, or at least incorporated into KKK.

Masada is using the KKK route because it has more things to talk about.

Rea route on the other hand doesn't have the room to expand anything.
Mercurius has deleted Hajun out of causality completely, so the only possible next step in post Rea route is Naraka retaliating directly.
And then Marie's world will eventually produce a technology that's even better than the Throne, and then, there is no and then. This route doesn't leave much room for things to happen. Rea route is the route that really really seals it.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

However, considering this, Kasumi would have been just as good if not even better choice. This situation kinda reminds me of F/SN and Saber, however her route suffered due to having need to introduce everything and overall all 3 routes were of equal worth in terms of being cannon.

Kasumi is even closer to Ren than Rea actually so I'd say she has her day too

Originally Posted by shmaster

Masada is using the KKK route because it has more things to talk about.

Rea route on the other hand doesn't have the room to expand anything.
Mercurius has deleted Hajun out of causality completely, so the only possible next step in post Rea route is Naraka retaliating directly.
And then Marie's world will eventually produce a technology that's even better than the Throne, and then, there is no and then. This route doesn't leave much room for things to happen. Rea route is the route that really really seals it.

You know it's only because KKK and beyond have more characters to play with....Setting-wise Marie world is not totally gone in KKK since there are still people living under that Law just that the admin is now Amaterasu so the argument that Marie as the final win also applies to KKK

[erneiz_hyde]

I wouldn't go that far
Marie's soul is gone, what's left is nothing more than an empty shell. I think it also doesn't recreate the Hadou coexistence effect, since KKK Ren doesn't seem to be the sensory of Yatou but is actually him.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

I wouldn't go that far
Marie's soul is gone, what's left is nothing more than an empty shell. I think it also doesn't recreate the Hadou coexistence effect, since KKK Ren doesn't seem to be the sensory of Yatou but is actually him.

No, but if it recreates the "everyone gets to progress and prosper" it should eventually threaten Naraka...

[AkitoW013]

Well, Naraka want to get the 10 Hadou Gods he need for whatever he's planning, in a way, Marie world in Rea's route is a form of stagnation because if any Hadou Gods emerge, they will be put down by her 3 guardians and prevent any forms of cosmic changes.

Now what we need to know is for what purpose he need all of them and why Hadou Gods? waiting for close to eternity and even risking the total annihilation of all existence for that purpose.

I hope we'll get an Happy Light stream this week-end, more news about the game and Amaterasu's Throne would be nice too.

[erneiz_hyde]

There are no guardians in the end of Rea route. Mercurius died for real and that means Reinhard and Ren can't be god.
edit: except in Mitsudomoe. but since Mercurius can actually die and cease to be a god, I'd say that Ren is also not a god here.

[Sparteh]

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

There are no guardians in the end of Rea route. Mercurius died for real and that means Reinhard and Ren can't be god.
edit: except in Mitsudomoe. but since Mercurius can actually die and cease to be a god, I'd say that Ren is also not a god here.

That is why a new route is necessary. Unless I misunderstood how the system works, there can only be 1 god at the top. The only exception was Marie's route where guardians were born. So, basically every new god crushes previous one. So, there are 3 possible methods I see for Pantheon to happen: 1 - clones made by throne, 2 - buffed time traveling, 3 - parallel universe.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

That is why a new route is necessary. Unless I misunderstood how the system works, there can only be 1 god at the top. The only exception was Marie's route where guardians were born. So, basically every new god crushes previous one. So, there are 3 possible methods I see for Pantheon to happen: 1 - clones made by throne, 2 - buffed time traveling, 3 - parallel universe.

The Throne is timeless anyway so 2 is not necessary and parallel universes canonically no longer exist since the Throne annexed them all (unless Masada changed his mind of course)

[erneiz_hyde]

Aw, no Pantheon update by the end of September. I thought the pattern was updating at every end of the month.