2010-12-22, 22:06 | Link #1942 |
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Hmm, I didn't view Gundam Seed as a failure.
I didn't like Destiny as much as the original Seed, but I still liked it. I admit that I'm a Gundam addict, so I like most Gundam series, but I for one really enjoyed Seed. Guess I must be weird or something.
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2011-01-19, 08:33 | Link #1944 |
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A bit late for the discussion, but I think the money=success faction miss a very important point:
Success is not only measured on immediate term, but also on future projection. A company policy that allows the company to make lots of money in one quarter and lose money in the future is not a good policy. If GSD is so successful, we would be seeing GS third season or GS movie already. With the popularity of GS (GS is a pretty good series. and it is the embodiment of the money=success idea. Some UC die hard fans hate GS, but they hate everything that is not UC anyway), GSD will sell no matter what (kinda like endless eight. Most people are cursing about it, but they watch it regardless). However, the negative opinion on GSD cause the axe on the GS franchise and make Sunrise start from scratch and we have gundam 00. It is kinda obvious that they want to make GS universe the new UC with Shin taking the role of Camille. And the Astray/ Stargazer stuff are equivalent to non-tomino UC like gundam 0080 or 0083. If GSD is successful, then even if sunrise decided to start a new gundam universe, they would use Fukuda to direct future gundam series. Dropping Fukuda is another indication that even Sunrise consider GSD is a failure.
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2011-01-19, 15:08 | Link #1945 | |
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As I already pointed out, GSD was topping charts, it was well received in japan.. ow and the last time we heard about the movie (in 2010) it is still in the early stage of pre-production and the movie was announced like 4 years ago. The fact Bandai hasn't dropped the project says enough about how much they care..
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2011-01-19, 16:26 | Link #1946 | |
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Did you read my post AT ALL? I said that GSD is going to pop the chart regardless due to being a sequel of a hugely successful GS. People will watch it even if they are showing blank screen! I already said, that if you want to say GSD is successful, I would like explanation of why we are not seeing GS season 3 featuring Kira/ Athrun/ Lacus/ Shinn...etc Or at least showing stuff in the same universe. We also see a huge deviance of style when comparing GS verse and G00 verse. If GSD is so successful we will see Sunrise trying to mimick its style. Sunrise is a large corporation. If a formula works it will stick with it. Also, word is cheap. Unless we are seeing a PV of gundam seed movie, I doubt the movie is actually in production.
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2011-01-20, 01:36 | Link #1950 |
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Oh I'm quite aware of that, but that wasn't my point. And the only reason DNF is coming out at all is because it was handed off to an entirely different company.
As things stand, the SEED movie will probably only come out if it's writing and development are handed off to someone else.
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2011-01-20, 01:48 | Link #1951 |
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It is true for most TV show, thus I don't think endless eight is a failure but rather a choice kyoani decided to make. However, Gundam is not JUST a TV show, it is a franchise. Gundam Seed is a goose lying golden eggs. GSD killed that goose.
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But what about the GSD-related merchandise and Gunpla?
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That's like saying the series Deep Space Nine (of the Star Trek franchise) failed for not having a sequel. And you'd have a hard time convincing me that Star Trek DS9 was a failed series. When did GSD go up against FMA? |
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Just so you know, GS and GSD are well known for having a wider range of audience then the Anime and Gundam otaku. One of the reason why it was so successful.. Quote:
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2011-01-20, 22:27 | Link #1958 | |
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Fukuda is not involved in any anime production since GSD. If he is so successful in GSD, then like you said, he would have his hands full with new anime production. He is not involved in any new anime production is the proof you need that GSD is not successful. (See the logic: GSD is successful: Fukuda have his hands full with new anime\ ?????: Fukuda do not have his hands full with new anime. What is ????? stands for?) GS is a success, GSD is not. I think I make myself very clear in my last post. People watch GSD because of the success of GS. To measure success of GSD, viewership is only one of the elements. Other elements include amount of sequels (All we have is stargazer, unfitting for such a "successful" series, company policy and directions (they abandon GSverse and go into G00)...etc. All of that indicate GSD is not as successful as Sunrise would like.
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2011-01-20, 23:04 | Link #1959 | |
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Destiny was successful with general audiences at the time, but did not go over well with most Gundam fans; aside from the years of mostly negative backlash to GSD, there's also the fact that most GSD Gunpla is still collecting dust on store shelves. So for Gundam fans--the audience that actually matters (as the non-fans will just move from one show to the next no matter what)--GSD was not a success. And that's why Bandai/Sunrise, while not cancelling the SEED movie, are in no rush to release it either. |
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And the last time I read about it, the DVD sales weren't bad either for Destiny. Surely those who watched Destiny simply because it's a sequel of SEED wouldn't buy the DVDs if they didn't like it. Did SEED do significantly better in that department? |
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