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Itlandm · 2017-01-29, 20:08

I guess Succubus-sensei still believes Tetsuo is immune to her power, or close enough that she only has the impact on him that an ordinary woman would have on an average man. Yeah, that hug would have gone down in infamy, I'm afraid.

A little weird how the girls treat Machi's body as a separate person to be hugged. It was not like they told him to hold their heads, after all.

BWTraveller · 2017-01-29, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Itlandm

I guess Succubus-sensei still believes Tetsuo is immune to her power, or close enough that she only has the impact on him that an ordinary woman would have on an average man. Yeah, that hug would have gone down in infamy, I'm afraid.

Expect doujins about it. A woman who triggers extreme sexual urges in men with just a momentary hand touch has full-body contact with a man in front of three fifteen-year-old girls who are just his type in an isolated classroom. Yeah, that would indeed live in infamy, and he'd probably lose his job. And possibly find out the probability that demi genes can be passed from mother to child. At least he'd have a new chapter for his book, right?

Funkatron · 2017-01-29, 22:30

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Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Expect doujins about it. A woman who triggers extreme sexual urges in men with just a momentary hand touch has full-body contact with a man in front of three fifteen-year-old girls who are just his type in an isolated classroom. Yeah, that would indeed live in infamy, and he'd probably lose his job. And possibly find out the probability that demi genes can be passed from mother to child. At least he'd have a new chapter for his book, right?

All her pent up sexual energy releasing all at once might be disastrous and cause a school-wide orgy.

aohige · 2017-01-30, 04:54

Whoa, I had no idea this was being animated. I discovered the manga last year when I was taking trip back to Japan and loved it. I figured maybe it'll be popular in few years and get animated... didn't imagine it would happen in the same year.

There's really not enough material for a series though, I guess maybe barely enough to pack into a 12 episodes one cour show.

EroKing · 2017-01-30, 07:56

BWTraveller · 2017-01-30, 21:05

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Originally Posted by aohige

Whoa, I had no idea this was being animated. I discovered the manga last year when I was taking trip back to Japan and loved it. I figured maybe it'll be popular in few years and get animated... didn't imagine it would happen in the same year.

There's really not enough material for a series though, I guess maybe barely enough to pack into a 12 episodes one cour show.

I partly wonder whether it might have to do with the recent release of Monster Musume (don't know if that was in any way popular). I mean, when I first read the title "Interviews with Monster Girls" I thought it was a sequel of sorts to that one.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-01-31, 07:08

Thinking about it, it's pretty amazing that Succubus-sensei got a job working with children at all.

I guess the laws that prevent discrimination against Demis would cover this sort of thing. I'm not sure if this particular school is particularly progressive or Demis are just that well accepted within the setting.

Liddo-kun · 2017-02-01, 07:12

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I actually felt this episode was pretty harem-y at times. There's certainly other aspects to the show, but the continuing harem-esque aspects with all the demis crushing on the teacher really saps the shows charm for me.

Same here, for some reason the harem-esque aspects have also drained my interest on this show. Which I find strange because have enjoyed and finished both Nisekoi and Date A Live - both are harem style animes.

/dropped

Random Wanderer · 2017-02-01, 11:45

...Guys, only Machi and Satou-sensei are interested in Tetsuo. You are inventing the so-called harem aspects out of your own paranoia. You are afraid of it being a harem, so you are seeing everything as proof of it being a harem, even though those things have nothing to do with that.

npal · 2017-02-01, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

...Guys, only Machi and Satou-sensei are interested in Tetsuo. You are inventing the so-called harem aspects out of your own paranoia. You are afraid of it being a harem, so you are seeing everything as proof of it being a harem, even though those things have nothing to do with that.

I believe Hikari is also KINDA into him. Maybe not as much as the other two.

Marina · 2017-02-01, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Liddo-kun

Same here, for some reason the harem-esque aspects have also drained my interest on this show. Which I find strange because have enjoyed and finished both Nisekoi and Date A Live - both are harem style animes.

/dropped

I find it really interesting that the harem set up resonates so much with you, particularly since you name those two other shows where harem themes are prominent and inseparable from their stories.

Demi-chan features a bit of attraction between the characters, but it in no way overshadows the more present social issues. Episode four in particular was a great discussion on diversity appreciation.

Gan_HOPE326 · 2017-02-01, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

...Guys, only Machi and Satou-sensei are interested in Tetsuo. You are inventing the so-called harem aspects out of your own paranoia. You are afraid of it being a harem, so you are seeing everything as proof of it being a harem, even though those things have nothing to do with that.

It's not to the point of dropping it for me, but you're being naive if you think that's not what the show is going for. It totally is. A harem doesn't necessarily need the girls to explicitly be into the MC. The concept is you're creating a fantasy for viewers who identify with the MC of being surrounded by girls acting sweet and cute with them. Even if they're not explicitly into him it's very much as if they were if they act familiar enough, are always cuddling/hugging him, etc. Of course this is the case here because this is merely a SoL with some harem-ish overtones, full-blown ecchi harems will have all the girls basically trying to bang the MC. But I don't think there's any doubt that the setting exploits that a little. If that was not the case, why would the demis even need to be all girls?

Newprimus · 2017-02-01, 16:16

Spoiler for regarding people dropping this show over harem aspects (doesn't spoil story):

People who are dropping this show because of harem aspects do not actually understand why harem shows often suck. Dropping this show just because more than one female character has a romantic interest in the main male character is pathetically shallow.

It's not just the multiple romantic interests or the clueless male protagonist. It's the INDECISIVE male protagonist. Who is also intentionally bland AF so that he can be a substitute for the male audience. The arbitrary reasons why the girls fall in love with the male MC, such as he saved her from bullies or from a tree or something, which results in a shallow crush that is based on a single event, regardless of the hero's character, which the story tries to pass off as deep and meaningful. It's the forced situations for fanservice that do not advance plot or reveal more about the characters. The repeated teasing of actual plot and romantic development only to be cockblocked by some arbitrarily random interruption. The plot device object from childhood, like a diary or a locket, that if the characters just opened or examined would solve all their confusions about who's the real childhood promise partner, etc and yet they NEVER think about doing this one simple act because doing so would erase 99% of the manga/anime's content. The arbitrary and utterly rage-inducing plot events or character turns forced by the author in order to keep the best girl from winning too much and keep the playing field level for all heroines in order to milk the story.... not to mention the best girl NEVER WINS. Also no one ever TALKS FIRST with one another. They always have to misunderstand and misjudge, and no one ever thinks to just ask what's really going on. There always has to be a long chapter or even arc all based on some silly misunderstanding that could've been resolved with a simple conversation.

How many of these does demi-chan have? Multiple romantic interests, and maybe romantic crushes borne from singular events. The rest don't really apply.

I think by only focusing on the multiple partners aspect of the harem trope show, people are over-simplifying it and at the same time doing injustice by slapping that convenient and simplified label on anything that seems remotely harem-y.

FredFriendly · 2017-02-01, 17:43

@Newprimus Well said!

I suppose it's useless to argue with those who believe this series qualifies as a harem. It reminds me of the arguments I see here and there on different forums about the term NTR where the original definition seems to have been lost in a sea of personal interpretations. The same goes for the term harem, apparently. I have yet to be convinced that this series could even vaguely be considered a harem.

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I believe Hikari is also KINDA into him. Maybe not as much as the other two.

She has not shown any romantic interested in him. You can be "into" someone without being "in love" with them. She may "love" Iron Man-sensei because he's a great guy, because he actually cares, because he actually listens to what she says, but that does not mean that she is "in love" with him. I "love" dark chocolate, but it's doesn't mean I want to marry it.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-02-01, 18:31

Generally I find that things like "harems" get in the way of real romance. I'd prefer to read a well written OTP style romance to a harem any day. Generally I consider "harems" to be a negative aspect of a story but if the rest is good then it's fine.

I never once considered this series to be a "harem". Never got that vibe from it.

Dawnstorm · 2017-02-01, 18:41

I don't think "Gan_Hope326" description of Demi-chan as a "slice of life with some harem-ish overtones" is unreasonable. I'd say it's generally a moe-show with a caretaker, like Ichigo Marshmallow or, perhaps more pertinent, Hanamaru Youchien. It's the characters' age that pushes Demi-chan more into the harem corner. Demi-chan is at the very least harem-like, but it's definitely not a full-blown harem. There's no other genre that demands a single male figure in the midst of girls. And this is not a choice you make accidently, even though it might be a choice you make unconsciously. It might even be a choice that the marketing department suggests to you.

One thing: most harem shows cater to the shounen demographic, I think. Demi-chan is seinen to the core. That's the difference between raging teenage hormones being an actuality vs. a not-too-distant memory.

How much any of this matters depends entirely on the person who watches the show. Demi-chan was easily my second favourite show this season after episode 1 (nothing touches Rakugo). It's now competing with Acca and Scum's Wish, which is still pretty good in my book. There's no way I'm even near dropping this show. I'm quite actively looking forward to it each week.

For what it's worth: the crushing didn't bother me at all in epiosde 2; in episode 3, I'd have wished they'd have given Satou sensei a bit more affect control; in episode 4 nothing new happened, but the cumulative effect of all that crushing wore me down. It's not the content; it's the tone, and what the show thinks I'd find cute or funny, when in reality I could do without it. Note that I'm not actually suggesting to take the crushing out; it is a fairly important element of the story, and something you need to address. It's really just a tonal dissonance; it's very light and easy to ignore, but at times it comes out stronger, and sometimes it accumulates into an irritant. If you don't feel it, you're lucky.

That said, the show is still warm-hearted in both content and style. It's pretty convincing in how different personalities deal with different problems. I love the character desing, and I love the colour scheme. And the soundtrack's good, too. It's a really cute, warm show and I enjoy it lots. Easily one of my favourites this season.

FredFriendly · 2017-02-01, 20:23

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...There's no other genre that demands a single male figure in the midst of girls...

So, you're saying because this show has a single male figure in the midst of females, it must be a harem?

Ridiculous. It doesn't even qualify as a "love triangle." Time to stop thinking in pre-programmed, stereotypical terms.

AB079 · 2017-02-01, 21:56

Leaving aside the pointless moaning of people who can't have fun.

Is this image the best description what's happening?

Spoiler for ???:

npal · 2017-02-02, 06:29

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Originally Posted by AB079

Leaving aside the pointless moaning of people who can't have fun.

Is this image the best description what's happening?

Spoiler for ???:

Not 100% accurate. Where are dem ARMS?!

Liddo-kun · 2017-02-02, 06:56

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Originally Posted by Marina

I find it really interesting that the harem set up resonates so much with you, particularly since you name those two other shows where harem themes are prominent and inseparable from their stories.

Demi-chan features a bit of attraction between the characters, but it in no way overshadows the more present social issues. Episode four in particular was a great discussion on diversity appreciation.

Hmm, just to clarify I don't dislike harem anime.. back in 2014.. Date A Live was all the rage in our cosplay group - even the girls watched and enjoyed it. My friend Marie's teddy bear is even named Shidou!

We pooled our resources and effort together so that Marie can cosplay as Miku.. I went 5 a.m in the morning to pick up the costume from our tailor's house. Perhaps what bothers me is the characters in Demi-chan.. I'm perfectly fine with Shidou from Date A Live anime having a bunch of spirit girls liking him, but somehow something feels wrong with a teacher having a harem of adolescent age students.

Anyway, sorry for provoking hostility from fans of this show - it was unintentional.

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Newprimus NO ESCAPE FROM NYAAA Artist Join Date: Jan 2004	Spoiler for regarding people dropping this show over harem aspects (doesn't spoil story): People who are dropping this show because of harem aspects do not actually understand why harem shows often suck. Dropping this show just because more than one female character has a romantic interest in the main male character is pathetically shallow. It's not just the multiple romantic interests or the clueless male protagonist. It's the INDECISIVE male protagonist. Who is also intentionally bland AF so that he can be a substitute for the male audience. The arbitrary reasons why the girls fall in love with the male MC, such as he saved her from bullies or from a tree or something, which results in a shallow crush that is based on a single event, regardless of the hero's character, which the story tries to pass off as deep and meaningful. It's the forced situations for fanservice that do not advance plot or reveal more about the characters. The repeated teasing of actual plot and romantic development only to be cockblocked by some arbitrarily random interruption. The plot device object from childhood, like a diary or a locket, that if the characters just opened or examined would solve all their confusions about who's the real childhood promise partner, etc and yet they NEVER think about doing this one simple act because doing so would erase 99% of the manga/anime's content. The arbitrary and utterly rage-inducing plot events or character turns forced by the author in order to keep the best girl from winning too much and keep the playing field level for all heroines in order to milk the story.... not to mention the best girl NEVER WINS. Also no one ever TALKS FIRST with one another. They always have to misunderstand and misjudge, and no one ever thinks to just ask what's really going on. There always has to be a long chapter or even arc all based on some silly misunderstanding that could've been resolved with a simple conversation. How many of these does demi-chan have? Multiple romantic interests, and maybe romantic crushes borne from singular events. The rest don't really apply. I think by only focusing on the multiple partners aspect of the harem trope show, people are over-simplifying it and at the same time doing injustice by slapping that convenient and simplified label on anything that seems remotely harem-y. __________________ NYAA-CEPTION

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Itlandm Porcupine Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Age: 65	I guess Succubus-sensei still believes Tetsuo is immune to her power, or close enough that she only has the impact on him that an ordinary woman would have on an average man. Yeah, that hug would have gone down in infamy, I'm afraid. A little weird how the girls treat Machi's body as a separate person to be hugged. It was not like they told him to hold their heads, after all.

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kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Thinking about it, it's pretty amazing that Succubus-sensei got a job working with children at all. I guess the laws that prevent discrimination against Demis would cover this sort of thing. I'm not sure if this particular school is particularly progressive or Demis are just that well accepted within the setting.

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kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Generally I find that things like "harems" get in the way of real romance. I'd prefer to read a well written OTP style romance to a harem any day. Generally I consider "harems" to be a negative aspect of a story but if the rest is good then it's fine. I never once considered this series to be a "harem". Never got that vibe from it.

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Dawnstorm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria	I don't think "Gan_Hope326" description of Demi-chan as a "slice of life with some harem-ish overtones" is unreasonable. I'd say it's generally a moe-show with a caretaker, like Ichigo Marshmallow or, perhaps more pertinent, Hanamaru Youchien. It's the characters' age that pushes Demi-chan more into the harem corner. Demi-chan is at the very least harem-like, but it's definitely not a full-blown harem. There's no other genre that demands a single male figure in the midst of girls. And this is not a choice you make accidently, even though it might be a choice you make unconsciously. It might even be a choice that the marketing department suggests to you. One thing: most harem shows cater to the shounen demographic, I think. Demi-chan is seinen to the core. That's the difference between raging teenage hormones being an actuality vs. a not-too-distant memory. How much any of this matters depends entirely on the person who watches the show. Demi-chan was easily my second favourite show this season after episode 1 (nothing touches Rakugo). It's now competing with Acca and Scum's Wish, which is still pretty good in my book. There's no way I'm even near dropping this show. I'm quite actively looking forward to it each week. For what it's worth: the crushing didn't bother me at all in epiosde 2; in episode 3, I'd have wished they'd have given Satou sensei a bit more affect control; in episode 4 nothing new happened, but the cumulative effect of all that crushing wore me down. It's not the content; it's the tone, and what the show thinks I'd find cute or funny, when in reality I could do without it. Note that I'm not actually suggesting to take the crushing out; it is a fairly important element of the story, and something you need to address. It's really just a tonal dissonance; it's very light and easy to ignore, but at times it comes out stronger, and sometimes it accumulates into an irritant. If you don't feel it, you're lucky. That said, the show is still warm-hearted in both content and style. It's pretty convincing in how different personalities deal with different problems. I love the character desing, and I love the colour scheme. And the soundtrack's good, too. It's a really cute, warm show and I enjoy it lots. Easily one of my favourites this season.

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