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DragonOsman · 2017-10-02, 17:43

Yeah, I agree with Tachibana. Underestimating him would be bad, but from the looks of it right now, he really doesn't seem to know what he can really do with Freezing. And I also agree about Arcadia. Her being there is really good. I hope she'll hurry and come help Kazuya out, from wherever she is in that world (relative to where Kazuya is).

Alhazad2003 · 2017-10-03, 19:42

Hrm, I'm still not convinced. I'm more thinking Ibaniel is what Kazuya will become if the power goes to his head. That's why he's there, to show Kazuya the "dark side" of Freezing. Though either way, it's about bending girls to his will, one reason he loathes it. If only he could grant his friends power without overriding their free will, then there's be nothing to worry about. Alas, he must use it cautiously, lest it consume him as it has Darth Gengo, and he become the next prophet of the Transcendent Will.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-04, 04:31

^I think you're right about that, actually. But I don't think there's a way to use that power without bending girls to his will, even a bit. So yeah, he'll have to use it cautiously while loathing it.

RedBlueBlack · 2017-10-04, 11:09

I hope Darth Gengo gives a monologue soon on what those supposed Goddesses are and where they came from.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-04, 17:38

Touche on that. That monologue would be very welcome, even though I really don't like seeing that guy talk.

Alhazad2003 · 2017-10-07, 13:22

Oh I don't doubt he has something like that planned before the big battle, and that Kazuya should join him so they can "rule Elca together," or something to that effect. Am I the only one getting Star Wars vibes from this whole part of the story? I feel like this is a Jedi vs Sith battle, with the fate of two worlds in the balance. Looking forward to the grand finale later. Until then...

DragonOsman · 2017-10-08, 06:12

^That's a good comparison, actually. I just hope Kazuya doesn't fall to the Dark Side like Anakin did. It'd be good if he turned out like Luke instead, in that regard (sans the need of a prosthetic arm).

Tachibana · 2017-10-08, 11:16

Lol, Kazuya isn't going to go all evil and control women.

Besides, Ibanyle's desire to have Kazuya join him is typical when it comes to villains like him in his position. Removing an enemy in order to make he/she a powerful ally is something villains like to do and of course refusing means death. So this isn't really surprising.

And also, it's not Ibanyle that I'm really worried about here. It's those demon looking women he proclaims as goddesses.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-08, 17:24

Those demon-looking women do look a lot like impure vessels/Nova. Yeah, they're way more troublesome than Ibaniel.

Alhazad2003 · 2017-10-10, 21:46

If they're gonna be fighting directly in this upcoming battle, then that'll give Darth Gengo a big advantage. So the heroines of Eluka will have more than their work cut out for them. Kazuya will be needed more than ever for this fight, as will Arcadia I'm sure. Hopefully she doesn't fall under Darth Gengo's control, or it'll really suck for the heroes. We should find out before too long, when Chapter 213 finally comes out. Until then...

DragonOsman · 2017-10-11, 04:32

Ah, yeah, that's right. Arcadia's also a woman, so she might fall under Ibaniel's control. Man, I really hope it doesn't happen.

Culaio · 2017-10-11, 08:17

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Ah, yeah, that's right. Arcadia's also a woman, so she might fall under Ibaniel's control. Man, I really hope it doesn't happen.

I dont think this will happen, when she first showed up it was shown that her presence has even stronger effect on people then kazuya's, this doesnt actually confirm anything since abilities of male's and female's with stigmata in their bodies work differently but I find it unlikely to happen, I dont think that he will be able to dominate her will seeing how strong is her presence.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-11, 09:52

Kazuha also couldn't use Freezing, so yeah, it's different between males and females. But I do hope you're right about her will and presence being too strong to be taken over by Ibaniel's Freezing.

Tachibana · 2017-10-11, 16:03

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Kazuha also couldn't use Freezing, so yeah, it's different between males and females. But I do hope you're right about her will and presence being too strong to be taken over by Ibaniel's Freezing.

Arcadia is a different being entirely from any other woman or man. There's only one man that Arcadia will listen to and that's her onii-chan.

Let's not forget that Ibaniel's true target is AU Satellizer.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-11, 16:09

Isn't she a Stigmata Body possessor just like Kazuya and Kazuha? She's different because of who her mother is. But the rest of her genes are the same as Kazuya and Kazuha.

And yeah, it does seem like his true target is Elca's Satellizer. But does that really mean he won't go after any other woman?

Culaio · 2017-10-11, 16:55

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Isn't she a Stigmata Body possessor just like Kazuya and Kazuha? She's different because of who her mother is. But the rest of her genes are the same as Kazuya and Kazuha.

And yeah, it does seem like his true target is Elca's Satellizer. But does that really mean he won't go after any other woman?

He is right about Arcadia being special since if you think about it stigmata-wise she should be inferior to legendary pandora since their bodies are made from more of stagmatic tissue(80%), arcadia parents were legendary pandora and Ryuuichi Aoi who who should be half human half nova(his stigmatic body should be around 50%) so arcadia should be somewhere in the middle between them percentage-wise which means inferior to legendary pandora and yet gengo hinted she is more special then legendary pandora and we saw its true seeing how she dominated legendary pandora.

Tachibana · 2017-10-11, 21:59

There's really no difference in both Arcadia and Kazuya's biology. They both inherited their fathers stigmatic tissue. Even if Kazuya's mother was human, he was incubated in the body of Cassandra, his aunt. Cassandra is an LP who has a stigma makeup of 80%, this in turn gave Kazuya's stigma body the perfect environment to properly gestate and grow. Not only that but his stigmatic tissue has been spreading throughout his entire body, making his body more stigmatic than human.

amtro · 2017-10-12, 01:10

Kazuya is approximately 30% stigma at the start of the Manga. He is still mostly human.
Arcadia on the other hand was reared as a weapon and has Cassandra's genes.
Her stigma body is therefore much stronger. However male and female novatypes have different abilities and specialties. The two cannot be compared.

DragonOsman · 2017-10-12, 01:42

So Arcadia has more than Kazuya. And yeah, it's true that male and female Nova-types are different. One can use Freezing and the other can't, for example. The main thing is that they don't need to perform Baptism since they already have stigmatic tissue.

Culaio · 2017-10-12, 06:34

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Originally Posted by amtro

Kazuya is approximately 30% stigma at the start of the Manga. He is still mostly human.
Arcadia on the other hand was reared as a weapon and has Cassandra's genes.
Her stigma body is therefore much stronger. However male and female novatypes have different abilities and specialties. The two cannot be compared.

^THIS

but I want to add that in chapter 13 it was also said that more stigmata is being created inside of Kazuya's body, dunno if that means that his % will increase with time or what.

Also regardless of the fact that Kazuya's body has much less stigmata then legendary pandora he still has power to affect him with freezing so there must be more to stigmata
then havinging more % of sitigmatic tissue then someone being equal to having more power then that person.

2017-10-02, 17:43	Link #4181
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yeah, I agree with Tachibana. Underestimating him would be bad, but from the looks of it right now, he really doesn't seem to know what he can really do with Freezing. And I also agree about Arcadia. Her being there is really good. I hope she'll hurry and come help Kazuya out, from wherever she is in that world (relative to where Kazuya is). __________________

2017-10-04, 04:31	Link #4183
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	^I think you're right about that, actually. But I don't think there's a way to use that power without bending girls to his will, even a bit. So yeah, he'll have to use it cautiously while loathing it. __________________

2017-10-04, 17:38	Link #4185
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Touche on that. That monologue would be very welcome, even though I really don't like seeing that guy talk. __________________

2017-10-07, 13:22	Link #4186
Alhazad2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	Oh I don't doubt he has something like that planned before the big battle, and that Kazuya should join him so they can "rule Elca together," or something to that effect. Am I the only one getting Star Wars vibes from this whole part of the story? I feel like this is a Jedi vs Sith battle, with the fate of two worlds in the balance. Looking forward to the grand finale later. Until then... Last edited by Alhazad2003; 2017-10-08 at 01:24.

2017-10-08, 06:12	Link #4187
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	^That's a good comparison, actually. I just hope Kazuya doesn't fall to the Dark Side like Anakin did. It'd be good if he turned out like Luke instead, in that regard (sans the need of a prosthetic arm). __________________

2017-10-03, 19:42	Link #4182
Alhazad2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	Hrm, I'm still not convinced. I'm more thinking Ibaniel is what Kazuya will become if the power goes to his head. That's why he's there, to show Kazuya the "dark side" of Freezing. Though either way, it's about bending girls to his will, one reason he loathes it. If only he could grant his friends power without overriding their free will, then there's be nothing to worry about. Alas, he must use it cautiously, lest it consume him as it has Darth Gengo, and he become the next prophet of the Transcendent Will.

2017-10-04, 11:09	Link #4184
RedBlueBlack Member Join Date: Sep 2016	I hope Darth Gengo gives a monologue soon on what those supposed Goddesses are and where they came from.

2017-10-08, 11:16	Link #4188
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	Lol, Kazuya isn't going to go all evil and control women. Besides, Ibanyle's desire to have Kazuya join him is typical when it comes to villains like him in his position. Removing an enemy in order to make he/she a powerful ally is something villains like to do and of course refusing means death. So this isn't really surprising. And also, it's not Ibanyle that I'm really worried about here. It's those demon looking women he proclaims as goddesses. __________________ Last edited by Tachibana; 2017-10-08 at 11:27.

2017-10-08, 17:24	Link #4189
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Those demon-looking women do look a lot like impure vessels/Nova. Yeah, they're way more troublesome than Ibaniel. __________________

2017-10-10, 21:46	Link #4190
Alhazad2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	If they're gonna be fighting directly in this upcoming battle, then that'll give Darth Gengo a big advantage. So the heroines of Eluka will have more than their work cut out for them. Kazuya will be needed more than ever for this fight, as will Arcadia I'm sure. Hopefully she doesn't fall under Darth Gengo's control, or it'll really suck for the heroes. We should find out before too long, when Chapter 213 finally comes out. Until then...

2017-10-11, 04:32	Link #4191
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Ah, yeah, that's right. Arcadia's also a woman, so she might fall under Ibaniel's control. Man, I really hope it doesn't happen. __________________

2017-10-11, 09:52	Link #4193
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Kazuha also couldn't use Freezing, so yeah, it's different between males and females. But I do hope you're right about her will and presence being too strong to be taken over by Ibaniel's Freezing. __________________

2017-10-11, 16:09	Link #4195
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Isn't she a Stigmata Body possessor just like Kazuya and Kazuha? She's different because of who her mother is. But the rest of her genes are the same as Kazuya and Kazuha. And yeah, it does seem like his true target is Elca's Satellizer. But does that really mean he won't go after any other woman? __________________

2017-10-11, 21:59	Link #4197
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	There's really no difference in both Arcadia and Kazuya's biology. They both inherited their fathers stigmatic tissue. Even if Kazuya's mother was human, he was incubated in the body of Cassandra, his aunt. Cassandra is an LP who has a stigma makeup of 80%, this in turn gave Kazuya's stigma body the perfect environment to properly gestate and grow. Not only that but his stigmatic tissue has been spreading throughout his entire body, making his body more stigmatic than human. __________________

2017-10-12, 01:10	Link #4198
amtro Distro Join Date: Jun 2009	Kazuya is approximately 30% stigma at the start of the Manga. He is still mostly human. Arcadia on the other hand was reared as a weapon and has Cassandra's genes. Her stigma body is therefore much stronger. However male and female novatypes have different abilities and specialties. The two cannot be compared. __________________ OniisamaTL is currently looking for translation checkers.

2017-10-12, 01:42	Link #4199
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	So Arcadia has more than Kazuya. And yeah, it's true that male and female Nova-types are different. One can use Freezing and the other can't, for example. The main thing is that they don't need to perform Baptism since they already have stigmatic tissue. __________________