(L+CR) Subete ga F ni Naru (Everything Becomes F)

[karice67]

Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

Hm... That's the first time I hear about that. Could it be that you're mistaking her with Yuko Minaguchi?

Hmm...I might have mixed my seiyuu up. Not Minaguchi, though, but the other Kaida (Yuki - though I do remember her pronunciation being about the same as Yuko's here). Sorry I usually check a bit more carefully than that...

p.s. @Kanon
I have met a lot of Japanese people who still speak English like that despite having spent two or more years studying in an English speaking country, and actually being able to communicate relatively easily in the language. There are lots of different factors in this, ranging from Japanese having a much more limited set of speech sounds than English, and the terrible practice in Japan of using Japanese sounds to approximate foreign words. Mostly importantly, however, they wouldn't have the chance to use English much in Japan.

[Kaoru Chujo]

I'm just catching up after an absence, but this and Owarimonogatari are really the only two shows to hold my attention this season.

The English part did seem excessive, for exactly the reason people have pointed out: the English is fairly well pronounced, but the acting is totally stilted in the "foreign" language. I hope it's more effective for Japanese speakers. I guess the Japanese version has subs in Japanese?

Spoiler for speculation:

I'm thinking that Shiki found a way to transfer herself into "Michiru," and the housekeeping robot carved up the human body. The "younger sister" doesn't really look that much like Shiki, does she? But any sort of switch is possible.

I find Moe well portrayed and interesting to identify with. Nice work by Tanezaki Atsumi. And marvelous work by young Kido Ibuki as Shiki. How she do that?

The animation continues to be terribly ugly, but somehow effective.

[Stark700]

Episode 8:

Well that was kinda interesting, the talk about the virus and trojan horse stuff.

Moe and Sohei seems to be getting a lot better as usual again.

The mystery of "Everything becomes F" imo is still one of the biggest mystery of this show and that figuring it out will be imperative to solving the Makata Shiki case. Seems there's some correlations with Makata's multiple personalities as well. The whole ostrich imagery was weird as hell but I really liked the way the music was coordinated this episode.

[Jaden]

What was surprising to me was that Shiki actually did time in some kind of youth detention facility or mental hospital, and we got confirmation that she used to live in the room on her own volition.

Initially I imagined that she was never there, but was just lending herself as an asset for the lab in exchange for getting to live freely on the outside. But now it looks more like she launched an insurrection from within, trying to create some kind of digitized super-consciousness and the murder was just to isolate the place so nobody could get in the way.

Has she uploaded herself into a computer to cheat death after all? But computers don't use knives. The sister must at least be an accomplice if not a masquerading Shiki.

Either way, police are coming to take over and time is running out. If there's a big twist, next episode would be the time.

[Beobachter]

I got a hunch that the stuff about consciousness transfer, multiple personalities, and the other mumbo jumbo about Shiki are just a bunch of red herrings and the solution is actually a relatively normal one.

But I dunno, the show doesn't really bother fleshing out the suspects and it also bypass the routine procedural stuff like tracing the people's alibi and movement (which struck me as strange, especially in the case of the director's murder). It's really more like a psychological drama with fantastical elements than archetypal locked room murder mystery.

[GMT]

Originally Posted by Jaden

What was surprising to me was that Shiki actually did time in some kind of youth detention facility or mental hospital, and we got confirmation that she used to live in the room on her own volition.

Initially I imagined that she was never there, but was just lending herself as an asset for the lab in exchange for getting to live freely on the outside. But now it looks more like she launched an insurrection from within, trying to create some kind of digitized super-consciousness and the murder was just to isolate the place so nobody could get in the way.

Has she uploaded herself into a computer to cheat death after all? But computers don't use knives. The sister must at least be an accomplice if not a masquerading Shiki.

Either way, police are coming to take over and time is running out. If there's a big twist, next episode would be the time.

The setting of this show is completely wrong for Shiki Magata "uploading" herself to be more than a red herring. The show clearly takes place sometime within the last twenty years. I mean, we have the storage capacity to store all possible connections inside a human brain (the number works out to be on the order of 5000 terabytes,) and if you somehow dedicated 100% of the bandwidth of the entire internet to uploading a human mind, it would only take eleven hours to complete. This ignores the small problem of converting a functioning human brain into 5000 terabytes of digital information in the first place.

So the solution to this mystery is probably going to be very mundane. Shiki didn't chop her own limbs off and stuff them into the incinerator. Her robot was also too weak to do the job (recall that Saikawa restrained it with one hand, in order to examine its manipulator arm.)

So we're left with people who have facility access, and the expertise required to load a trojan horse into Red Magic. Whoever it was also had to know details about Shiki's multiple-personality disorder. This implies someone who's been at the facility a long time, and who's had access to Shiki's security tapes. The murderer also knows that Saikawa and Moe are at the facility (the VR thing is a misdirection on the killer's part ... the "Michiru" in Moe's VR experience doesn't really say anything that Moe didn't remember Shiki saying when they met. It was probably a glorified chatbot triggered by an automated script that was probably designed to run if Moe connected to the VR system.)

Incidentally, this means that the killer would have good reason to nuke Red Magic, since the facility's systems will be full of traces that a good data forensics expert can extract. This makes Yamane's decision to nuke Red Magic and reload the systems with a vanilla *NIX install especially suspicious ... it would only speed the arrival of the authorities by a few hours (since a ship is already inbound,) but could potentially destroy a lot of digital evidence.

[Kanon]

The voice of the present Shiki heard at the end of the episode sounded a lot like Miki's voice. I'm not 100% sure though.

I have no idea what to make of the ostrich imagery during Saikawa's trippy reflection. Nothing I know about them seem to relate to the mystery at hand.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The voice of the present Shiki heard at the end of the episode sounded a lot like Miki's voice. I'm not 100% sure though.

I thought that it was very obvious that the voice at the end sounded like "Yuuko Kaida", because at that point the reader probably would have found out what Saikawa found out

[Dawnstorm]

Something just struck me after this episode: If you want to move on from "15" you end up at "16", right? "16" is "F" in the hexadecimal notation...

I'm not sure if that's a coincidence, or what to make of it if it isn't. But it would suggest that there's been plan running for 15 years now with a deadline. Or maybe it wouldn't.

[~Yami~]

just right when they wanted to reveal the culprit's scheme, Moe suddenly said that she wanted to find it out by herself... oh man

I hope the stuff with the police won't take too long since the investigation seems need more time

the flashback already wrapped up as well

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Dawnstorm

Something just struck me after this episode: If you want to move on from "15" you end up at "16", right? "16" is "F" in the hexadecimal notation...

No, F is fifteen in hexadecimal. Sixteen would be written as 10.

[Dawnstorm]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

No, F is fifteen in hexadecimal. Sixteen would be written as 10.

Oops, sorry, yes. It starts with 0. (I wouldn't have made that mistake with binary. Or decimal, come to think of it. Huh.)

[Stark700]

Episode 9:

The locked room case about Makata Shiki and the killer reached an interesting point this episode. Loved the way Moe and Sohei managed to use facts about the gap in time from the files. I didn't think it was that complicated as the killer apparently took advantage of the overwritten time even if it's just a minute.

Quite a bit of buildup and suspense this episode but one of the thrilling ones imo with calculation. This one also felt like it went pretty fast too.

Oh yeah, I noticed some of Noitamina's TV shows on the wall lol...

[j4c06]

This was a good episode. As far as pace/direction, I'd say on par with the first ep and above the rest.

Couldn't the genius programmer find a way to fix the timestamp though?

[Haak]

Episode 9

Oh man, that's all kinds of messed up. Pregnant from an incestuous relationship then kills her own daughter (in gruesome fashion) who lived her whole life in imprisonment for 15 years.

Also, shameless product placement is shameless.

[Jaden]

That was actually really good! The clues were all there, but I was tricked on the important points and everything I thought was turned on its head.

First, the pregnancy. I didn't think anything of the scene with Shiki's father. "Ah, he's just enraged because he found out about the relationship." But I never considered why Shiki and the director had to reveal it in the first place. If she was pregnant, then it kinda makes sense that they would have to.

And about the time trick. It's right under everyone's nose in episode 6 when Moe reviews the security footage. The elevator moves instantly from the basement to the roof, and that's impossible unless there's footage missing in between. However, the astute watcher like myself would already have noticed the movement of the elevator from the scraps of security footage in episodes 3 and 4. So in episode 6 I was like "yes yes, I noticed this ages ago" and turned my brain off, completely oblivious that there was a new clue in seeing the entire recording without interruptions.

[Gohan78]

I don't get the timestamp trick. How can the system reset made at 11 trigger an overwrite of the 12:00 footage?
I also find highly implausible that nobody ever noticed the presence of a little girl for 15 years. Did she never cry?

[Kanon]

Moe is a genius at math, but she isn't very good at deductive reasoning. She hasn't even figured out it was the daughter (Michiru was her name, I guess) that was killed and not Shiki despite the hints Saikawa laid out for her.

We know the whodunnit and howdunnit, but the whydunnit is still a completely mystery. I can't imagine why Shiki would want to kill her own daughter and the uncle she loved so much she killed her parents. The only thing I know for sure is that she is messed up.

Originally Posted by Gohan78

I don't get the timestamp trick. How can the system reset made at 11 trigger an overwrite of the 12:00 footage?
I also find highly implausible that nobody ever noticed the presence of a little girl for 15 years. Did she never cry?

I think they made a mistake here. The reset at 11 should have created a missing file at 11 when the system readjusted the clock (moved it forward by one minute), not at 12. Ultimately, it doesn't change anything to Shiki's trick. At 12:01 on the day of her escape, she changed the system's time to 12:00, meaning this minute was recorded again and overwrote the old file showing her escape. That part makes perfect sense. It's a very simple yet effective trick, and there were clues left behind for the viewers in the footage.

The daughter thing, on the other hand, is a lot harder to buy. Shiki's room is most likely completely soundproof, but you're telling me a 15 years old girl managed to deliver a baby all by herself and take care of it without problems in the following days? There's also the issue of needing supplies and food for two, but I guess the director could have covered that up. I'll wait and see how they justify it before calling this twist implausible.

[sikvod00]

Wait, was the system reset at 11? When Moe was asked what happened at 11, she said the outage occurred due to the system going offline. So then maybe the time it was actually reset at 12? I'd check the previous episode, but I'm at work. :/

[Kamieichi]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Ultimately, it doesn't change anything to Shiki's trick. At 12:01 on the day of her escape, she changed the system's time to 12:00, meaning this minute was recorded again and overwrote the old file showing her escape. That part makes perfect sense. It's a very simple yet effective trick, and there were clues left behind for the viewers in the footage.

First, her escape (Red Magic's "intentional" system error, 1 min delay) was not at 12:00. It was at 7:00 PM. Rewatching the EP2 will make it clear, I think.

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(The sub says it's 7:00 AM, but it's a mistake, btw. The correct translation is 7:00 PM.)

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(The anime team used this image as an example of overwriting trick. I think that's why the confusion was made.)

Originally Posted by Kanon

I think they made a mistake here. The reset at 11 should have created a missing file at 11 when the system readjusted the clock (moved it forward by one minute), not at 12.

Second, there is no mistake. The time adjustment was not made by the reset. It was just scheduled at 12:00 (as an everyday routine, I think). Because of the reset and the recovery of Red Magic at 11:00, the lab's network started working again. That's why the automatic time adjustment worked normally for the first time since the system error and which made the lack of the 12:00 video file.