2013-06-01, 08:11 | Link #82 | |
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Re the Biblia dicussion, from where I'm reading Oricon do count it as an LN series, what they don't count is the Monogatari series.
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*1 118,015 118,015 2013/05/20 Koyomimonogatari 14 *14,902 146,213 2013/05/10 Toaru Majutsu no Index New Testament vol. 7 118k Vs 91k for opening week. Bur I see the sales for 2012 on page 2 already covered which was selling better as of now anyway. |
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2013-06-01, 08:25 | Link #84 | |
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And all Japanese companies used shipped numbers since sold to supplier = sold to them, but it doesn't mean sold to consumer. See manga circulation numbers, something like Assassination Classroom should be selling a million copies per volume but Oricon shows that vol 4 is going to finish around 650k at its current rate. Don't you remember the Hidan no Aria website saying crap like 2 million sold when the anime started and Oricon had volume 1 at like 90k.... |
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All I said was that it "make up for that by selling more than double the total sales". I never said anything about which is better or worse. In fact, the original topic you raised was who made the more money. Quote:
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Otherwise, I'll be happy if you could provide a more accurate figure for the sales of both series.
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It's a wash, lets go to the anime for the tiebreaker than, oh wait lol nevermind. Edit Quote:
11, 265,953 Monogatari Series: Second Season Koimonogatari 13, 256,812 Toaru Majutsu no Index: New Testament vol.3 *1 118,015 118,015 2013/05/20 Koyomimonogatari 14 *14,902 146,213 2013/05/10 Toaru Majutsu no Index New Testament vol. 7 Oricon duh. |
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You should probably ignore Oricon for the rest of the year because one series is only going to get stronger while the other one tries to maintain a level that's far below what it established earlier. |
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Your entire agenda is to push the notion that the monogatari books makes more money than Index. But you seem hellbent on ignoring the fact that when it comes to sales, quantity is just as important a factor as price. Also, I don't follow the Monogatari series and I have no idea why you're confident enough to make an arrogant declaration like that, but if this is some kind of flamebait tactic I would advice you to stop while you're still ahead.
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2013-06-01, 09:55 | Link #90 | |
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2013-06-01, 11:53 | Link #92 | |
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What we're comparing here is, which series generate more sales so let's do an approximation calculation(we're only talking about sales mind you, not profit, since we have to talk about cost when we're talking profit). Monogatari series has 13 book currently total while Index has 28 books(for argument sake, let's not include the 2 SS volumes), that means Index has modifier of 28/13 = 2.15 here. Now for price, I'm taking one title each, Koyomimonogatari is priced 1600 yen in Kinokuniya book store, while NT Index 7 is priced 670 Yen in Kinokuniya so, the price multiplier is 670/1600 = 0.42. Since Total Sales = Price x total books x number of book sold, let's multiply the multiplier to see the average number of sales multiplier. So by this calculation, to make the total sales in yen the same for both monogatari series and Index, Monogatari series only need to sell 2.15x0.42 times than index book per volume, which amounts to 0.9 times index series per volume sales. Sorry Chaos, I have to agree with Westlo on this one that Monogatari series generate more sales revenue than Index(again, not profit, since we haven't calculate the cost, although usually more volume mean more cost from printing and advertising so if I have to take a bet, I'll bet that Monogatari series has less cost in total), because I don't think Monogatari series on average sold less than 0.9 times of Index series. The price of each book is the killer here. Monogatari on average sold between 1300 yen - 1600 yen, which is more than twice(sometimes even thrice) than Index book price. Index is by no means no slouch though. Having stable 130k-150k sales per book is quite an achievement for a series that's aimed only for a particular demographic. tl;dr : based on approximation calculation, it seems Monogatari series generate more total sales revenue than Index series. Biblia is still the best though, 4 million sales in 4 volume :hoho: |
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2013-06-01, 16:53 | Link #93 | |
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2013-06-01, 18:04 | Link #94 | |
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Also I find it humorous you're comparing amount made based off of Oricon estimates from ~1400 bookstores instead of the publisher numbers. If I cared about how the publishers are actually making money from a title, I'd go with the amount they get paid for (amount shipped) rather than the amount the customers pay for (amount estimated from Oricon). In reality, the numbers reported from the publisher are the amount in print, not the amount sold to distributors. They'll never perfectly match the Oricon "estimates" even if Oricon was 100% accurate.
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2013-06-01, 21:08 | Link #95 | |
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And yes, I can't wait to see the movie when it comes out as well. Also, the thing about Railgun D (I made up the name Railgun D) is that it will animate some more of the level 5's. I'm saying it's probably going to be called that lol. I didn't mean to make it sound like it was exactly official yet. In an interview they said they were planning ahead with Misaki for when they would animate her later. Since Spoiler:
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2013-06-02, 05:55 | Link #96 | |
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Chaos should know more about this than me since I don't care that much about sales except that my favourite series get enough sales so the publisher won't cut the series Beside, the light novel category itself is pretty sketchy(as in it's still not clear which series is considered light novel). |
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2013-06-02, 11:12 | Link #98 |
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I doubt Winter...earliest would be next Spring or maybe they'll wait until Fall 2014.
Anyway, as for novel sales, I'm really pleased with how it's doing even though an Index anime isn't airing right now. We've seen with Oreimo, Shana, ZnT, and other series that sales tank hard after the anime has been off for a while. Even though Index sales have slowed from what they were last year/2011 with books selling in the mid-high 200k range it's still awesome to see that the fanbase is so strong it can retain 150k on Oricon without an anime running.
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I wouldn't expect Index III until next spring at the earliest. Putting it in Autumn would be five straight cours of the franchise, enough to reduce sales. Winter is unlikely since it's a notable franchise and those typically air in Spring/Autumn seasons. Quote:
Index anime starts: 2008/08 | *320万部 | 17巻 | 18.8万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 2008/11 | *440万部 | 18巻 | 24.4万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 Index anime ends: 2009/03 | *467万部 | 18巻 | 25.9万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 2009/07 | *520万部 | 19巻 | 27.4万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 Railgun anime starts: 2009/11 | *750万部 | 22巻 | 34.1万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 Railgun anime ends: 2010/05 | *770万部 | 22巻 | 35.0万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 2010/08 | 1000万部 | 23巻 | 39.1万部/巻 | とある魔術の禁書目録 Index II starts... This time, there's no big increase in pressings with a currently airing anime and a just-released movie. LN sales appear to have saturated at their current level of 150k.
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