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2012-06-21, 14:18 | Link #29242 | |
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Also pretty much Ep 6 is what really solidifies George Culprit Theory in my mind. He craves attention, he craves love, he is a lonely sad person. In fact going back and reading Ep 6 "The Lovers" though it is supposed to be a cute scene when you realize there ages it is mildly creepy. Such as when George talks about how envious he was of Battler and Jessica he says to Shannon "I just assumed that you liked me, and even had some childish fantasy that we might end up dating. I one-sidely felt as though my girlfriend had been stolen from me and I let myself feel hurt." Now I will again remind you that to George's knowledge Shannon was 10 and he was 17. So now let me re-go over this. George is a person who looks down on himself, he is very jealous of Battler, Shannon is the first and only girl he has ever been close too, and she was taken away by Battler. This seems like a huge combination that will spell out tragedy. And here is yet another reason George would pull off the Epitaph murders and that is the lines of the epitaph themselves One shall be, all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be, the resurrection of the souls of all the dead. One shall be, even the resurrection of the lost love. Although the main focus is the third prize. George may have in his grief wandering the mansion and came upon the epitaph where he read this line.
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2012-06-21, 20:46 | Link #29243 | ||
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It's just as ridiculous as Yasu murder-ritual-for-Battler culprit theory, and for the exact same reasons. Except it's still inferior since YMRFBCT, as dumb as it is, at least has a shit-ton more evidence. Quote:
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2012-06-21, 23:12 | Link #29244 | |
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Maybe a trick where the first round or two in a gun is 'live' and the rest are blanks? Ah, it's a bit harder than I thought it was... |
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2012-06-22, 04:43 | Link #29245 | ||
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Also I had never done the math to work out how creepy George's love of young Shannon was.... |
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2012-06-22, 04:45 | Link #29246 | |
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Then again, Ryu's characters are mostly ok with incest so whatever.
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2012-06-22, 04:50 | Link #29247 |
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The only incident I can think of happening the same day if Battler didn't return would be Shannon, George and Kanon's sudden disappearance or something. After all, Yasu had already decided to accept George's proposal. Then again, we can't be sure if she intended to confess the truth about her\himself or not. Either way, even eloping with George bore the risk of bringing about an unpleasant outcome.
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2012-06-22, 05:09 | Link #29248 | |
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I think there's a problem with keeping it anonymous from everyone involved, because for people who knew she was the new family head, they would easily be able to guess who sent the money to them. Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo would certainly know. The cards inside the letters were written distinctively in Beatrice's handwriting too. It's hard to think of all the people on the island that day as being people Yasu was thankful to for always being there for her, since, well, they weren't. Gohda wasn't nice to Shannon and Kanon. Most of the family members on the island (Kyrie, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, Eva, etc) were people she won't have known well and wouldn't have had support from. On the other hand, she was someone able to get attached to others just from a once a year meeting. And she wasn't the type to bear grudges. If she was going to send cash as thanks to everyone she knew (including Gohda), wouldn't she have sent it to the servants who weren't on duty at the time too, rather than the ones on the island on that day? I can't help thinking that it must have been connected to what happened on Rokkenjima in some way. George definitely sounds suspicious at times in Umineko. On the other hand, maybe he's too suspicious. Still, it's hard to think of many reasons why he would kill everyone. I think Jan-Poo's suggestion that he might have gone mad after killing Shannon or her committing suicide holds some merit. In cold blood, it's hard to imagine what he stood to gain from killing absolutely everyone. Did I sound snippy earlier? If so it wasn't intended. If the trigger was George's impending marriage proposal meaning that there had to be a good old fashioned battle royale between Shannon and Kanon, that's true, it would have had to take place on that day regardless of Battler. Shannon was expecting it. |
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2012-06-22, 11:03 | Link #29249 |
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There's no reason to premeditate the murder of every person on the island that is actually even remotely rational. There just isn't. No matter the plan, no matter a person's awareness of the existence of a huge explosive or not, no matter the motive, it's impossible to get away with it. So short of an overly-elaborate mass-murder/suicide (which is insanity and thus not satisfying as a motive), there really isn't any reason why any person would kill every other person.
However, when looking at a Prime culprit theory, consider a reason why someone might want to kill some other person. After all, it's entirely possible the "culprit" of Prime, if there was one, didn't intend to murder every person. They may very well have only intended to kill one person, and maybe not even before they actually arrived on the island. And there's no indication that anybody died at all up to the point of the explosion, other than Eva's behavior... and Eva could just as easily want to cover up one murder as one dozen murders, so her behavior only suggests she's concerned about something being revealed.
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2012-06-22, 12:36 | Link #29250 | |
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The death of Kinzô would have also come to light and it would surely at least have led to a scandal. Maybe people wouldn't get killed over it, though I wouldn't bet my money on anybody from that family if it came to that, but at least there'd be an "incident" to speak of. Probably the family would have covered up Kinzô's death either way, because their share of the inheritance would have been in danger... Oh my, speaking of inheritance, there was none without the gold. Krauss' investments basically left the household broke if not in serious debts. Making it appear as if Kinzô died would have been the only way to collect any life insurance and escape that situation in case no gold was found. We have to remember that at least Eva and Kyrie already suspected Kinzo's death during the conference in '85. There is no way that they would have let this situation of not being able to meet with him slide way after '86. |
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2012-06-22, 12:55 | Link #29251 | |
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I was looking at the info on Our Confession earlier, and in that one when Krauss and Natsuhi were being forced into playing the fake murder game, told that if they complied their family would be safe and they would get lots of money but the island would be blown up, Krauss thought to himself that that would be a good situation in regard to Kinzo's death. It would cover the death up and let them get the life insurance. (I love Our Confession! So much detail on Beato getting those two to comply with her plans.) |
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1. Battler returns in 1985, she isn't too serious with George yet. No drama. 2. Battler returns in 1986, lolexplosion. 3. Battler returns in 1987, she's already married to George. No drama. Do note that all endings end in an exchange that goes like "What about Jessica?" "...what about who? Also, I believe Ryu said in an interview once that Shannon wasn't really going to "confess" anything, per se', but rather ... let George inevitably figure it out. The part that makes you go "aww" is that she really really really worried about it, but Ryu claims George probably wouldn't have minded. And they would adopt or something, I guess. Quote:
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2012-06-22, 21:18 | Link #29253 | |||
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2012-06-22, 22:03 | Link #29255 |
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On an unrelated note, there is a theory I have been tossing around but haven't developed yet. I don't know if it has bee said yet, but in terms of what Angie read in the diary I still think there are more things it could contain than her parents being the killers. Yes we've all mentioned truly knowing no-one would come back, and I'd even thrown in knowing nothing, but I think it doesn't have to say her parents started killing people to say the incident was her parents' fault.
We know Kyrie and Eva suspected that Kinzo was dead, and in most games the siblings make an evil extortion/money grab plan that sort of goes badly (I'm looking at you episode 7), and we also know that Eva still seems to feel pretty guilty about the whole incident. So basically I am saying I wonder if the book mentions that Kyrie and Rudolf's money grubbing plan didn't lead to the incident? Maybe the plans did involve Battler and the epitaph, and maybe they all ended up in the gold room. Maybe Battler (often being shown as disgusted by greed in general in a few episodes) walked out with/without Shannon. Why Eva would be the one to go looking for them is the only thing I can't quite swing, so probably she didn't. |
2012-06-23, 00:20 | Link #29258 | |
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I think it was Jan-Poo who posted the original sequence... or maybe it was someone else. |
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