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2011-08-17, 14:21 | Link #302 | |
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2011-08-17, 14:51 | Link #303 | |
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After all, if McCain had gotten elected, things would probably be exactly the same as they are now. Everyone knows his agenda was identical to Obama's. What's the point? Behind you ALL the way.
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Why would you need to waste an entire day? Most people either leave for work earlier and stop on the way, go to work later and stop on the way, leave work early and stop on the way home, or something along those lines. Even if they take the whole day off from work, I don't see why the whole day is wasted. Are you then not able to do anything else for the rest of the day? |
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2011-08-17, 15:01 | Link #307 |
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I blame Ron Paul for this blunder. Why do Jon Stewart has to have a first name with three letter similar to Ron Paul? With the matching two letters to spells Jon and Ron, I was bound to make a blunder. Thanks GDB!
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2011-08-17, 15:08 | Link #308 | |
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That being said, if the Tea Party can get off their asses and realize they have been hoodwinked by special interests, then they could become the force needed to propel Ron Paul to power. Sadly, they'd probably waste their vote on shills like Bachmann or Perry (or Parry ). |
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2011-08-17, 15:37 | Link #310 |
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Ah, then what of Obama's win? As far as I can see, he didn't win primarily because he had corporations backing him. He did raise record amounts of cash for his campaign, but I believe the stats are that half was raised from donations of less then $200, over the internet. I don't think his presidency can be descibed as successful, at best he can be described as weak. But then he's had a lot to deal with. I think Obama manage to harness the spirit of all the americans who wanted real change (his motto was hope and change after all). However the whole venture didn't proceed correctly.
The problem is that even if Obama was top material (which i don't think he is), he couldn't have achieved anything anyway, because he didn't manage to build up any kind of loyal base in Congress and Senate. Not only were Republicans opposed to him, but substantial parts of the democratic party as well. The only way to achieve real change isn't to elect someone different to the presidency, that would be a futile effort, as the president has little legislative power. No, the only way to achieve change is to lead from the bottom. The very makeup needs to be altered. What is needed is for people in every congressional district to try and drum up the support for representatives who will dare to be different, and aren't part of the harvard/yale corporatist clique we're used to. So, I think we should take a measure of inspiration from the Obama campaign, it showed people could get behind someone who at least claimed to be different. And we can learn from it's mistakes, that they didn't at all attempt to change congress at the same time. Congress can only be changed by changing who's actually there. Doesn't matter how loud we are, until heads roll it'll just be more of the same. It's congress that has the real power, and it's congress that has to be changed. Once reformers hold both houses of Congress, then real change can be achieved. And it has to be achieved one congressional district at a time. That would be change we can believe in. |
2011-08-17, 16:15 | Link #311 | |
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Why should I bother if all the process is completely pointless? What difference does it make? Honestly, tell me. No matter who I vote for, CA's electoral votes will go to Obama, guaranteed. I vote when my vote counts, but honestly right now, I have more important things to worry about than voting for Corporate Shill A, B or C. Like not ending up homeless (again) and not letting my violent douchebag of a roommate hurt my fiancee.
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2011-08-17, 16:18 | Link #312 | |
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In my state (Oregon), we have mail-in ballots... it works reasonably well and really makes it hard to the GOP to play vote suppression games like in Ohio and Florida.
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2011-08-17, 17:45 | Link #314 |
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Won't you be there anyway voting for the various local politicians and state propositions? (also mail-in is viable in California as well). It isn't like they hold those vote on a different day in November. (also that is over a year from now)
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2011-08-17, 18:05 | Link #316 | |
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Warren Buffett writes an entire article in complete sentences about how we should stop coddling the super-rich in the US:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...me&ref=general Soundbite responses from the rightwing in three... two...
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