Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by Var

Spoiler for Ehh:

That's pretty out there. To place Nunally as his sister he'd have had to have Geassed Marianne as well. Also, Marianne was very good friends with C.C. at that point. So unless C.C. is a colossal bitch, she'd have likely told her friend that she'd been tampered with. The same applies to C.C. and Lelouch, she'd have to be a colossal bitch to be lying to Lelouch about his sister.

Not to mention we see both Nunally and Lelouch in Anya's flashbacks. Where exactly did this injection come in? Did he switch the babies when they were born?

And then there's C.C.'s cancelling of Charles' geass. And Orange. And Orange. And Orange.

Spoiler for Mayhaps:

Marianne in this series seems to be privy to her attempted assassination attempt and various other events. As for Orange, he hasn't used his Geass canceler on Lelouch yet, and it depends on how far back the planning for the event goes.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

If that were the case, C.C.'s actions in R2 episode one would've corrected that as well, and it didn't.

C.C., V.V., Marianne and Charles have known each other since before Lelouch was conceived, not to mention V.V. and Charles made their pact before Lelouch was conceived. It really depends on what length they went to with planning this. It's absurd and out of the water in a lot of senses, it's just a way to look for a connection between Lelouch and Anya.

Of course, why would Anya know about her relation to Lelouch in this sense? Another possible answer is that they may have been in an arranged marriage.

I do however have the strong feeling Anya will defect, her Knightmare is named Mordred, a Knight of the Round table that is most famous for betraying King Arthur and delivering a mortal wound on him before dieing.

[hanseo]

isn't that reading too much in the OP and ED

[Var]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

I do however have the strong feeling Anya will defect, her Knightmare is named Mordred, a Knight of the Round table that is most famous for betraying King Arthur and delivering a mortal wound on him before dieing.

The entire connection to Mordred does not have to be fulfilled, he is mostly known for betraying Arthur. The killing is more attributed to several people, Morgan to name one other.

Spoiler for Which:

Fits in perfectly with her showing up in Ep.15 and saving Lelouch from his father.

Originally Posted by hanseo

isn't that reading too much in the OP and ED

Would you rather I ignore symbolism entirely?

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by Var

The OP and ED show them more along the lines of parting now, then before. In OP1 of S2 you saw them together. In OP2 she is displaced from Lelouch, looking on, and never shown by his side.

The ED seems more oriented into her turning into a bird and flying away with the other birds in the background.

Mm, I get your point. I assumed that the ED scene was more about guiding and comforting Lelouch as he follows the same path as her.

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by hanseo

isn't that reading too much in the OP and ED

Perhaps, like I said, it probably doesn't hold any bearing.

[hanseo]

Originally Posted by Var

The entire connection to Mordred does not have to be fulfilled, he is mostly known for betraying Arthur. The killing is more attributed to several people, Morgan to name one other.

Spoiler for Which:

Fits in perfectly with her showing up in Ep.15 and saving Lelouch from his father.

Would you rather I ignore symbolism entirely?

not really but i assumed in OP and ED doesn't mean anything

[Var]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

Mm, I get your point. I assumed that the ED scene was more about guiding and comforting Lelouch as he follows the same path as her.

I'd have envisioned a different scene if that were the case. This is, of course, assuming that the clamp ED has any relevance at all. I prefer to look at the OP than the ED.

Originally Posted by hanseo

not really but i assumed in OP and ED doesn't mean anything

If you look back at S1 the OPs gave away a good bit through their symbolism.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

Mm, I get your point. I assumed that the ED scene was more about guiding and comforting Lelouch as he follows the same path as her.

I see it as both, because while she was comforting Lelouch you can also see her looking up in the direction of where the birds are flying towards. I am not sure about following the same path, as while C.C seem to be looking upwards Lelouch is staring down and also chained to the earth.

Originally Posted by Var

I'd have envisioned a different scene if that were the case. This is, of course, assuming that the clamp ED has any relevance at all. I prefer to look at the OP than the ED.



If you look back at S1 the OPs gave away a good bit through their symbolism.

I actually liked some of the ed images, particulary the C.C and Lelouch one, there is some nice imagery in it. Same with the Lelouch and Suzaku one as well.

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by hanseo

not really but i assumed in OP and ED doesn't mean anything

There's usually meaning in the OP and ED to some extent,

Spoiler for Kallen:

Such as the implied defection of Kallen with the scene of her Gurren with Lloyd's Float technology on the back.

Small bits of information can be gleaned about the future of the show by looking at the various images, but they can easily be misinterpretated.

[Var]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

There's usually meaning in the OP and ED to some extent,

Spoiler for Kallen:

Such as the implied defection of Kallen with the scene of her Gurren with Lloyd's Float technology on the back.

Small bits of information can be gleaned about the future of the show by looking at the various images, but they can easily be misinterpretated.

Such as that speculation, imo. Kallen is incapable of defecting and piloting the Guren. No sane leader would put her in its pilot seat, the name of the unit is also Hindu in origin. As such I do not see it as being the work of Lloyd.

Anya's defection is understandable if she does in fact appear in Ep.15, Gino's is completely unknown as the KMF in the OP is not the Tristan we know.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

There's usually meaning in the OP and ED to some extent,

Spoiler for Kallen:

Such as the implied defection of Kallen with the scene of her Gurren with Lloyd's Float technology on the back.

Small bits of information can be gleaned about the future of the show by looking at the various images, but they can easily be misinterpretated.

Well the new Guren has a Indian name and also it shows the Guren on the official website on the OotBK side so that is wrong. and whos to say its just Lloyd making the mechs maybe both Laksharta and Lloyd combine their ideas or come up with the same ideas.

Edit: Damn it Var we thought about the exact same thing but you were a second faster than me.

[yezhanquan]

For OP and ED issues, it usually depends on the series. As a fan of the D.Grayman manga, I facepalmed during the recent 2 OPs and ED; they basically showed all the "new" characters, and stuff.

Onto CG ED: I basically like the colour swap between Lulu and Suzaku. It may not mean anything in the end, but hell, Lulu looks good in white once in a while.

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by Var

Such as that speculation, imo. Kallen is incapable of defecting and piloting the Guren. No sane leader would put her in its pilot seat, the name of the unit is also Hindu in origin. As such I do not see it as being the work of Lloyd.

Anya's defection is understandable if she does in fact appear in Ep.15, Gino's is completely unknown as the KMF in the OP is not the Tristan we know.

The one way I can see Kallen defecting is if Suzaku tells her that Lelouch Geassed Euphie into massacring all those Japanese. As she was more than a little bit paranoid of Lelouch using the Japanese for his own aims at the end of Season 1.

I thought the name of the unit being of Hindu origin was something along the lines of Lloyd showing respect to Laksharta.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

The one way I can see Kallen defecting is if Suzaku tells her that Lelouch Geassed Euphie into massacring all those Japanese. As she was more than a little bit paranoid of Lelouch using the Japanese for his own aims at the end of Season 1.

I thought the name of the unit being of Hindu origin was something along the lines of Lloyd showing respect to Laksharta.

read mines. The official website shows the new mech on OotBK side.

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by Witacume

read mines. The official website shows the new mech on OotBK side.

Oh cool, my bad than.

Do you think I could get a link by the way? Always interested in new CG information.

[Var]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

The one way I can see Kallen defecting is if Suzaku tells her that Lelouch Geassed Euphie into massacring all those Japanese. As she was more than a little bit paranoid of Lelouch using the Japanese for his own aims at the end of Season 1.

I thought the name of the unit being of Hindu origin was something along the lines of Lloyd showing respect to Laksharta.

There is as much a chance that she already knows about Euphie as that she does not. C.C. has informed her about the Geass and Lelouch's past, I can see Euphie being put in there. As for that point, assuming she doesn't know, making her defect? It is unlikely and inconceivably stupid if she accepts his words without confronting Lelouch herself. And again, no sane leader would put her in the pilot seat of the Guren. It is an idiotic gesture that would more than likely have her killed by allies out of revenge than anything else.

If Lloyd wanted to show respect for Lakshata through naming conventions, he'd have not named the Lancelot with Hadron capabilities Conquista. The technology of Hadron cannons was perfected by Lakshata.

[TheAlucid]

Originally Posted by Var

There is as much a chance that she already knows about Euphie as that she does not. C.C. has informed her about the Geass and Lelouch's past, I can see Euphie being put in there. As for that point, assuming she doesn't know, making her defect? It is unlikely and inconceivably stupid if she accepts his words without confronting Lelouch herself. And again, no sane leader would put her in the pilot seat of the Guren. It is an idiotic gesture that would more than likely have her killed by allies out of revenge than anything else.

If Lloyd wanted to show respect for Lakshata through naming conventions, he'd have not named the Lancelot with Hadron capabilities Conquista. The technology of Hadron cannons was perfected by Lakshata.

I can imagine Euphie taking her on as her personal Knight and perhaps her Generals using her in a way to show her loyalty, a bit like what they did to Suzaku when he first captured zero.

It seems like it's fairly canon however that the new Guren is on the OoBK side though, seeing as how the official website has it shown as such.

[Var]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

I can imagine Euphie taking her on as her personal Knight and perhaps her Generals using her in a way to show her loyalty, a bit like what they did to Suzaku when he first captured zero.

It seems like it's fairly canon however that the new Guren is on the OoBK side though, seeing as how the official website has it shown as such.

Suzaku never killed a mass amount of soldiers or Glaston Knights. Her being accepted into the Britannian military would be a mockery of military procedure and an abuse of power by Nunally. That's like her having Zero becoming her knight. No one in their right mind would stand for it, or allow it to happen.

You could also look at the rest of the OP. The Guren and Lancelot are facing off. Kallen is later shown, happily, in her OoBK plug suit saluting Lelouch (I say it is Lelouch because of the reactions of everyone present in the character line up).

[yezhanquan]

And considering that by ep. 18, we have a BIG fight in Tokyo, I think Kallen may get out scot-free, though Nunnally might pay a price in doing so.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Var

Suzaku never killed a mass amount of soldiers or Glaston Knights. Her being accepted into the Britannian military would be a mockery of military procedure and an abuse of power by Nunally. That's like her having Zero becoming her knight. No one in their right mind would stand for it, or allow it to happen.

You could also look at the rest of the OP. The Guren and Lancelot are facing off. Kallen is later shown, happily, in her OoBK plug suit saluting Lelouch (I say it is Lelouch because of the reactions of everyone present in the character line up).

Ya but no one has to know who she is,add in anmisa and a new personality disorder or 2 remove the geaes command to kill all Japanese she'll be practily a new person.