2009-03-06, 10:26 | Link #62 | |
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He's rather infamous for his very anti-fansub views. I believe he has panels at cons where he explains the detrimental effects of fansubs on the anime industry. You can find the panels on YouTube but I don't think they are officially uploaded. I haven't seen any of them but I've heard of people who have both stopped watching fansubs thanks to him and people who think his arguments are flawed. Apparently he uses the guilt method a lot. Anyway he recently has had a heart attack which is what sa547 is presumably referring to.
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2009-03-06, 10:28 | Link #63 |
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You mean Greg Ayres? He's a voice actor who just attends lots of American conventions where he hosts panels such as this one. If you don't care to waste time, he basically preaches how fansubs are the work of the devil. On the topic of how important the American anime industry is to Japan, he basically claims that North American capital saved the Japanese anime industry back in the late 90's. >_>
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Oddly the late night block that is doing the best (none are doing great most have been cut back) is the NoitaminA block on Fuji Television which is geared at women. |
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2009-03-06, 10:53 | Link #65 | |
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@Toua/ontopic: I think the other blog you picked up regarding a similar problem facing the music industry somehow hit the mark: the greater diversification of entertainment options may have contributed to reduced patronization of commercially-distributed music. Now let's see... I don't know if this might be a viable option for those studios, but they should cut down the production rate a bit because not everyone's be able to consume them all, and instead reconsider the storytelling part because a bad story is a waste of resources: after several bad reviews, only a few are gullible enough to buy a rehashed storyline, even if they try to wave a huge boxset of such a mediocre show with a basement bargain sticker price (and all the T&A "service" he could get) to a geek in downtown Akihabara. Furthermore, making admission that they admire (and possibly fear) Miyazaki shouldn't be said -- well, they have to be reminded that in Japanese business, there's always war, and in war they have to use their collective heads to fix the problem with their storytelling today. I want to tell them in their faces: "Show me something unique and entertaining, and I'll show you the money, and what I buy may save your hide."
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2009-03-06, 11:04 | Link #66 | |
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Noitamina also airs programs that fall well outside the norm for anime like Mononoke or Genji. Even their more mainstream offerings like Moyashimon (school) or Toshokan Sensou (action) are rather dissimilar from most shows in the same genre categories.
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I'd bet you that many a writer who produced a dud sincerely believed he had a winner in his hands. That's why the rewards of producing a Hollywood blockbuster are so big — it's because the financial risks are so high: You never know whether you have a "great" story until the product hits the market. That said, I do wish the anime industry would get out of its moe fetish, and move on to other things soon. What the next big "thing" will be, though, is anybody's guess. |
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2009-03-06, 12:39 | Link #68 |
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Well it's not really the "industry" per se, it's the consumers. But the popularity of moe does not preclude the viability of other genres. In fact I think moe will always be around. There have been many successful titles that either don't contain any moe or contain moe characters but do not focus on moe.
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2009-03-06, 13:51 | Link #69 |
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In my opinion, the Japanese industry has produced many great series over these past few years. I don't share sympathies with the ever popular Occam's razor theory, but notability isn't so much about quality as it is about the establishment. Case in fact, the prevalence of certain genres or animation styles has nothing to do with the notion of having less notable anime series available in the present age.
But I digress. The number of productions isn't so much a consequence of demand as it is stretching it thin due to sheer necessity. As it was said before, many studios can't finance whole productions by themselves, so they form production committees where the number of business partners rapidly increases. Consequently, revenue decreases, warranting more projects for some of these companies to stay afloat. I honestly wonder how much of the Japanese music industry (the biggest sponsors) lives off of anime alone. |
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At any rate.. it would seem that demographics are playing a major role in eroding the anime industry.. apart from simply scaling down, and perhaps targeting a different audience, i wonder if theres a solution to this. Last edited by oompa loompa; 2009-03-06 at 14:31. |
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2009-03-06, 16:31 | Link #71 | |
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I don't see a reduction in the amount of titles coming out as a bad thing. A lot of it is low-budget, low-profit crap anyway. I'd like to see resources pulled together and used on higher quality and/or innovative productions. The problem is getting someone to prove that this method is cost effective enough. |
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2009-03-06, 16:42 | Link #72 |
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mmm this is an issue isnt it?.. well it will become one eventually - perhaps not any time in the immediate future - though the current economic conditions dont help either. well, until the demographics set themselves right, the old avenues of income are not really going to work too well ( that is the problem isnt it? the majority of revenue is generated through japan - blaming fansubs for a dent in sales is technically correct, but it isnt as important as is made out), guess they have to try and do something else. to increase the size of the US market would probably not do too well either, as sales are already dropping - dvd sales are dropping in all industries, though anime seems to be effected a little worse. the first step would obviously be to scale down production - 200+ series a year is.. more than can be handled at the moment. i cant really say what this will mean. the market will probably continue to shrink, until the demographics start improving slightly. Still apart from scaling down, the anime industry is going to have to do something extremely clever, to fix this in the long run, and i have no idea what that may be - i doubt waiting for another NGE to come along is the answer.. what do you guys think?
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2009-03-06, 16:56 | Link #73 |
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The answer to the anime industry's problems is not for another mega hit to come out. That's only temporary and helps only a select few companies. The system under which it operates needs to be changed. Too many companies just skimp by from production to production.
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2009-03-06, 19:01 | Link #74 |
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I think the most important reasons for the problems in the anime industry have already been touched in previous posts. My impression is that too small an portion of the income of a production flows back to the production companies. When the economy makes a turn for the worse they get hit hardest.
DVD sales are unfortunatly one of the major sources to recoup the cost of anime production and that medium is slowly going the way of the Dodo. It's not unlikely that fans still spend the same amounts of money on their hobby but probably have switched to buying other items like mangas and merchandise then DVDs. Given the high DVD prices in Japan that might have had an even bigger impact there. I think a similar thing is happening in the west. Major retail chains offer less anime (like Best Buy) but Diamond distribution for example has offered more and more manga related content in recent years. The canned dogs website has an interesting article about the way the cash flows are devided in a typical anime production: anime bussiness |
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well really, all we can do now i suppose is wait and watch - hopefully all of this will result in an industry contraction, rather than a 'crash', and hopefully the anime indusry will take effective action to fix things - things are looking grim, but were still not near a 'collapse' right?
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2009-03-06, 19:12 | Link #76 | |
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2009-03-06, 19:24 | Link #77 |
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There is no need to worry about the anime industry collapsing. It's not going to crash. It may stumble a bit and need to pick itself back up, but it won't crash. The American anime licensing industry; however, I think will disappear in time.
One thing that that article mentioned is that high prices for DVDs are affected by high TV timeslot costs and expected low sale numbers. I don't doubt that this has a part in it, but I read somewhere that the anime companies wouldn't charge lower prices even if they could. High pricing is sort of built into the system, and many companies think that they wouldn't sell any extra DVDs by lowering the price. Basically that, the ones who will buy it, do buy it. Anyone else read something along these lines? I think it’s kind of a flawed system and I hope there isn’t any truth to that assertion. |
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ya at a recent con, media blasters, funi, and some fansubber had a panel, basically the guy from media blasters said that the price of dvds japan is at the highest profitibility point, basically at the current price point they sell the maximum amount of titles for the best price. So currently they would be in a sale v price function the derivative would be zero.
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2009-03-06, 20:19 | Link #79 |
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i agree, theres no need to be *that* pessimistic.. though it may contract a lot, in the worst case scenario.. the anime industry is in a tight spot, but so is the rest of japan as well - theyre going through some tough times.. the idea, and style, of anime is not just going to dissapear overnight or even in a year - they do have to stop clinging to old models and look for some way to make a profit out of it, i find it extremely hard to believe that thats impossible.
i would love to see legal digitized media from japan, i'm not sure how well crunchyroll works, its plus or minus points, but i think its a step in the right direction. hopefully something similiar will be set up in place in the future - i do believe that the licensing industry will fail though.. |
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Digital initiatives like Crunchyroll's will probably work as an idea. After all, people are already watching either downloaded or streamed anime, so we might as well try to make some legal money out of it.
However, here's the problem: I don't believe that relying on digital distribution alone would be a sustainable business model. The reason is simple: Online viewers will not be willing to pay anywhere near as much as what they would pay for a DVD or a Blu-ray disc. This is a problem faced by the entire mass-media industry — newspapers, radio, movies and TV — and not just anime. We can all see that online distribution works, but converting it into sustainable revenue is an entirely different problem altogether. |
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