Tokimeki Memorial ~ Only Love ~

[guiltygearxt]

man, u ppl demand 2 much

this anime was meant 2 be a classic from the start, even from the game reputation, u can even tell it from the OP. Thats y Hero x Heroine is expected

the endings really well done in my opinion, and kiss would be way 2 much of character development since they just confessed 2 each other and in front of everybody.

either way i say this series beats all school life harems such as Shuffle!, DC both seasons, etc (personally of course)

tokimeki gives an innocent and pure feeling, just like the good old times when i play the 1st tokimeki game

i give the whole series a 9.5/10

[npal]

Enjoyable as it maybe be, it was too cliched and the cliche story was forgettably executed. Its humor was nice and the antagonists (Tsukasa and Mina) were nice (and Haruka sensei ), but as a whole, I wouldn't give this one more than a 6 or 7. And it suffers from the usual harem male lead syndrome Cute but not great. Of course, better this than trying to say you know how to write something decent and then fail miserably *coughshufflecough*.

[Deathkillz]

the antagonists (Tsukasa and Mina)

how can you say such a thing? the only crime mina commited was stealing my heart away
well i wont be forgetting this series any time soon...but will probably end up forgetting given time ~ its cliche done the way it should be done and im happy (would have been happier if a certain someone was picked) with the outcome ~ tho is still curse the fact that there wasnt enough of sexy sexy inukai ()

[npal]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

how can you say such a thing? the only crime mina commited was stealing my heart away

I said they were nice And I'm a Tsukasa fan btw

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

tho is still curse the fact that there wasnt enough of sexy sexy inukai ()

/scratches head... Inukai is a guy, right?

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

i think hiyoko should get his own series!

Spoiler for episode 25:

@mangatron: hey, how about you give up on your sayuri x sakurai thing and go dream on about this pairing?

lol....I never really wanted that, but I'll explain later....

Hmm... not particularly surprised at this....yet again anime shows me that they can never sway from the "normal" way of doing things. Sad thing is, I can just add this to yet the growing list of "The way things go".

I'll keep this nice, short and simple. At this time of the anime season I'm not very fond of spoiling series, especially when I now have to make commitments as to which fansub group I will prioritize (I have had alot of groups asking for my services ~___~) I'm planning a mass blog attack in a couple of days so let's get inside my crazed, insane mind, shall we?

Spoiler for those who has watched Episode 25:

Exactly 20 episodes since my foray into Tokimeki, and not once did I see a different ending. This went exactly the way it was "supposed" to go, and with a few treats here and there. I'll touch up on the points of interest for those who have watch it:

(remember people episode 5 was my biggest look into Tokimeki, and it never proved me wrong)

-#1: goes to show Aoba will always keep moving, no matter what
-#2: Episode 5 was in fact, one episode where everyone would actually look at Aoba, not just as another empty shell of school. Everyone ended up looking at him one (last?) time.
-#3: My Sakurai x Sayuri rumor has, indeed, actually happened. You may note me as saying that "there has got to be some deeper meaning to why the two are always on screen" and how I've always quiped to "the two will have some impact to the near end of this series" which, surprisingly enough the two worked together to make it happen (Sayuri x Aoba).
-#4: Oh, how they proved their worth. While I did hint at wanting something more of a deeper meaning, I always knew Sakurai would be responsible (or partly) for the upbringing of Aoba x Sayuri. You know what? I have no regrets. My hope have been fulfilled, and the pairing I always knew of ended up happening yet again. Anime 34664557, mangatron 0.(not that I always went against the truth of anime)
-#5: I'm supposed to keep this short, right?
-#6: Episode 9 confirmed my conclusion for a Tsukasa rejection. Sorry Tsukasa-chan, but anime always proved to us the self-imposing girlfriend never ends up with the guy. I've seen enough anime to know that already
-#7: Episode....what was it, the Mina prayer episode, proved my conclusive result that Mina-Mina wouldn't get as far as first base. Sorry Mina-chan, but anime has shown me time and time again just because a guy likes the rain doesn't mean he's yours (In real life I'm a serious rain hater....but not a water hater )
-On to the un-serious, I now take charge of my insanity and will take off!

-Love head-honcho's secretaries. Mini-skirts
-Oh, how Sakura and Yuka are created for each other! They are together in the same scenes yet again! Yuri for the-.....wtf am I saying
-Aha! El Capitan yet again is called that, Captain. you know what? I was so hoping for at least one of the girls to scream out her name. HER REAL NAME DAMBIT! CALL HER HER REAL NAME!!!!
-In the end, she still is El Capitan...
-Uh.....yeah, the scenes where Sayuri-chan was running in the hallway....You know what, I don't know what episode you guys were watching, but I saw it all! That's right, you know what I saw!

Spoiler for what mangatron saw in episode 25! (Cont'd from above):

click image for larger enjoyment

IT'S HERE! TOKIMEKI'S FIRST EVER PANTSU SHOT!


GUESS WHO IT IS?

WHY, IF IT ISN'T SAYURI-CHAN! THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE SERIES LOL

Her pantsu is Royal White! That means....SHE'S PURE! CLEAN! UNTOUCHED! SHE'S BEEN SAVING HER VOLUPTUOUS BODY FOR ME OH MY DEAR SAYURI-CHAN HOW I LONG FOR THEE-.....

/me hides

Ahem, back to the episode....

Spoiler for episode 25 again!:

Where was I? Oh yeah...those Sayuri-chan hallway scenes.....didn't the teacher tell her to never run in the hall?
-I knew something was wrong with this episode, and I think I know why. Each of the key characters had time split amongst each other to the point where 2 of the girls barely even get 5 minutes. So we end up with two scenes that make half of it tell you to imagine what the rest of it was supposed to be
-And....Sakurai x Sayuri...the pairing which everyone probably thought I wanted, but actually....the truth is, I only wanted an explanation as to why these two were shown so much. Which, much to my speculation I then noted of how I know their togetherness would be important later on, and, I guess I got it. Sure enough, Sayuri-chan gets the help of the oh so volunteerific Sakurai to do one last Aoba Run, which of course, brought Sayuri-chan one step closer to Aoba.
-Tsukasa-chan's crying scene was touching, yes, as I too have known how it is in life to believe in something and not get it at all. Too many a time in fact, but there's a time and place for everything and my personal life does not belong here, but back to Tsukasa-chan....you know what ruined this scene? No, not her tears....no, not my tears, it was.....DAMBIT! TSUKASA-CHAN CALLED VOLLEYBALL CAPTAIN...."CAPTAIN"
-Ergh....nothing much to say about Mina-Mina....sorry, my dear Mina-chan, but....I can't say anything about you because.....if I do, everyone will call me a "lolitron"
-And....Sayuri-chan finally met up with Aoba. You know what is amazing about this? This scene, she says more to him than the last 3 episodes lol....or...was it that she had so many pauses along the way ....
-So....who didn't see this coming? The episode ended with a way of how the series started: The Running Man episodes
-And uh....nothing much really. Pretty much alot of anime went the way Tokimeki Memorial OL went, and there's wasn't really much to go around, what with balancing 3 ends together in one ep. So in the end Aoba moved just the same way he moved in, Amamiya-san is by herself again , teachers go back to teaching and messing around, students going to school, Mina-Mina swimming and Tsukasa-chan Volleyballing. What more was there for this series?

Nothing else. All the more reason why I enjoyed it. The research, the constant squabbling, the controversy here and there and the posts I made with extreme enthusiasm, the laughter and sorrow I had, everything about this series was enjoyable for me. For one thing, this series was responsible for my breakthrough into the fansub world, although much to my amusement I am now a sought after translator, and this series carried on to what I kept going on for so long. All along the way I learned why it's important to listen to the viewers, how to shorten my posts and what it means to speculate to death all the possibilities even if you knew the outcome already. I enjoyed this series, and will continue to discuss it for each fansubbed episode that comes out from henceforth. So, so long everyone!

Hi everyone, my name is mangatron, and I want to talk about Tokimeki!

What was my favorite pairing? Mina x Tsukasa? Sayuri x Sakurai? Ayame x Sayuri? The list could go on and on, but one that I never, ever gave up on:

Sakura x Yuka! That's right, remember how episode 05 is so special to me? Well, they both had quite a few moments in that ep, and, try to remember now, it was perhaps the only time Ayame called their names one after the other! Maybe not restricted to Ayame only, thats pretty much the only ep where their names go one after the other! That began my Sakura x Yuka rant, and so far it's holding true lol

No, I'm not pro-yuri lol

So, you thought my post would end there, did you? Well, not sure if this was mentioned before, but believe it or not Tokimeki Memorial gets some light in from the Associated Press. Showcasing an animation software, this news spot is sure to bring smiles to your faces what with all the Mina-Mina and Tsukasa-chan that was going around in it (with some AMS and others to boot)
Associated Press clip about animation software

Now there's a good reason to invest in anime! Maybe all my favorite manga's can come to life now

Don't forget to drop by my blog to see more about the Amamiya controversy and other stuff about me

[guiltygearxt]

lol @ whoever photoshopped that pantsu shot

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by npal

/scratches head... Inukai is a guy, right?

he sure is...and i say again ~ if i wasnt a guy i would have fallen for him

@ mangatron ~ great description on sayuri "innocence" ~ (thankgod she wasnt wearing kuma pants )

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by guiltygearxt

lol @ whoever photoshopped that pantsu shot

I feel like some whoever....

I admit! I did it! I wasted my time photoshopping it! And it's all because of this post I did several pages back, it was inevitable! There just had to be some pantsu, and I couldn't help it

That wasn't the first time I PS'ed a controversial pic...*looks at the old Mahoraba thread*....lol

Now leave me alone, I go hide from shame and this horrible sin commited to dear Sayuri-chan



On a side note, holyman got so affected by my posts he just had to ask me:

"Do you talk like that in real life? God help the people you mingle with"

Well, I wanted to verify that here. Yes, that's me in real life, I find no reason why I shouldn't be the same here. Believe it or not, I am one really crazed whacko. But when the serious needs to be done, I discard the insanity for, something just as serious

This is why I'm such an enthusiastic anime veiwer, I don't just watch anime, I watch it for more than what it really is (to the point where I have to yet again photoshop a fanserviceless anime into something more....daring ), and I'm not really one to complain about a series or talk about how one sucked. Last time I did that was Bakuretsu Tenshi, and back then it was too unbearable (even made a Baka tenshi club lol...). 24+ eps of Scooby-doo'ish plotslines (Damsel in distress lol) didn't really sit well with me, and to think that season really didn't have what I wanted to watch

So yeah....I'm crazy. But I keep it in check, which is one of my strong points. As my saying goes,

"He who had a sad past knows how to make his future happy."

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

@ mangatron ~ great description on sayuri "innocence" ~ (thankgod she wasnt wearing kuma pants )

LOLipop.... I debated on whether or not I should defile her with black pantsu. But I went with white for the sake of her "goddess image"

[jtrog]

About ep 15. There is Tokimeki Momerial Online game, japan only and recently the developers announced servers shutting down in july 2007 I believe I read. New game is TMO2 probably in 2008? I do not know how much of the game was from play at home ps2 version mixed in with the online one.

Saw end. I like the show cause it does not rely on 'dirty or R to X rated topics' as well as someone else said a classy way of doing things. Ending was fine to me.

[guiltygearxt]

haha, it would been great if she didnt wear any pantsu XD

and i personally want some X rated Amamiya

seriously, that would be hawt

plz excuse my ecchi-ness

oh and im surprised that mangatron used the avatar from that anime made by Tony lol (im dying 4 its 2nd chapter )

[Flame-X]

an h-anime or hgame of tokimeki memorial only love would be freakin amazing

[Sailor Enlil]

Too bad Konami won't have it, as they wish to keep the Tokimeki Memorial franchise at the "all ages" level. One attempt at putting a likeness of Shiori Fujisaki's character in a H-anime landed the suspect in jail, as documented here.

[FD3S]

What... the... bloody... hell? First I've heard of this - I'm guessing the tape wasn't out for very long, eh? Konami's pretty damn strict when it comes of defending the honor of Tokimemo...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Sailor Enlil

Too bad Konami won't have it, as they wish to keep the Tokimeki Memorial franchise at the "all ages" level. One attempt at putting a likeness of Shiori Fujisaki's character in a H-anime landed the suspect in jail, as documented here.

This sounds more like an issue of straight copyright infringement than having to do with the content of the video even though the plaintiffs claim of integrity was supported by the judge. Seems like a completely backwards judgement to me. If I were the judge I would be more concerned with awarding the plaintiff compensation for copywright damages than for costs to integrity. I'd flip the judgement so the copywright damages were the 2 million yen and the integrity damages were 275,000.

The prose seems a little off for a justice though. I've read case law and usually the commentary is more seperate from the case at hand, lacking unneccessary comments outside the fact, such as " turn the innocent and pure Shiori Fujisaki into a base, crude character as one might expect in an adult oriented video animation", which is something you would be more likely to hear from a lawyers closing argument. The cases I've read are more concerned strictly with the facts like how/when/where/why did you do it and how/when/where/why did you intend to do it, and nothing else. Must have been a really activist judge to be that concerned over the content of a fictional creations character to blast the defendant like that. Pretty sad stuff. I was shocked to find that Japan only had a 2/7 (1 being most free and 7 being least free) on the overall Civil Rights freedom scale study I read on Wikipedia a few months ago. Perhaps the courts are part of the reason why this is the case.

I'll tell you this, in Canada you cannot claim protection of any sort for a fictional creation. Claiming damages for a fictional characters reputation would be immediately dismissed by a judge.

[Vexx]

The court system in Japan ... well, lets just say it would puree the heads of most Canadian or USian lawyers....

And that was a translation from Japanese so it might have some quirks in it.

[Mecha_Trueno]

holy crap, reading through that article was more eye-hurting than mangatron's long-ass posts

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

This sounds more like an issue of straight copyright infringement than having to do with the content of the video even though the plaintiffs claim of integrity was supported by the judge. Seems like a completely backwards judgement to me. If I were the judge I would be more concerned with awarding the plaintiff compensation for copywright damages than for costs to integrity. I'd flip the judgement so the copywright damages were the 2 million yen and the integrity damages were 275,000.

Must have been a really activist judge to be that concerned over the content of a fictional creations character to blast the defendant like that.

there is the other possibility. the judge him/herself is a tokimemo fan, more specifically, a shiori fan
but wow, the idea of a corporation claiming moral rights concerning a fictional charatcer...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

holy crap, reading through that article was more eye-hurting than mangatron's long-ass posts

there is the other possibility. the judge him/herself is a tokimemo fan, more specifically, a shiori fan
but wow, the idea of a corporation claiming moral rights concerning a fictional charatcer...

He can't be a fan otherwise he wouldn't be allowed to try the case because of a reasonable apprehension of bias. Unless the Japanese courts are as loopy as Vexx says and that doesn't matter, in which case you might as well be tried by a theocratic tribunal in Iran.

Also you can't claim moral rights for a fictional character because they can't collect damages for libel, who collects the damages of libel against a fictional character. Do you staple the cheque to a drawing? The decision is pure activism designed to make an example out of the defendant since the courts were being accused of being to lenient on copyright infringement, the integrity decision was probably tacked on as punitive damages to make the courts posturing more visible. It's like that one case in U.S I read of where the one judge was accused of being too generous with his setting of bail, so in order to prove he's a tough guy he picks some random defendant one day and throws something like a $100 Trillion bail settings at him. I don't think its a laughing matter and pray to god that that Konami v. Ichiro Komami wasn't a supreme court case, otherwise this is now the law of that land and it can only lead to trouble when people start suing because a character in an adult film happens to resemble a character they may have created. So now all H-Doujin becomes illegal and you can be sued for racy fan-art the original creator doesn't approve of. Ugh? I don't think this was Supreme Court as this doesn't seem to have happened. This is one of the worst decisions I think I have ever read.

Why do I have to be the one doing the lecture on Jurisprudence when these courts should be taking care of their own affairs? I'm just a student, I never thought I'd see the day when a decision so ridiculous came to my attention. Well I just confirmed it was distict court, which helps to determine the screwball decision as district courts can be pretty random. Why the defendant didn't just appeal this to a higher court where the integrity decision would be most likely be overturned is beyond me.

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

holy crap, reading through that article was more eye-hurting than mangatron's long-ass posts

I'm hurt





Now I regret my defamation of Miss Sayuri-chan....

Forgive me, Sayuri-nee! I am forever basked in thy beautiful light! Grant mercy unto me as you have of cousin Aoba! I beg of you!!







/me plots a doujin instead

[Vexx]

I read a small amount of case law in my study of japanese culture ... lets just say their idea of justice weighs differently than US or Canadian ... especially in the areas of civil disputes. Their legal concepts of family and birthrights make my head spin sometimes (e.g. the legal system thinks its more important who *bore* the child than whose DNA was used to create the fetus --- an interesting idea that gives weight to who dealt with the discomfort and pain). Case law on civil disputes are also interestingly different. Of course, if you get arrested for a criminal matter --- basically you're screwed because that's where they filter ... at the police level rather than the courts (unlike US/Canada where the attitude leans toward "arrest someone and let the court figure it out").

Sorry, I'm offtopic from Tokimeki ... (waits for subs....). I really would like to see the ending before commenting too much -- though the ending I'm hearing about is kind of an unusual way to execute the no-ending ending.

[Anacone]

Thank you for suggesting this Vexx . I watched episodes 1-15 couple days after your recommendation in http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...298#post870298.
And it reminded me that I had almost let this slip by months ago because first ep was ...hmm... something and second ended bit irritating way... after that simply forgot it...
But now I gave it more eps and was just simply in hook by series having jokes that worked on me, amazed by good looking scenes and enjoying good music.

Some thoughts:
It took couple eps to get partly over Aoba's wimpy tones in voice, but that nasal is still aching my ear in some degree like when he yells Hiyoko-kun.

Liking Tsukasas and Rikus relationship least, way it started, her pushy behaving and Rikus thoughtless way to just keep her happy and to not think possible consequences.

Then comes Amamiya-san and my hopes are up for Mina.

My heart jumped also for Yukari maybe just because of her VA Yukari and thought about having bad girl is my secret dream .