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Old 2020-08-17, 04:42   Link #621
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I think comparing Trump with any other USA president is like comparing fruits and meat and is proof of where Trump true genius is. There are several lists of the best and the worst presidents in the USA. But I can bet that none at the bottom of any list actively and in plain sight worked to dismantle the institutions that support the government. Trump in that regard is no different from Hugo Chavez, who became the democratically elected president and became the defacto dictator of Venezuela until he died.
LOL first one to point this out, really not laughing matter.

Both of them. Win election by blaming whaever socio-economic problems, abuse power to keep opossition at bay, create/use a huge media platform to broadcast biased propaganda, invest lot of money on military, if something goes wrong it's the opposition fault, used up all the federal reserve, and the list go on.
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Old 2020-08-18, 15:39   Link #622
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CNN Host Does Lazy Propaganda Puff Piece On Kamala VP Pick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x16Ep8NTG58
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Old 2020-08-19, 00:02   Link #623
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I'm glad it wasn't Hillary Clinton.

I mean. With the way 2020 was going, you're never sure.

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Every damn thing she warned us about in 2016 came to pass but sure, let's keep demonizing her.
LOL, even after losing to Trump she's got no favours! Poor woman, what must she do to be liked?
I would think there's no worse punishment in hell than losing an election to Trump!
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Old 2020-08-19, 01:08   Link #624
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Isn't she due in court for something in September?
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Old 2020-08-19, 01:30   Link #625
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That ridiculous deposition order was unanimously tossed out by the Appellate Court.
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Old 2020-08-21, 03:02   Link #626
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Maybe not so smart for Drumpf to build his argument around the idea that Biden is a drooling vegetable who can’t string together two sentences. Nothing like helping your opponent out by lowering expectations to a hilarious degree.
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Old 2020-08-21, 06:48   Link #627
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Yeah, the "Netflix Convention" was surprisingly entertaining and very well done. And compared to past 150 Million dollar expensive Conventions this one was very cheap. Also think the whole quiet alone talking time without being interrupted by cheers and thunder claps helped Biden to focus not on the crowd but on himself and his text and it showed. Hope the debates also go well for Biden.
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Old 2020-08-21, 11:31   Link #628
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I do wonder if Steve Bannon's arrest is going to amount to anything.
Trump seems to be treating Bannon like a hot potato, but Bannon probably knows some secrets that could damage him.

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Old 2020-08-21, 11:48   Link #629
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This is again one of those elections where I wish we have more viable candidates. Biden is a joke and I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what's going on and Trump is the McBoatface of the political world. Both parties have great people but never get far. The 2 political party has got to end, either add more major parties or get rid of them all
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Old 2020-08-21, 12:43   Link #630
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I do wonder if Steve Bannon's arrest is going to amount to anything.
Trump seems to be treating Bannon like a hot potato, but Bannon probably knows some secrets that could damage him.
Well he could cut a deal with prosecutors and testify about other matters they are interested in. We now see why Barr was so anxious to decapitate the SDNY, a clumsy effort that ended in failure. I'm guessing the prosecutors have other cases to pursue, some involving the President.

Remember, too, that pardons are a double-edged sword. If Trump were to pardon Bannon, Steve would lose his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. He could then be forced to testify under subpoena.
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Old 2020-08-21, 13:16   Link #631
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Well he could cut a deal with prosecutors and testify about other matters they are interested in. We now see why Barr was so anxious to decapitate the SDNY, a clumsy effort that ended in failure. I'm guessing the prosecutors have other cases to pursue, some involving the President.

Remember, too, that pardons are a double-edged sword. If Trump were to pardon Bannon, Steve would lose his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. He could then be forced to testify under subpoena.
Let's say that happens, and he testifies he doesn't know anything. Then what?
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Old 2020-08-21, 19:03   Link #632
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Let's say that happens, and he testifies he doesn't know anything. Then what?
In theory, he's then guilty of felony perjury if info comes out that proves he was lying. Of course if Trump is still president, he could always pardon him again.
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Old 2020-08-22, 12:25   Link #633
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Let's say that happens, and he testifies he doesn't know anything. Then what?
That assumes that only Bannon knows what's true. Prosecutors usually have a lot of other evidence to bring to bear in cases like this. Perjury in Federal proceedings is a pretty substantial felony. And Trump won't be around to pardon him again when any future trial might begin.
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Old 2020-08-22, 19:01   Link #634
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Optimistically.
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Old 2020-08-22, 23:00   Link #635
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Last I saw Bannon he was anti-ccp and stuff with this Gou HK billionaire. Then now, he got scooped up. Well, it is nearing elections and more dramas will unfold I suppose. Audio clips, dirty plays and things. But I'm sure any dirt associated with the Democrats will be covered up. They're all prepared this time. They got all bases covered. And I saw.

For the last four years, I've seen enough low and dirty plays from the Democrats. I hope Trump should match the efforts, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Level the field. Actually, hit them harder is good.

This election really is all about Trump. Those who hate Trump will vote for Biden. Those who love Trump will vote for Trump. I don't think I'll vote (because I never did) but I hope Trump wins.

The only thing I want to do is change my affiliated political party from Democrat to Republican. I have my red Tokyo hat and I haven't worn it yet for the fear that those crazy Trump haters will attack me from behind. Heck, that's what people are amount to these days.
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Old 2020-08-23, 10:01   Link #636
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Well he could cut a deal with prosecutors and testify about other matters they are interested in. We now see why Barr was so anxious to decapitate the SDNY, a clumsy effort that ended in failure. I'm guessing the prosecutors have other cases to pursue, some involving the President.

Remember, too, that pardons are a double-edged sword. If Trump were to pardon Bannon, Steve would lose his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. He could then be forced to testify under subpoena.
Really weak and lazy effort promoting conspiracy theories considering who at SDNY was investigating what.
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Old 2020-08-23, 10:44   Link #637
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Last I saw Bannon he was anti-ccp and stuff with this Gou HK billionaire. Then now, he got scooped up. Well, it is nearing elections and more dramas will unfold I suppose. Audio clips, dirty plays and things. But I'm sure any dirt associated with the Democrats will be covered up. They're all prepared this time. They got all bases covered. And I saw.

For the last four years, I've seen enough low and dirty plays from the Democrats. I hope Trump should match the efforts, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Level the field. Actually, hit them harder is good.

This election really is all about Trump. Those who hate Trump will vote for Biden. Those who love Trump will vote for Trump. I don't think I'll vote (because I never did) but I hope Trump wins.

The only thing I want to do is change my affiliated political party from Democrat to Republican. I have my red Tokyo hat and I haven't worn it yet for the fear that those crazy Trump haters will attack me from behind. Heck, that's what people are amount to these days.
Well... After the horrible responses to protests, Covid and the economy, anyone running against Trump should win by a landslide. However, it seems that democrats are far too stupid nominate competent candidates that can energize voters, most people voting for Biden are doing so because he is not Trump, that's it, but there is no substantive policy or clear message.

It seems to me that both parties are doing their absolute best to lose the election.

Rejoyce! Trump has a 50/50 chance of winning at this point!
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Old 2020-08-23, 11:11   Link #638
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No, he doesn't.

https://projects.economist.com/us-20...cast/president

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
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Old 2020-08-23, 18:55   Link #639
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Indeed.

Just mentioning this for anyone who doesn't follow this closely but for the 538 model, that's their prediction for the actual election that's has many days to go, not if the election was tomorrow. They said that if they took the current poll numbers and ran the model as if it was just before the election Biden had a 92% chance of winning, or something. So the reason it's the current numbers are not higher for Biden is because they assume there's still plenty of time for things to shift and it's not like the current situation is locked in. Biden losing from his current lead wouldn't be unprecedented.

That being said, given how low the number of undecideds are and given how strong many voters are to motivated to vote Trump out, I'd be surprised if Biden ever loses his lead unless something really crazy happens.
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Old 2020-08-23, 19:03   Link #640
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The issue is the USPS sabotage and the impact it could have on Biden voters, plus general vote suppression and intimidation (as we saw in places like GA in the midterms) turned up to 11 by Trump. If this were a free and fair election there's no question Biden would win, but it won't be. And even if he does Trump will refuse to accept the results, assuming he doesn't try to cancel the election before it even happens.
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