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Old 2020-09-14, 15:17   Link #721
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As for things after the election, a lot will depend on the margin of victory. If the GOP lose the Senate and bunch of governorships as well as the overall popular vote by a large margin... then it's unlikely they'll try the same tactic. Of course, that doesn't mean they'll take a sensible pill - their overall platform has been a mess for some time.
I think the margin does not matter when he already said the last election had three million fraudulent votes, he will simply does not recognize the results, whehter he wins or loses.

As for what he will do when he loses, he will obviously pull a nixon and make a deal for not being prosecuted for his multiple crimes in exchange for boarding an helicopter that will extract him from the white house. The difference is that he will no doubt do as the actual Mexico president, who for twelve years did not recognized the results (where he lost) and was in a never ending campaign to get elected. The difference is that trump will be in a campaign to get re-elected. Lets face it, everyone at the gop are wimps, no matter how much they dislike him, they will elect him ever and over as their candidate out of fear of him defecting and making his own trump party (which atm would represent imo at least 80% of the gop votes).
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Old 2020-09-14, 15:30   Link #722
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BREAKING: Trump Agrees To 4 Hour Joe Rogan Moderated Debate w Biden!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnUfahWHKwc


Another reason than the Biden camp might nt want to do it, they might think than Biden would be unable to do a 4 hours debate.
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Old 2020-09-14, 16:01   Link #723
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I think long format podcast-type thing is easier and more relaxed than the usual lightning round TV production.

I doubt it'll happen, would be dope though.
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Old 2020-09-14, 17:51   Link #724
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I think the margin does not matter when he already said the last election had three million fraudulent votes, he will simply does not recognize the results, whehter he wins or loses.

As for what he will do when he loses, he will obviously pull a nixon and make a deal for not being prosecuted for his multiple crimes in exchange for boarding an helicopter that will extract him from the white house. The difference is that he will no doubt do as the actual Mexico president, who for twelve years did not recognized the results (where he lost) and was in a never ending campaign to get elected. The difference is that trump will be in a campaign to get re-elected. Lets face it, everyone at the gop are wimps, no matter how much they dislike him, they will elect him ever and over as their candidate out of fear of him defecting and making his own trump party (which atm would represent imo at least 80% of the gop votes).
538 currently give Biden a 30 in 100 chance of a "landslide" victory (double digit margin). Wouldn't that be enough?
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Old 2020-09-14, 22:57   Link #725
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A part of me really does wonder if trump is trying to lose. He’s just trying to set it up so that he doesn’t have to admit he actually lost. He’ll cast doubt on the results if he does using “voter fraud”. Try to “fight” it and then step down in the last month so pence can pardon him for anything he’ll claim to be falsely prosecuted againSt after he loses the protection of the presidency. Only scanner is his voter base refuses to give up on him.

Not even sure if he initially wanted to actually end up president, just get the recognition that he could. Now he’s stuck not being able to run things like he would a business and wants an out the won’t hurt his pride and ego. And helps him retain the support of his base for the sake of his business.
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Old 2020-09-14, 23:33   Link #726
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Pence can't pardon him for anything that's not a federal crime.

Trump will never give up the legal shield and massive profit potential of the presidency by choice. He's already declared his intention to ignore the constitution and seek a 3rd term if he "wins", and Stone publicly urged him to suspend the constitution and declare his own absolute power if he loses.
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Old 2020-09-15, 00:44   Link #727
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If he does, there will be a fight. The Constitution is THE LAW of the land. Even the President don't have the power to suspend it and the military's oath is to the Constitution, not the President.
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Old 2020-09-15, 01:17   Link #728
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If he does, there will be a fight. The Constitution is THE LAW of the land. Even the President don't have the power to suspend it and the military's oath is to the Constitution, not the President.
Great. Do any of the people you mentioned remember that?
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Old 2020-09-15, 01:23   Link #729
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Great. Do any of the people you mentioned remember that?
The sad truth is that we're finding out a lot of the "safeguards" supposedly built in to the constitution are based on the honor system. And since the centers of power at the moment obviously have no honor, well...

Democracies always have laws to protect democracy. Wannabe dictators ignore them. If no one stops them, the democracy dies. That's how it works.
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Old 2020-09-15, 03:09   Link #730
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Every US veteran I have encountered so far were its come up remembers that their oath is to the Constitution. The President is the Commander in Chief, but not the one the military is sworn too. Presidents come and go. The Constitution remains.
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Old 2020-09-15, 03:21   Link #731
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Hitler and Putin won free and fair elections at first.
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Old 2020-09-15, 03:23   Link #732
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True. Neither country had much history, nor traditions of democracy prior to their elections either.

Not saying it can't happen in the United States, but we have a lot of firewalls in place with our traditions.
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Old 2020-09-15, 06:30   Link #733
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The only other problem there is that I believe one of the Top Brass in the US Military explicitly stated they're going to have no part in something that would be purely political.

The other long-shot hope that I have is even if Trump manages win, that enough of the House remains Blue and enough of the Senate gets flipped that he would not only get impeached (for a second time!) but also convicted. The only problem is apparently how down-ballot voting tends yo play out: supposedly, whichever party you vote for at the top tends to remain the same down the rest of the ballot. Not sure how true this actually is.
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Old 2020-09-15, 06:33   Link #734
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Aside from the fact that a Trump "win" would mean enough of the Democratic vote was suppressed or outright stolen that they'd never take back the Senate, conviction requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate. And that will never, never happen.
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Old 2020-09-15, 14:25   Link #735
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He's already declared his intention to ignore the constitution and seek a 3rd term if he "wins"
If you actually believe this all I can do is suggest you stop drinking your own koolaid.

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Old 2020-09-15, 17:16   Link #736
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Questionable hysterectomies and shoddy COVID care alleged at Georgia immigrant detention center

Holy shit, its straight up genocide now.
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Old 2020-09-15, 21:04   Link #737
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Eugenics is a favorite tool of most fascist governments.
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Old 2020-09-15, 21:22   Link #738
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Hitler and Putin won free and fair elections at first.
Hitler lost elections. He was never truly voted in. He rode his chancellor position to suppress opposition.
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Old 2020-09-15, 21:25   Link #739
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Hitler lost elections. He was never truly voted in. He rode his chancellor position to suppress opposition.
Factually untrue. They won a clear plurality of seats in the 1932 election, which is what happens in most parliamentary elections where multiple parties contest seats and winning a majority is practically very difficult.
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Old 2020-09-16, 05:58   Link #740
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What do you guys think of Trump's performance in that ABC Town Hall Event?
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