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Old 2020-09-12, 12:53   Link #1041
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It was said at the time that this might be temporary and fortunately for the vaccine trial it was:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54132066
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Old 2020-09-14, 13:23   Link #1042
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It was said at the time that this might be temporary and fortunately for the vaccine trial it was
Unfortunately, we can only monitor for acute side effects. We will not know the lingering after effects and side effects 1, 5, 10+ years down the road after a vaccine comes out.

Until my hospital mandates that we have to get the vaccine, I'll be steering far away from this vaccine. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for vaccines or prevention, but in science, you never want to rush something.
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Old 2020-09-16, 09:36   Link #1043
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"made in a lab" theory is back in play: https://archive.org/details/the-yan-report

From my reading of this, it's a more robust argument than the one made by Indian researchers back in April. The observations about restriction sites are especially sharp.

I still want to see a response from the scientific community before making up my mind, though. Dr. Yan (lead author of this paper) is somebody with a serious axe to grind against the CCP, and she's part of a non-profit organization that probably receives money from Steve Bannon. So it could be total propaganda.
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Old 2020-09-16, 18:26   Link #1044
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From my reading of this, it's a more robust argument than the one made by Indian researchers back in April. The observations about restriction sites are especially sharp.
My very personal opinion is that "might have" is not sufficient proof.

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I still want to see a response from the scientific community before making up my mind,
If covid19 has shown something is that the scientific community is like a herd of cats (as in, do not expect leadership, that is a politicians jobs), no scientist is going to say there is a silver bullet unless they have the silver bullet in their hands (and have had the time, money and enthusiasm to do the necesary tests).

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though. Dr. Yan (lead author of this paper) is somebody with a serious axe to grind against the CCP, and she's part of a non-profit organization that probably receives money from Steve Bannon. So it could be total propaganda.
IMO the simple fact that she is living in the USA makes me suspicious that she could be looking to get a green card (or citizenship) as a reward from making this statements. Yeah, I do not think the trump administration is beyond of such tactics.
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Old 2020-09-27, 18:58   Link #1045
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Didn't have to wait long for the debunk: https://www.centerforhealthsecurity....sponse-yan.pdf

Answers all my questions to satisfaction, and has many more nitpicks and alternate hypotheses besides. I'm happy with how they stuck to the science instead of going for character assassination.
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Old 2020-10-02, 00:34   Link #1046
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Trump's aide Hope Hicks has the virus. And Trump and his wife have it too.
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Old 2020-10-02, 00:41   Link #1047
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Or they say they do. This can only help him politically so who knows.
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Old 2020-10-02, 01:53   Link #1048
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Old 2020-10-02, 02:05   Link #1049
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So the 2nd debate between Trump and Biden will either be pushed back or be cancelled since they have to stay in quarantine for two weeks.
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Old 2020-10-02, 03:12   Link #1050
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Four and a half weeks to the election.
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Old 2020-10-02, 08:33   Link #1051
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Surprised it took him this long to get it.

Apparently Biden's test came up negative.
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Old 2020-10-02, 18:02   Link #1052
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So this is the stuff Trump is taking.

Seems pretty safe, complications from antibody therapies are negligible compared to standard drugs. And if done right, it's very effective.

The problem is, it's pretty high-tech, and takes a lot of resources to design and produce, and scaling up production is also a big challenge. That's why antibody therapies have mostly been used on cancer until now - the thing needs to make a lot of money to recoup the heavy investments, and there's usually little money to be made from curing infectious disease.

Thanks to the pressure from this pandemic, companies have now had the funding to make these therapies for COVID. But even then, it's difficult, since every time an antibody is changed or added to the mix, they need new patents, new clinical trials, new FDA approval..

In an ideal world, these therapies could make for a system to automatically generate cures for new infectious diseases. Just need to sequence the B-Cell genes from a recovered patient, have a computer sort them out, do some gene transfer magic, and finally some mechanized bio reactor cranks out the antibodies. The experience from this pandemic might be a stepping stone towards that.
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Old 2020-10-04, 14:35   Link #1053
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Some individuals have pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV2.

That's been speculated well before, but direct evidence has now been produced.
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Old 2020-10-04, 15:18   Link #1054
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It also could be said that some people have preexisting weakness to the disease:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...id-19-patients

Where I live, deaths by covid19 of people with no pre-existing conditions (old age is not considered one) is about 20%.
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Old 2020-10-07, 21:47   Link #1055
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I guess the Republicans and Trump's staff do enjoy that kool aid.

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Old 2020-10-19, 15:48   Link #1056
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Covid-19 and Public Health: A Message from Crash Course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4rcv3p7AYg

Hopefully, this might helpat least someone.
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Old 2020-10-21, 03:28   Link #1057
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It also could be said that some people have preexisting weakness to the disease:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...id-19-patients

Where I live, deaths by covid19 of people with no pre-existing conditions (old age is not considered one) is about 20%.
I've actually been hearing another version that has some... rather damning consequences, I think.

Around the beginning, I think there was a question of if blood types have any effect on the virus. Turns out, there's more substantial evidence of this. Basically, while ANYONE can still get Covid, it turns out that those with A or AB type blood are going to experience worse symptoms than someone with O type blood.
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Old 2020-10-21, 07:04   Link #1058
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That needs more peer review. I am skeptical

AB has No antibodies
O has both antibodies for A and B antigen
I don’t know why A is more at risk than B

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Old 2020-10-21, 15:47   Link #1059
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That needs more peer review. I am skeptical

AB has No antibodies
O has both antibodies for A and B antigen
I don’t know why A is more at risk than B

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I am curious about that but I think than it might be possible, blood type is said to have a impact with malaria so it's still a possibility.
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Old 2020-10-26, 08:34   Link #1060
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Well Trump has apparently admitted that they give up on controlling Covid. They apparently are just going to pray a vaccine eventually appears. Oh but he still wants you to vote for him anyway. Because he's like an amazing leader or something.

"We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas," is what White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said. Way to go Trump administration. Way to go.

It's called sarcasm for a reason folks.
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