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No early releases for NT1 either back in March... I guess we're hunkering in the bunker till Wednesday. Quote:
With training, anybody can do that- it doesn't make them special, the only thing special about that is how they learn and that is through the network like Matrix. Quote:
Hound Dogs... Don't even have 1000 trial and error, but fair enough. Information is one thing, experience is another, and the sisters clearly have more experience dealing with Accelerator than what Hound Dogs have. The Imoutos could learn to defeat Hound Dog and other military group... But how many clones do you think it would take? The lessons learned from fighting Accelerator does not translate to fighting mercenaries, while Hound Dogs are trained to handle 'normal' situations as oppose to 'abnormal' situations like Accelerator. Quote:
Apparently the common belief is that Mikoto hasn't been doing anything important in the series and how the Imoutos are more important. I pointed out that technically the Imoutos aren't doing anything important aside from existing and therefore by that line of thinking Mikoto is also important by simply existing. Then it was brought up that Mikoto had stopped total global nuclear disaster, which even before this, people have been saying that it isn't important compare to what other people (three protagonists) are doing. So if saving the world from nuclear disaster isn't worth mentioning, why should the Imoutos get credit from 'putting in good effort'? If apparently everything Mikoto did in the story is considered unimportant, what makes anything the Imoutos do any better when the best thing they've done is to play the victims?
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2011-08-08, 04:21 | Link #12444 | |
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Your point is valid. And frankly, whether or not they've done anything relevant for the series is really up up to the masses. People remember the 'super awesome' stuff but fail to give credit where it's due. What I did here was merely point out that as fellow fans of the series, we should give the less respected characters their dues. Which is why I started the argument that the SISTERS have been shown to be competent in their own right. As for Mikoto, she's had more screentime and relevance than the titular character Index. I think she's had her share of the glory, in my opinion. On a parting note, since I would prefer not to derail the thread further - the 10,000 SISTERS apparently died because they ALL the tactics against Accelerator failed. The tactics became more and more lethal because, well, you know, it's Accelerator. The fact is, they didn't know jack about Accelerator. During the introductory scene in the Light Novels, Accelerator only reveals then what his ability is and what he can do with it. The later fights show the SISTERs attempting to test the limits of his Vector Change and 10032 tries to suffocate him. While 10,000 SISTERS died, I do recall that in the manga, Accelerator apparently one-shotted the first Misaka Clone he was up against. I presume that is why he actually talks with them. One part because he wants to assure himself that they're all emotionless puppets, the other because he's plain bored. The Hound Dogs, on the other hand, had all the information on Accelerator and they had Kihara Amata to the boot. They still got wiped out despite Accelerator being half crippled and on borrowed time at that. Furthermore, they did it as a group and still failed. The Imouto's are trained in conventional military tactics. It was clearly stated that they gained these knowledge through the Testament machine. Thus, they are probably as well trained as say... Anti-Skill or possibly even better, since an Imouto was able to pilot a VOTL craft with no issues. They had to think out of the box to combat Accelerator because he was practically invulnerable. In a sense, they can take on Hound Dogs and any other organisation. They have the knowledge and the skills, which were demonstrated in the Novels. They're just not as... well, funded as Hound Dog or Anti-Skill. Furthermore, I beg to differ. The lessons learnt from fighting Accelerator have apparently meant that the Sisters now view our definition of 'Overkill' as merely 'more force'. Since 10032 apparently thought that bringing out a rifle to hunt down Last Order for her goggles was normal. You could see it like this - Wheras before you use a Sniper Rifle... Now, you use a Sniper Rifle and set explosives around the entrance in the event it misses and have a car ready to run the person down if he makes a break for it. |
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2011-08-08, 04:23 | Link #12445 | ||
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I too do not want to derail this any further, especially since we're going around in circles, but this is one point-
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As a fellow NS-man, you should know that I can tell you 100 stories about field camp, but nothing can prepare you for that 2am fast march in pitch-black, or that first time you ate beans from a plastic bag in a hole you've just dug that may or may not protect you from 'arty'. Quote:
But that importance is base on one factor only- Aleister's Plan. Why are we using this as the sole- or rather 'main' factor to determine one's importance? The Toaruverse is so pack with many stories and POVs that why are we limiting ourselves to only one? Can we say for sure that Aleister's Plan is the be-all-that-ends-all ? Hell, we don't even know what it is!
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2011-08-08, 04:42 | Link #12446 | |
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Knowledge does not equate experience, true. But being in NS should have told you that knowledge is a powerful tool that is used to decide the fine line between victory and loss. Knowing about the terrain, what the enemy has, what weapons they use, the conventional tactics they employ and their mindset... all these are an important part of warfare. |
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(^At this point we should stop before we continue to derail)
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2011-08-08, 04:58 | Link #12448 |
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But that's still pure knowledge. I learn Karate and I'm a blackbelt. But when I got into a real fight, I ended up hurting just as much as my opponents because while I know how to fight them off, I was not prepared for bruised muscles due to skin contact, etc. Knowing something does not equate to experience. He developed Vector Change but the rest were still innovations by Accelerator, like the tornado attack. He merely applied that knowledge in a brutally practical fashion and understood that since Accelerator required complex calculations, you can simply throw a wrench in it. And the Hound Dogs had that kind of knowledge behind them. And if you do want to get down and dirty with the whole knowledge vs experience thing... You should read the reports where US invaded Iraq and tell me if that wasn't a excellent use of knowledge. Knowledge is just as important as experience. Both are essential to one another, anyway. Ok, this is where I stop, since I apparently can't convince you of anything else anyway. And I have a headache, good sir. So peace. We're still friends, right? In any case, NT2 is due when? |
2011-08-08, 05:29 | Link #12450 | |
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1) Stiyl Magnus 2) Mark Space 3) Kamijou Touma 4) Uiharu Kazari Titles refer to Stiyl SS, Mark Space special chapter, Mars SS and Uiharu SS respectively. |
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