2011-02-01, 17:08 | Link #662 |
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AuraTwilight: What exactly is your explanation? (Why did Shannon start doing it in the first place? Which murders were faked, what did various characters think was faked, and so on?)
Shkannon is a BIG claim. (Shannon has been doing double duty for some years, and nobody's noticed? She hasn't slipped up by using the wrong voice or letting her wig slip once?)
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2011-02-01, 17:26 | Link #663 | ||
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I don't think the story would have changed even marginally if this bit never existed. On the other hand for worse or good it can't be denied that the effect of shkanon in this story is very pervasive especially starting from EP6. As for being ridiculous, we don't even know if this is a fictional shkanon, a real shkanon or who knows what else. And we probably will never know. So as long as I can agree that the whole idea without a proper explanation sounds ridiculous, I'm not even sure what kind of stuff I can actually call ridiculous. Whatever you are considering ridiculous witchfan is at best an assumption. As a side note the fact that Rudolf managed to buy every person involved with Kyrie's delivery at the hospital simply showing some bankrolls sounds a bit meh, to me. I suppose it's not impossible, but it's Japan we are talking about not some kind of third world country, I don't think there are that many doctors and nurses willing to compromise their career and their public image for something like that.
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2011-02-01, 17:36 | Link #664 | |
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By the way, this is why I don't respect your objections to Ryukishi's writing, if you're going to deliberate abuse the text like this to make a point. Quote:
Which murders were faked and the like I'm not entirely certain: I'm positive that the entire first twilight is faked as part of a murder mystery game setup, and then a real murderer hijacks things and fucks it up. For Shkanon specifically, Shannon's death is faked and Hideyoshi is in on it as part of the script. Then Kanon fakes his death or dies for real, depending on your theory. Second arc, Kanon fakes his death and becomes Shannon. Shannon then dies for real. Third arc, they both fake their deaths, allowing for their "Resurrections" before George and Jessica. They die. Fourth Arc, Shannon becomes Beatrice, is unsatisfied with Battler's answer, and suicide death pacts with Maria or something. Why nobody noticed: Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are in on it. Gohda doesn't really pay attention to them and isn't always there, Krauss is busy with business and doesn't associate with the servants much, Natsuhi fucking talks to dead and imaginary people, and Jessica's not all that bright and is horny for Kanon's boner besides. Everyone else has the excuse of only being there once a year or whatever. Quote:
Even though it's a done to death trope that's fairly pervasive.
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2011-02-01, 18:04 | Link #668 | ||
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2011-02-01, 18:32 | Link #671 | ||
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[Edit 2: my retarded self thought Witch Hunt's script file was in a format human eyes could read. Long story short I don't have the game installed, so this may very well be my bad memory. If so - I drop the Kanon is burned corpse theory*. Lol. * I see no problem with actual-Kanon being dead assuming fictional Kanon. However, the problem is that if we assume fictional Kanon, we must also assume that the corpse belongs to someone else, or Kanon would be considered a 'magical entity', which Battler should have the ability to see past. One way to get out of this predicament is to assume fictional Kinzo corpse... but I'll admit that's at least as ridiculous Shkanon.] Quote:
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You're really overblowing things. Shkanon isn't THAT bad. How come you're fine with Rosa keeping custody of her daughter after beating up a social worker, but you can't believe that someone can crossdress and trick once-a-year visitors, a negligent servant, a distant businessman, a delusional housewife, and a horny, dense, and overly trusting teenager?
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2011-02-01, 20:06 | Link #674 | ||
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Uh uh, no. Even if Shkanon is bad, it IS still a subjective viewpoint in writing that is still technically sound. You can dislike his writing and criticize the CONTENT of his writing all you want, but I'm not gonna settle for someone calling his writing literally and objectively incorrect or such nonsense.
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2011-02-01, 20:10 | Link #675 |
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All it takes for the facade to fall apart is to have Natsuhi come in one day and say " need to have Kanon and Shannon together to prep them on what needs to be done ", or Jessica going "Ive literally never seen you with Shannon together at the same time in the two years that I've known you despite you both working as trusted servants. I mean I see Genji and Kumasawa together all the time but...".
Suspension of disbelief, here's an excerpt from the wiki page : Most see the enjoyment of many B-grade science fiction films and television series such as the early series of Doctor Who, where the audience willingly ignores low-budget "cheesy" props and occasional plot holes, in order to engage fully with the enjoyable story — which may be more so for those additions to its inherent outrageousness. I cant lie, this story was very enjoyable even after it starts to lose steam. I willingly suspended my disbelief in terms of the meta world. I accepted that it could exist as it made the story more enjoyable. But that something like my example never occurred in the span of 2 years seem so urghhhhh. |
2011-02-01, 20:13 | Link #676 | |
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Not to mention they have different duties around the place so they don't have much opportunity to be next to each other unless Something Big is going on.
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2011-02-01, 20:21 | Link #678 |
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That and Genji handles the Schedules according to Episode 7, not Natsuhi.
My Take: It was fun to call Shkanon ridiculous when it wasn't canon, but not anymore when it's practically in your face. I mean Shkanon is just, meh, for me at this point. Not really worthy of my distaste, or praise for cleverness. It's ridiculousness, and silliness, relies upon how much you care about it IMO.
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2011-02-01, 20:29 | Link #680 | |
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Even in the family conference situations "Ok you two, those uncouth ingrates will be arriving to the island in about 3 hours so this is the plan" I mean, they had to do something like this if they where trying to keep Kinzo's death a secret to the other family members. |
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