Never7 translation

[VDZ]

That timeline's source seems to be this picture:

Spoiler for Alternative infinity timeline? (Japanese):

I have no idea where it's from. Since I have no other ways to reach him, I tried contacting kgptzac through a PM here, hoping he gets e-mail alerts for it (as he hasn't been here since January 2011), asking for the source of that image.

[Kaos!]

IIRC, the original Infinity Timeline was included in the PS2 version of R11, in order to at least attempt to answer some question that they could not in the VN. Later on, the updated version of Infinity Timeline in the release of R11 for PSP.

The release of PSP version of the Infinity Series involved Nakazawa(who was the scenerio planner/director for R11), so I would trust the updated portion in the timeline for matters in regards to R11 as the word of god. However, the scenerio planner for E17 and N7 was Uchikoshi, and he was not involved in the release for the PSP. I'm not sure if Uchikoshi's opinion was asked with the changes to N7 timeline, so the removal of "Izumi wiping evidence" might just be Nakazawa's own idea.

Also on a side note, included inside was also notes from the staffs. Apparantly according to the chinese forums(bbs.kidfanschannel.net) who translated them, the staffs were hinting at anticipating the failure of this project and were pointing fingers. Things such as Uchikoshi Koutarou using the name of "槻潮鋼" instead of his real name "打越鋼太郎"(I don't think he ever used the name "槻潮鋼" ever again). If someone can dig out the contents that were included inside the original release of R11 to verify what was said, it would be great.

[darx]

Wich route should i play first? i don't want to spoil too much too early

[GundamAce]

You should play Yuka's Route first.

[Mcfart]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

You should play Yuka's Route first.

I agree, but I don't.

Yuka's route is the best one besides the true end, so it's a good way to start, but in my case, after doing Yuka's route, the other routes felt like mostly filler (there's information in them, but they're mostly romance, and after playing Yuka's route, they won't seem as interesting).

In retrospect, I probably would have done Haruka then Kurumi or Saki's, to get them out of the way.

Also, just finished the game, and

Spoiler for Never7 End Spoilers:

Cure B's ending felt kind of abrupt. First of all, I understand that Makoto was having a delusion to obtain an ending where "Izumi doesn't die" and then went back to the real world, BUT is he having delusions during the other storylines where he never hears about Cure? Yuka's was heavily implying that the bells were the cause of time travel, and since I did that one first, I thought that's how they were all doing it, but he never "goes back" to the real world, but instead just goes on to the 7th. Was Makoto in dreamworld during everyone's storylines, or just Izumi's?
Also, is Yuka's cure route worth doing? I've read a bit and it's pretty droll, since it's just the same thing but in Yuka's POV....is there anything really new?

All in all, it was a good VN, but was hoping for a Coco-like Route to blow my mind and was sadly disappointed

Oh yeah 1 more question:

Spoiler for More N7 Spoilers:

In Yuka and Izumi's routes, they both had their memories. Why was this?

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by Mcfart

I agree, but I don't.

Yuka's route is the best one besides the true end, so it's a good way to start, but in my case, after doing Yuka's route, the other routes felt like mostly filler (there's information in them, but they're mostly romance, and after playing Yuka's route, they won't seem as interesting).

In retrospect, I probably would have done Haruka then Kurumi or Saki's, to get them out of the way.

Also, just finished the game, and

Spoiler for Never7 End Spoilers:

Cure B's ending felt kind of abrupt. First of all, I understand that Makoto was having a delusion to obtain an ending where "Izumi doesn't die" and then went back to the real world, BUT is he having delusions during the other storylines where he never hears about Cure? Yuka's was heavily implying that the bells were the cause of time travel, and since I did that one first, I thought that's how they were all doing it, but he never "goes back" to the real world, but instead just goes on to the 7th. Was Makoto in dreamworld during everyone's storylines, or just Izumi's?
Also, is Yuka's cure route worth doing? I've read a bit and it's pretty droll, since it's just the same thing but in Yuka's POV....is there anything really new?

All in all, it was a good VN, but was hoping for a Coco-like Route to blow my mind and was sadly disappointed

Oh yeah 1 more question:

Spoiler for More N7 Spoilers:

In Yuka and Izumi's routes, they both had their memories. Why was this?

Spoiler for Answers:

#1: Read the TIPS "Schrodinger's Cat" and "Vain Island". They may shed more light on the answer you're looking for.

#2: It was explained why in Izumi Cure why Izumi had her memories- because she saw Makoto on the verge of death, and so she wished to go back and change things, just like Makoto did. Her Cure Syndrome activated, and so she went into her own delusion, sharing it with Makoto... possibly.

Yuka's is a bit more complicated. My assumption was that Yuka was also afflicted with Cure Syndrome (and that the game "Never7" was actually Makoto and Yuka's simultaneous delusion), and so she had time traveled before Makoto did (hence why she bursts into his room in every route), but the information in the TIP "Schrodinger's Cat" contradicts this... except for in the Izumi Cure route.

I'd recommend reading Yuka Cure. There's a lot of new scenes, and they help do two things- explain Yuka's feelings for Makoto in greater detail, and give some more backstory on the boy Yuka loved. To see the latter, however, you have to go look for the bell first on Day 3.

[biar]

Question about Cure A ending

Spoiler:

What do the blank cards really mean? Since Makoto got all the right pair of cards in the 1st route. Right pair of cards = real / Blank cards = imagination? or the other way around?

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by biar

Question about Cure A ending

Spoiler:

What do the blank cards really mean? Since Makoto got all the right pair of cards in the 1st route. Right pair of cards = real / Blank cards = imagination? or the other way around?

Spoiler for Answer:

On Day 5 of the 2nd loop, Makoto desired strongly not to play cards. As a result, the cards became blank in order to fulfill his desire not to play. And unlike Makoto's other delusions, which got negated due to Izumi's actions, the cards were unaffected. This can mean one of two things in the Cure A Ending:

#1: Cure Syndrome really exists and rewrote reality so that Makoto's delusion of the blank cards became real.

#2: Makoto's still in a delusion at the end of Cure A.

[MCAL]

Spoiler for Spoiler for Never7:

Just finished playing Never7 (Well I still have to beat Izumi's route, but seeing as how nonsensicle it is, I think I'll state my opinions. It was not a bad game. Thank you GundamAce for your English translation. It read smooth and translated puns well. Only like a small handfull typos or so too. Going into this, I lowered my expectations considering Ever17. It wouldn't be fair as this came before and helped set up some of the plot for Ever17 too. Each route was interesting (The least interesting being Saki's) and the Izumi Cure route had some very decent plot twists (I personally shat bricks three times, although the third time started a point that was left unanswered.) Speaking of, that's my main problem. There were alot of unanswered questions. Granted this game will have me thinking for awhile, but I felt more could have been done. But as a first game of a series, it did pretty well. The graphics were pretty bad, but they were also colorful, so I can deal. Only one track of music was memorable, but they matched the atmosphere all the time. Voice acting is a plus, considering it was made in 2000. Most of the voice actors are veterens now and the ones that weren't have had a very long run as a famous anime character. I give it an 8 out of 10.

[MCAL]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Spoiler for Answer:

On Day 5 of the 2nd loop, Makoto desired strongly not to play cards. As a result, the cards became blank in order to fulfill his desire not to play. And unlike Makoto's other delusions, which got negated due to Izumi's actions, the cards were unaffected. This can mean one of two things in the Cure A Ending:

#1: Cure Syndrome really exists and rewrote reality so that Makoto's delusion of the blank cards became real.

#2: Makoto's still in a delusion at the end of Cure A.

Spoiler for Spoiler for Never7:

I agree with number 2. I have to admit the Ending A was quite abrupt and anticlimatic. I was under the impression this was Ending B for a while, until credits roll and I was left with a what the f*ck feeling. But that changed when I saw Ending B and rewatched Ending A carefully. The real true ending of the Cure Route is B, because when Makato wished for a different reality, it was to save Izumi. He kept going on and on with no real knowledge and sometimes his way of going through the events caused him to focus on a different girl entirely. In the end he would save them, causing April 7th to happen, but because he didn't fix what brought him to that delusion in the first place, he would try to create a real reality. This is my way of making all routes canon of course, so I can't be sure. However, the reason Ending A is false is because Makoto wished to safe Izumi's life. Her death (and his) being caused by falling off a cliff. However, in doing that only Izumi's life could be saved as falling off a cliff would result in a least one death, so if not Izumi then him. Another concreate reason that Ending A is a delusion is Haruka who was nothing more then a specter beofre Makoto made the choice to save Izumi. Since he did that and both of them lived which should be impossible, it resulted in another delusional world and everything that happened was explained away by coincidences. Ending B is correct as saving Izumi brought him back to the real reality which was fall from cliff, but saved Izumi's life instead. The bottle of star sand is proof that this is real because to Makoto it was a symbol for his connection to Izumi and something that stayed with him as all the delusional worlds came back into a new reality as they should be.

Well, that was long, so since I am here I might as well put something else out there. I believe Yuka's route can be explained properly. When he and Yuka die, Makoto's wish was that he wouldn't hesitate top save Yuka. This is different from the others in that Makoto wasn't specific in his belief as he wanted to protect Yuka right away and not necessarily save her life. This belief was so strong, that it rewrote temporarily what caused the delusions in the first place. If we assume that Yuka is also affected by cure (a fact we can most likely prove since she always comes into the room from her dream regardless of which route is going on as well as the Yuka Cure story). So in the second history, Makoto ends up not hesitating to save her. Now he believes that reacting fast would save Yuka's life, but since his belief that caused the new delusion was not specific in saving Yuka, the Cure Syndrome had to compensate by bringing Makoto and Yuka back safely to April 7th. Of course this ends up being a delusion, since in reality Makoto never really saved Yuka's life or his own (Nor Izumi's for that matter).

Another theory I have is that Haruka is in reality the little sister of Izumi and that Kurumi is actually the clone. I believe this is caused by the delusion of Izumi affected by the cure syndrome. She actually feels both guilt and doubt. Gulit that she treaetd the clone of her sister badly and doubt of her little sister's true origins. Further inquires into the matters result in an obessession and a desire to rid herself of the painful emotions she feels. This desire causes Izumi to create an delusion in which Haruka and Kurumi switch places in which she can sucessfully sort out these feelings. Izumi now believes that Haruka is the clone and Kurumi is real. However the reality is that Haruka is the true sister, which would explain why she is older and Kurumi is the clone which is why she is younger. Of course, Izumi deludes that Kurumi is younger than she should be when most likely in reality 17 should be the real age as Dr. Morino cloned much later than what Izumi believes. Naturally during the cure route as Makoto and her become content that the second history is reality causing the reality to manifest. Izumi calls Haruka her real little sister and Izumi first mentions Haruka when she refers to the star sand again. Because of Makoto's delusion though he believes Izumi mixed up the two and to make that reality, there are now two star sands. Kurumi no longer has a scar on her back since the reality is that she is the clone and Haruka most likely has a scar on her back. As to the forehead scar, we are unable to see the forehead so we don't know if its there or whether it even exists or not. As Makoto and Izumi start to believe in the delusion again, but are left unsure, reality and delusion clash causing Haruka to be seen as a specter as she is neither the little sister of Izumi nor the clone of Izumi's little sister. Of course, we will never know what actually is ture as Ending A is an illusion and Ending B the reality Haruka and Kurumi are nowhere to be seen. Of course this theory is a little more shaky as it relies more on assumption and shaky logic. It also require you wirte of some of the timeline as part of the delsuion and you ust decide if events after that are part of Ending A or Ending B. However, there is a lot of concrete and unexplainable evidence to support this and since Kurumi's route, I had the fealing time travel didin't exist and there was a scientific reason for all these events. This was latter true as seen in the Cure Syndrome and the various coincidences cemented by suspicions more. Well, maybe even what I am saying is nothing, but a delusion.

I hope you can read this GundamAce and others. It is long, but I felt it explains alot.

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by MCAL

Spoiler for Spoiler for Never7:

Just finished playing Never7 (Well I still have to beat Izumi's route, but seeing as how nonsensicle it is, I think I'll state my opinions. It was not a bad game. Thank you GundamAce for your English translation. It read smooth and translated puns well. Only like a small handfull typos or so too. Going into this, I lowered my expectations considering Ever17. It wouldn't be fair as this came before and helped set up some of the plot for Ever17 too. Each route was interesting (The least interesting being Saki's) and the Izumi Cure route had some very decent plot twists (I personally shat bricks three times, although the third time started a point that was left unanswered.) Speaking of, that's my main problem. There were alot of unanswered questions. Granted this game will have me thinking for awhile, but I felt more could have been done. But as a first game of a series, it did pretty well. The graphics were pretty bad, but they were also colorful, so I can deal. Only one track of music was memorable, but they matched the atmosphere all the time. Voice acting is a plus, considering it was made in 2000. Most of the voice actors are veterens now and the ones that weren't have had a very long run as a famous anime character. I give it an 8 out of 10.

Thank you!

About those unanswered questions you may have, feel free to ask, I'm sure I can help out. However...

Spoiler for End-game spoilers:

The game's main theme is that you ultimately interpret the truth and decide for yourself what the truth is, and that your "truth" is the correct answer. Just like Cure Syndrome/Schrodinger's cat, "you decide the past".

Naturally, this means that any of the routes can be canon. Whichever one you want to be canon is canon.

Oh, and I'll be sure to give your other post a close examination. However, be sure to read all of the TIPS.

EDIT: Read it. Well, here's my interpretation of the Cure B Ending.

Spoiler for Cure B Ending:

Here's how I interpret the Cure B Ending- Cure Syndrome does exist. Like Izumi said, as soon as Makoto ends up saving Izumi's life on the 6th, he returns to the real world (that is, April 6th), with the six days in the second loop of Izumi Cure becoming reality, and the "infinite loop" becoming a real event as well. However, because Makoto erased Kurumi's scar and the shrine, Haruka really was erased from existence. In the Cure A Ending, this was averted because Makoto encouraged Izumi to tell Haruka and Kurumi the truth, therefore establishing that Kurumi's past really did happen. As a result, this negated Makoto's desires to erase Kurumi's scar and the shrine. However, this had no impact on his desire not to play cards, hence the blank cards at the end.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that with Haruka erased from history, the six days that Makoto experienced changed due to the lack of Haruka's existence. Because Haruka never existed, Makoto and Izumi never went out to the road to look for her. However, Makoto still got injured saving Izumi's life, and so there was a need to recreate this in the "real history" Makoto returned to. As a result, history made it so that instead of Makoto getting injured while protecting Izumi from getting hit by a car, he got injured protecting Izumi from falling off the cliff. So yes, the Cure B Ending is reality.

I'm not fully sure about the star sand, but perhaps Makoto desired to keep it as a way not to forget about Haruka's existence, despite Haruka not existing in this new timeline.

[MCAL]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Thank you!

About those unanswered questions you may have, feel free to ask, I'm sure I can help out. However...

Spoiler for End-game spoilers:

The game's main theme is that you ultimately interpret the truth and decide for yourself what the truth is, and that your "truth" is the correct answer. Just like Cure Syndrome/Schrodinger's cat, "you decide the past".

Naturally, this means that any of the routes can be canon. Whichever one you want to be canon is canon.

Oh, and I'll be sure to give your other post a close examination. However, be sure to read all of the TIPS.

EDIT: Read it. Well, here's my interpretation of the Cure B Ending.

Spoiler for Cure B Ending:

Here's how I interpret the Cure B Ending- Cure Syndrome does exist. Like Izumi said, as soon as Makoto ends up saving Izumi's life on the 6th, he returns to the real world (that is, April 6th), with the six days in the second loop of Izumi Cure becoming reality, and the "infinite loop" becoming a real event as well. However, because Makoto erased Kurumi's scar and the shrine, Haruka really was erased from existence. In the Cure A Ending, this was averted because Makoto encouraged Izumi to tell Haruka and Kurumi the truth, therefore establishing that Kurumi's past really did happen. As a result, this negated Makoto's desires to erase Kurumi's scar and the shrine. However, this had no impact on his desire not to play cards, hence the blank cards at the end.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that with Haruka erased from history, the six days that Makoto experienced changed due to the lack of Haruka's existence. Because Haruka never existed, Makoto and Izumi never went out to the road to look for her. However, Makoto still got injured saving Izumi's life, and so there was a need to recreate this in the "real history" Makoto returned to. As a result, history made it so that instead of Makoto getting injured while protecting Izumi from getting hit by a car, he got injured protecting Izumi from falling off the cliff. So yes, the Cure B Ending is reality.

I'm not fully sure about the star sand, but perhaps Makoto desired to keep it as a way not to forget about Haruka's existence, despite Haruka not existing in this new timeline.

Spoiler for Spoiler for Never7:

Thanks for the reply. Your theory of Cure B makes much more sense. Still, I can't help clinging to this nagging feeling about my Haruka and Kurumi theory. It just popped into my head once and all the unsolved mysteries made my suspicion feel like the truth. I also beat Izumi's route a few minutes ago. Very funny. Lol'd hard when Saki called Okuhiko dipshit. But I'm left wondering if there was a point. Was this route even supossed to reveal anything. Also, what is the entry in the clear list after epilouge?

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by MCAL

Spoiler for Spoiler for Never7:

Thanks for the reply. Your theory of Cure B makes much more sense. Still, I can't help clinging to this nagging feeling about my Haruka and Kurumi theory. It just popped into my head once and all the unsolved mysteries made my suspicion feel like the truth. I also beat Izumi's route a few minutes ago. Very funny. Lol'd hard when Saki called Okuhiko dipshit. But I'm left wondering if there was a point. Was this route even supossed to reveal anything. Also, what is the entry in the clear list after epilouge?

Spoiler for Never7:

The Izumi Route was originally the fifth route in the game's original release, "Infinity" (which did not have the Izumi Cure and Yuka Cure routes). However, when Never7 came out, Izumi's route basically became obsolete, so it was unlocked last as a sort of easter egg. I treat it as non-canon, so it has no purpose in the overall story.

The entry is "PSX Epilogue", the epilogue from "Infinity" that we managed to include in this version. You unlock it by getting all the other endings. Then go to the Shortcut menu, where you'll see that the very last Shortcut has been unlocked and say "Alternate Epilogue". Select it, and you can view the PSX Epilogue.

[SyRenity]

Hi.

Any idea how to run the OGG version under Windows 8? Both original Jap and English CD are running fine, but OGG appears to be crashing.

I tried running both under Jap applocalle and XP3 compatibility mode - no luck.

Appreciate any advise to enjoy this great game!

[rogerpepitone]

I don't have Windows 8, so I was unable to test that combination.

[SyRenity]

Any logs I can provide you with to pin-point the issue?

[mef8]

Thanks for the translation it was pretty neat.