(CR) Re:Monster

[Tenzen12]

Because they don't need any guardians. They are in middle forest filled with monsters. They can't run away even if they had healthy brain and wanted.

[Bakaraiser0711]

they skip so much and on fast-forward they are censoring strange things watching this anime my respect for the Manga creator of this series increased so much maybe they should have given all that anime studio money to him he is doing a great job adapting to the source material as close as possible.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Because they don't need any guardians. They are in middle forest filled with monsters. They can't run away even if they had healthy brain and wanted.

You misunderstood. I'm not arguing that they are guests as if it is in doubt. I'm stating it as the fact it is and siting the more limited proof shown in the anime. Nothing Rou said in ep 2 was a lie. He told the goblins to keep their hands off them and to take care of them. The only thing he asked of them was about the humans. They are stuck there but Rou isn't forcing them to stay or do work. They could just leave but as you pointed out no sane person would as there they are protected and Rou doesn't currently have a way to get them home.

[Tenzen12]

But they can't leave. Not without escort and Rou only offered vague promise letting them go sometime in closely unspecified future. Thus yes, their guest status is very much in doubt. Anyway if you want dismiss multiple cases of brain damage as something normal, than be my guest and I will leave at that.

[frubam]

After watching ep 3 today, I thought the writing was fan-fictiony as hell(get more power-ups, find treasure vault no one has found before, having sex with all the girls, etc.), so I had to come here and get a different opinion on things. There are good discussions on both sides of the logic. As for my initial impressions, I also thought it was ridiculous how these women are flocking toward Gobrou in this episode to the point of having sex with him. It just seems unrealistic considering how they were acquired, even if Gobrou has been courteous towards them. After reading the comments here, I thought about it a bit deeper, but I still feel its ridiculous, almost unnatural. Then again, it depends on the hierarchy different races exist.

Initially, the goblins seemed like your typical goblins; they stole a batch of girls and those girls killed themselves, assuming they'd rather die than be baby factories. This made be believe they are considered typical goblins(akin to monsters) and that interactions between species(or at least goblins themselves) isn't a thing here. We know Gobrou is different, but he's still a goblin, so it feels unnatural for human women to want to sleep with him. Being comfortable is fine, but having sex seems a bit outlandish. But its hard to say if its outlandish in the context of the story's setting, because all of it has only been in the forest so far. Maybe its normal for human women to sleep with other races. But unless I see proof of that, I can't get on board with the idea. I mean, ALL of them wanted to have sex with him at the same time! That's not normal in any situation I can think of if they're normal people with regular job skills(alchemist, blacksmith, etc.).

The only other idea I can think of is that he used the skills he got from the dryad, and those had an effect, maybe a passive effect(similar to Tomoki in Tsukimichi, if you watch that one) and that had an influence in their behavior. But the redhead girl slept with him(no sex) in the last episode, so it feels less like the probable cause.

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Was a fun read at first, then became a bore when he became too overpowered. I enjoyed the struggles on the early parts of his evolution but when he got too much power it became super easy, barely an inconvenience for him. The later arcs became monotonous and uninteresting once he expanded his actions. We'll see how it goes I guess.

I'm starting to see why the veracity of this statement could become true for me.

[Lex79]

Well, we have plenty of series where the protagonist has an harem of demihumans or monster girls, so I don't really have a problem with the fact that human girls might be OK sleeping with an ogre that looks very similar to an handsome, muscular man.
Is it realistic? I'm not going to deny there is a fair amount of wish fulfillment here, but again I'm so used to the typical "you were kind to me so I'll love you forever" we often see in harems to really be surprised.
Actually, I checked this part in the manga, and

Spoiler for some details from the manga:

when the alchemist girl seduces him Goburou actually wonders if Stockholm syndrome/suspension bridge effect is at play or the girl has some ulterior motives like using her body to gain a favorable treatment, so the matter is addresseda bit at least. Of course, I don't expect this is going to lead to anything other than a confirmation that the girls are genuinely in love with the protagonist.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Lex79

Well, we have plenty of series where the protagonist has an harem of demihumans or monster girls, so I don't really have a problem with the fact that human girls might be OK sleeping with an ogre that looks very similar to an handsome, muscular man.
Is it realistic? I'm not going to deny there is a fair amount of wish fulfillment here, but again I'm so used to the typical "you were kind to me so I'll love you forever" we often see in harems to really be surprised.
Actually, I checked this part in the manga, and

Spoiler for some details from the manga:

when the alchemist girl seduces him Goburou actually wonders if Stockholm syndrome/suspension bridge effect is at play or the girl has some ulterior motives like using her body to gain a favorable treatment, so the matter is addresseda bit at least. Of course, I don't expect this is going to lead to anything other than a confirmation that the girls are genuinely in love with the protagonist.

Fair point. I may have been subconsciously thinking in terms of the usual goblin, and the usual depiction of them. They are usually categorized as being ugly, filthy beasts that only have males, steal women from other races, blah, blah, you know the rest. But they already subverted the usual trope by having women goblins amongst them(then why steal other women if this the case?). Then I can suppose he is considered handsome, even by human standards.

[Strahan]

Originally Posted by Lex79

Well, we have plenty of series where the protagonist has an harem of demihumans or monster girls, so I don't really have a problem with the fact that human girls might be OK sleeping with an ogre that looks very similar to an handsome, muscular man.

The interspecies thing wasn't what made me think it was weird. It was the fact that they are there against their will. Usually the harem protags will collect aren't formed of people who were kidnapped. Surprising, really, as you see slave harems pretty regularly. I guess buying/owning people is less problematic for Japanese fantasy writers versus using force to subdue them heh.

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Strahan

The interspecies thing wasn't what made me think it was weird. It was the fact that they are there against their will. Usually the harem protags will collect aren't formed of people who were kidnapped. Surprising, really, as you see slave harems pretty regularly. I guess buying/owning people is less problematic for Japanese fantasy writers versus using force to subdue them heh.

It's because the one who took their freedom and forced them into slavery (the bad guy) is not the MC but someone else. This firstly makes it easier for the audience to swallow and secondly makes it more reasonable for the girl to have positive feelings towards him, since he isn't really responsible for her bad situation and starts on neutral relationship with her, not hostile.

Incidentally, the same logic can be applied there. Ignoring whether the loss of freedom is a big thing for the girls or not (believe it or not, for most of human history freedom was not a right but a rare privilege), the MC is not the one responsible for their situation, but the one that pulled them out of horrible situation and did everything he could to make it decent for them.

Btw. everyone seems to be applying modern logic to the girls, but depending on emancipation of the society they might have MORE freedom to pursue whatever field they want to now than they used to in human society.

[kagato3]

An other thing to take into account is Rou in a bit oblivious to the fact just how damn charismatic he is and everything is told from his POV. First off once he became a hobgoblin he looks nearly identical to a younger version of himself from his past life with a different skin color. Second he is a natural womanizer. So while he says "I spent the day talking to the girl's" to their POV powerful hot guy has taken an interest in me and is talking about how good a wife I would be.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Rasty

It's because the one who took their freedom and forced them into slavery (the bad guy) is not the MC but someone else. This firstly makes it easier for the audience to swallow and secondly makes it more reasonable for the girl to have positive feelings towards him, since he isn't really responsible for her bad situation and starts on neutral relationship with her, not hostile.

Incidentally, the same logic can be applied there. Ignoring whether the loss of freedom is a big thing for the girls or not (believe it or not, for most of human history freedom was not a right but a rare privilege), the MC is not the one responsible for their situation, but the one that pulled them out of horrible situation and did everything he could to make it decent for them.

Btw. everyone seems to be applying modern logic to the girls, but depending on emancipation of the society they might have MORE freedom to pursue whatever field they want to now than they used to in human society.

I don't it should make easier for audience, at least not to part of audience think this situation through. Rou might not kidnapp them, but he keep them being kidnapped, which makes him complicit to degree.

Second thing is that it no make sense to apply medieval standard on Re:Monster world. One of girls is alchemist and other blacksmith which are both very top of their respective social classes. Neither would be possible without fair share emancipation (and in former case also high level of education) in this world and let's be honest before long we will definitely encounter one or two female knights/adventurers and get beach episode where all girls gonna wear modern two piece swimsuit.

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I don't it should make easier for audience, at least not to part of audience think this situation through. Rou might not kidnapp them, but he keep them being kidnapped, which makes him complicit to degree.

He has done nothing to "keep them kidnapped". As much as we (and more importantly the girls) know he promised them freedom and has no way to send them home, even if the girls wanted to (which not a single one has expressed to the moment) and had a place to return to.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Second thing is that it no make sense to apply medieval standard on Re:Monster world. One of girls is alchemist and other blacksmith which are both very top of their respective social classes. Neither would be possible without fair share emancipation (and in former case also high level of education) in this world and let's be honest before long we will definitely encounter one or two female knights/adventurers and get beach episode where all girls gonna wear modern two piece swimsuit.

I am not sure there are any beaches in the forest... As for social class, they might have had the knowledge from doing it as a hobby (alchemist) or more likely by learning tidbits from their parents. We don't know whether they could openly do the craft in human society nor whether it would be accepted or shunned. They certainly weren't highly valued if they were guarded so poorly that a group of goblins (+a few hobgoblins) could take out the whole caravan they were in.

[Tenzen12]

If he promised them freedom and didn't granted it to them yet, that means they don't have freedom. They were kidnapped and Rou didn't do anything to fix that (he gave them better living conditions but that's separate matter).

Alchemist herself have very high quality clothes and on top of that glasses, which is big deal. That means either she or her family has money and she certainly had higher living standard than she has now. Same goes for blacksmith girl to lesser degree, even if she wasn't career blacksmith than her father was and they were relatively well off.

On top of it they had resources and time do such things as hobby, that means they had very supportive family, which is something would want return to.Regardless there is no way those two in particular would have better live in goblin cave than they had before and certainly they have less freedom now.

Also there is no reason for Forrest not having beach.

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

If he promised them freedom and didn't granted it to them yet, that means they don't have freedom. They were kidnapped and Rou didn't do anything to fix that (he gave them better living conditions but that's separate matter).

I have been promised to get paid at work, but haven't been given my wage yet (since it isn't the end of the month). Should I sue my boss for robbery? And should everyone who was around the Empire State Building go to jail for not stopping the planes during 9/11? He hasn't fulfilled the promise yet but hasn't reneged on it in any way. He also simply is incapable of sending them home and he never hid this to get something from them. Neither of those makes him the offender.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Alchemist herself have very high quality clothes and on top of that glasses, which is big deal. That means either she or her family has money and she certainly had higher living standard than she has now. Same goes for blacksmith girl to lesser degree, even if she wasn't career blacksmith than her father was and they were relatively well off.

On top of it they had resources and time do such things as hobby, that means they had very supportive family, which is something would want return to.Regardless there is no way those two in particular would have better live in goblin cave than they had before and certainly they have less freedom now.

The potions were stored in transparent glass, which likely means it is either common or easy to produce with magic. Production of glasses should thus be much easier and glasses much cheaper than in non-magical medieval times. I can't comment on her clothing quality, but even farmer girls had one good pair of clothing, and she is not wearing some frilly triple-layered evening dress.

Alchemy isn't really expensive as a hobby if you get the ingredients yourself and being wealthy and happy are two different things. A girl's life in medieval times would be decided by her parents and later husband and the husband was unlikely to let them be crafters (since that would embarrass him). If they had any attachment to the craft, that's their problem.

And we don't even know whether their family is still alive. It wouldn't make sense that the girls (maybe except red-head) would travel with a caravan alone, so their famil has either been dead by that time, or they died during the attack (or at least part of them). While the second one would give them some reason to hate the goblins, the attackers and Rou's group are two distinct groups which Rou showed by beating the ex-chief to death. In either case, they have little to return to home.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Also there is no reason for Forrest not having beach.

Beach requires sand and trees don't grow well in sand. That means they need to get out of the forest first to go to a beach.

[Rasty]

So we are going to see a war with humans, looking forward to that.

I like how they are casually handling that he ate the elves that lost (while leaving it pretty clear he did with the blood around his mouth) and how he casually comments about the skill he gets from the corpse, this never gets old. Though hasn't anyone told him that you shouldn't eat what you find on the ground?

Anyway, looking forward to how the anime is gonna "sensitively" handle the issue around the elven prisoners.

Also, Hobsei was always funnily crazy interesting (maybe a bit more crazy), but after her rank-up, she looks pretty hot. Looking forward to how Hobsato will turn out after her rank-up too. And Redhead is slowly turning wild.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Rasty

I have been promised to get paid at work, but haven't been given my wage yet (since it isn't the end of the month). Should I sue my boss for robbery? And should everyone who was around the Empire State Building go to jail for not stopping the planes during 9/11? He hasn't fulfilled the promise yet but hasn't reneged on it in any way. He also simply is incapable of sending them home and he never hid this to get something from them. Neither of those makes him the offender.

It's more like if there was coup in Russia and new leader didn't released any political prisoners. Anyway MC didn't even gave any timeline, even though he could let them go anytime. You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change that he keep them trapped inside of forest. He is not unrelated, he is leader of goblin tribe.

The potions were stored in transparent glass, which likely means it is either common or easy to produce with magic. Production of glasses should thus be much easier and glasses much cheaper than in non-magical medieval times. I can't comment on her clothing quality, but even farmer girls had one good pair of clothing, and she is not wearing some frilly triple-layered evening dress.

Alchemy isn't really expensive as a hobby if you get the ingredients yourself and being wealthy and happy are two different things. A girl's life in medieval times would be decided by her parents and later husband and the husband was unlikely to let them be crafters (since that would embarrass him). If they had any attachment to the craft, that's their problem.

Of course it's super easy obtain gold, silver, mercury and in this world also probably basilisks eyes or dog killing mandrakes. You can find that anywhere. Sarcasm aside, of course weatlh doesn't guarrantee happiness, neither does love, good family or successful career. But if you have good life and you are still unhappy, there is case to be made that's it's your own fault and if we look at it without modern value filter (witch you said we should), they would have very good life.

And we don't even know whether their family is still alive. It wouldn't make sense that the girls (maybe except red-head) would travel with a caravan alone, so their famil has either been dead by that time, or they died during the attack (or at least part of them). While the second one would give them some reason to hate the goblins, the attackers and Rou's group are two distinct groups which Rou showed by beating the ex-chief to death. In either case, they have little to return to home.


Beach requires sand and trees don't grow well in sand. That means they need to get out of the forest first to go to a beach.

Biggest problem with your hypothesis is that, you first assume practically unprecedent setting for this genre and than manufacture complex backstories including death parents and abusive husbands (who are still so nice that they let them go out collect gold nugget for their hobbies), to explain obvious contradictions. Plus we know there is not major divide between genders. This convoy had female guard the (redhead) and in opening there is female knight who's apparently leader of her group. Elves also had multiple female fighters in their ranks.

Also not everything in forrest is covered trees. There are clearings, lakes, rivers and forrest can even go as far as to reach sea

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

It's more like if there was coup in Russia and new leader didn't released any political prisoners. Anyway MC didn't even gave any timeline, even though he could let them go anytime. You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change that he keep them trapped inside of forest. He is not unrelated, he is leader of goblin tribe.

My point is, that he can't "let them go anytime" and he couldn't give them a timeline since he doesn't know when he will be able to. He doesn't know where their homes are and as far as we know he doesn't know how to get out of the forest yet (or to the nearest settlement) and bringing several civilians for a several-day tour through a monster-infested forest is hard, dangerous and needs lots of prior preparations (that a tribe barely getting by might not be able to afford).
To your comparison, it's more like a new president of the USA finds out there are imprisoned Martians in Area 51 and promises to treat them well and return them to Mars, but can't do so yet, since the technology to go there is still being developed.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Of course it's super easy obtain gold, silver, mercury and in this world also probably basilisks eyes or dog killing mandrakes. You can find that anywhere.

We have seen the alchemist use countless glass flasks and no other material for containers. If transparent glass was expensive there should have been some ceramic or stone ones.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Sarcasm aside, of course weatlh doesn't guarrantee happiness, neither does love, good family or successful career. But if you have good life and you are still unhappy, there is case to be made that's it's your own fault and if we look at it without modern value filter (witch you said we should), they would have very good life.

Good life for what the human society could offer them, not the kind of life Rou is offering them (freedom to choose their paths, being valuable/irreplaceable for their community, freedom of love life...). He is offering them lives of modern females to females of medieval society. Whether that's a worth trade depends on each person.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Biggest problem with your hypothesis is that, you first assume practically unprecedent setting for this genre and than manufacture complex backstories including death parents and abusive husbands (who are still so nice that they let them go out collect gold nugget for their hobbies), to explain obvious contradictions. Plus we know there is not major divide between genders. This convoy had female guard the (redhead) and in opening there is female knight who's apparently leader of her group. Elves also had multiple female fighters in their ranks.

Barring other evidence I am assuming a standard medieval society system for humans. In medieval society young females traveling (through dangerous territory no less) without male relatives was unthinkable and married females having an occupation (except for a select few like nursing and some other charity work) was a huge scandal. A husband preventing his wife from such work wasn't considered abusive, but sane.

I am not sure how combatant females are treated, though they are rare and we know of no married ones. Elves are hardly a good approximation for human society their longevity, low fertility, and overall physical specs likely lead to a much lower need for "women taking care of home/children" and higher emancipation.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Also not everything in forrest is covered trees. There are clearings, lakes, rivers and forrest can even go as far as to reach sea

The image is of a beach that is outside the forest, my argument stands. They need to leave the forest first.

[Tenzen12]

It took dozen of low level hobgoblin. Rou himself was stronger than all of them combined several evolution before and old guard obviously knew the route.

Sure, but that's not the case for literal precious metals, is it now and they have literally no freedom. They barelly can leave cave. You have super weird definition of freedom. And again personal freedom is modern invention.

Then you are assuming wrong in 99% cases. Noone who watch anime or read manga/novels would assume isekai = realistic medieval society. We didn't even step out of forrest and we already have bunch of anachronism like female warriors and dirt cheap glass. Only isekai that has some actually mediaval aspects in recent two decades would be Mushoku Tensei and even there is like single country in whole that world where women have significantly lower position than men (and even there there are female knights in position of leadership).

Anyway I feel like I am talking to wall and there is really no point doing that. Feel free to have last word.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Rasty

Also, Hobsei was always funnily crazy interesting (maybe a bit more crazy), but after her rank-up, she looks pretty hot. Looking forward to how Hobsato will turn out after her rank-up too. And Redhead is slowly turning wild.

They sadly skipped one of her best bits. How she got the magic book Rou was asking for her to give back in the other episode.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

It took dozen of low level hobgoblin. Rou himself was stronger than all of them combined several evolution before and old guard obviously knew the route.

There were only about 4 or 5 hobgoblins and about 15 to 20 goblins and that was the entirety of the tribe of goblins bar the old man and the caravan was captured in the forest not at their village. we don't even know if they know how to even reach a human settlement.

Sure, but that's not the case for literal precious metals, is it now and they have literally no freedom. They barelly can leave cave. You have super weird definition of freedom. And again personal freedom is modern invention.

the goblins can barely leave the cave either and I doubt the girls could have gone outside the village walls on a whim either. Inside the community they have complete freedom. As the anime has skipped over certain things I can't go into detail but I can say they are completely free. no one would stop them if they just left but they don't because they have functioning brain cells.

[Strahan]

Originally Posted by Rasty

It's because the one who took their freedom and forced them into slavery (the bad guy) is not the MC but someone else. This firstly makes it easier for the audience to swallow and secondly makes it more reasonable for the girl to have positive feelings towards him, since he isn't really responsible for her bad situation and starts on neutral relationship with her, not hostile.

Ehh. I see this has been beat to death already, so all I'll say is for most people that wouldn't make a difference. If, say, highway robbers take you captive then go back out to rob more people, if another robber is watching you do you automatically feel friendly toward the guard? They didn't kidnap you, but they're still part of the group. Exacerbated by the fact that the antagonists aren't even the same species; they're monsters from a human POV.

Sure, I don't doubt their feelings would soften as time goes by and I could even see them falling in love with him eventually as they see he's a somewhat decent person. It's the timespan that makes it odd. Nine days is awful short to go from kidnapped to wanting to bang your captor, heh.

The likely reason is the same logic MC had when he rigged it so the elf men died and the ladies lived. Cute girls are great, lol. I imagine it's not fun to have to write them constantly moping and depressed so with a sprinkle of the otaku fantasy dust, we get these girls saying "ah fuck it" in record time

Redhead is probably better off sticking with them now that she is a monster eater. In human society, they'd probably think she's odd / gross now. She must have gotten some really strong teeth as part of the job change; chowing down on skulls doesn't sound like a simple thing to me. Alchemist chick also seems to have a pretty decent thing going, nice little lab.

I wonder how long the elf babes will be in lockdown. I wonder how many days it will be till he's banging them, heh. Now will the kobolds get the same love, or is furry sex a bridge too far for him? lol