Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[Peanutbutter]

Spoiler for ch 81:

Huge fatalities on both ends?

Levi and Armin's death flags raised?

[Stark700]

Chapter 81:

Spoiler:

Levi is such a badass this chapter.

I like how that Beast Titan was one minute having fun with his little game and the next minute being in state of panic as he was losing. Kinda curious on the upcoming battle against the Armored Titan again. Surely, they need to finish it off for good this time...

[BoyTitan]

So disappointing. Levi rofl stomps monkey titan who has been hyped up for over a year and then monkey titan lives by retreating.

Come on wtf !

More despair more plans. This is getting to the just waiting to see how it ends point.

[BladeMancer]

Levi is fucking overkill. The beast titan is powerless against ambushes I suppose

[shadow of the day]

This it's awesome, I hope this is we're the action begins, like I say a few post before, someone it's going to die, its like the creator want to kill someone, yeah it's seems like they found the way to deal with Rainer , but Levi it's in a big trouble.

[grey_1960]

Originally Posted by ImperialKnight

But surely by a storypoint of view there comes a time when enough is enough no?

The other posters are correct it's gotten to the point that it's literally expected that the bad guys get a deus ex machinca pulling them out every single freaking time no matter what the good guys do.

I mean how many times do we need to see Eren get rescued or even incapacitated...I mean why even bother with him?

Again nobody seems to be answering my question but the fact remains will there be anything left to even call it a victory?

Or are they going to go back to square one again with the way the story keeps dragging on?

Spoiler:

So Levi's attack failed as expected despite Zeke badly wounded and part of his face cut off. The entire Scout regiment is wiped out except one guy. Levi is now at the mercy of a dozen titans with no weapons left.

It's just as bad as Reiner easily surviving the thunder spears. Now they got to do another plan and we all know how that's going to end...[/QUOTE]


^"Wisdom can not be granted Arcee. It must be earned. Sometimes at a cost."~Optimus Prime

This whole story since the beginning has been about feedback. Success and failure and how both sides respond.
Case #1
Look at Mankind in general they got complacent inside the wall for over 100 years and thought it would protect them forever from the titans. Then the enemy adapted and got around the wall with bigger and better titans.

Case #2
The recent battle Armin suggested that they fight the armor titan away from the wall because Eren got ambushed from the colossal titan last time they battle near the wall.

Case #3
Levi and the humans learned the titanazation multiple times can weaken and wear out the users by simply studying and observing Eren. The bigger they are the more energy they consume.

Case#4
The ape titan gathered intel about the new 3d gear the humans were using before battle. He even tried questioning the user before he had him killed. Look at his response in the recent battle. He kept far away from the wall. Then he surrounded the outside wall were there was no trees. The enemy would not be able to use there 3d gear on him at all.

I can give you more cases and evidence if you want. But the problem is you are reading this like a normal manga. You want the Eren to come out and pull and Naruto or a one piece like fight were the tide turns by sheer will alone. But your not realizing the author is mirroring this off of real life. Failure is part of trial and error phase. When you try anything for the first time you are not an expert are you? Its only through hard work and your success and failures do you learn and become the best. These are life lessons for the Humans and the Scout Regiment. They are learning about their enemies from studying them and engaging them. There will always be heavy costs when going against the titans.

Victory? At what cost?

Battle of Gettysburg, 1863
Belligerents: Union vs Confederacy
Casualties: Unionists 23,000; Confederates 23,000
Total: 46,000
Result: Union victory

The Battle of Cannae, 216 BC
Belligerents: Carthage vs Rome
Casualties: Carthaginians 10,000; Romans 50,000
Total: 60,000
Result: Carthaginian victory

The first day of the Somme, 1 July 1916
Belligerents: Britain vs Germany
Casualties: British 60,000; German 8,000
Total: 68,000
Result: Indecisive

The Battle of Leipzig, 1813
Belligerents: France vs Austria, Prussia and Russia
Casualties: French 30,000; Allies 54,000
Total: 84,000
Result: Coalition victory

1. The Battle of Stalingrad, 1942-1943
Belligerents: Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union
Casualties: German 841,000; Soviet Union 1,130,000
Total: 1,971,000
Result: Soviet victory

War isn't supposed to be pretty and the author has conveyed that really well in this manga. The Scout Regiment came to this battle with only 100 guys. If they manage to defeat the Ape, Colossal, armor titan, and all the other titans on this battlefield this will be come the greatest battle ever. Why? Look at mankind's encounter with the titans since the beginning of this manga. How many died when titans first showed up and forced man into the wall? How many thousands died when Armin's father and everyone else were forced to go and retake wall Maria from the titans? How many died retaking the Trost District? You have no sense of proportion and that is why you ask will there be anything left to even call it a victory?

Chapter 81
That was a good chapter. If the ape titan escapes he will not make the mistake he made next time and he will be a more formidable foe. The fact is I feel when it comes to 3d gear Anna, Armor titan, and the colossal titan are better at combating. They have experience with the enemy and how they fight. Anna did really well escaping and battling the scout regiment in the forest. The only reason the ape titan got his ass handed to him was one he underestimated the enemy and there knowledge of titans. Number two he does not have the experience(until now) when it comes to dealing with the scout regiment. He got careless and it showed when he didn't harden himself in the first place. Levi got the surprise on him and it worked.

Has for Armin I am curious to see how him and Eren will take down the Colossal titan by themselves. That should be interesting. Has for the Armor titan is he looking thin like the Colossal titan or is that just me?

Finally I am sad the whole charge got slaughtered. I feel bad for Marlowe. I thought he would survive the charge. Has for the poor solider questioning orders and commands in the previous chapter. He gets to survive what a cruel world. I hope Erwin and Armin will survive this battle. And has for Erwin I kinda hope he get a titan form. Has for Levi he will live and he will destroy all the titans coming after him. I wonder if he will capture the ape titan?

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by grey_1960

Again nobody seems to be answering my question but the fact remains will there be anything left to even call it a victory?

^"Wisdom can not be granted Arcee. It must be earned. Sometimes at a cost."~Optimus Prime

This whole story since the beginning has been about feedback. Success and failure and how both sides respond.
Case #1
Look at Mankind in general they got complacent inside the wall for over 100 years and thought it would protect them forever from the titans. Then the enemy adapted and got around the wall with bigger and better titans.

Case #2
The recent battle Armin suggested that they fight the armor titan away from the wall because Eren got ambushed from the colossal titan last time they battle near the wall.

Case #3
Levi and the humans learned the titanazation multiple times can weaken and wear out the users by simply studying and observing Eren. The bigger they are the more energy they consume.

Case#4
The ape titan gathered intel about the new 3d gear the humans were using before battle. He even tried questioning the user before he had him killed. Look at his response in the recent battle. He kept far away from the wall. Then he surrounded the outside wall were there was no trees. The enemy would not be able to use there 3d gear on him at all.

I can give you more cases and evidence if you want. But the problem is you are reading this like a normal manga. You want the Eren to come out and pull and Naruto or a one piece like fight were the tide turns by sheer will alone. But your not realizing the author is mirroring this off of real life. Failure is part of trial and error phase. When you try anything for the first time you are not an expert are you? Its only through hard work and your success and failures do you learn and become the best. These are life lessons for the Humans and the Scout Regiment. They are learning about their enemies from studying them and engaging them. There will always be heavy costs when going against the titans.

Victory? At what cost?

Battle of Gettysburg, 1863
Belligerents: Union vs Confederacy
Casualties: Unionists 23,000; Confederates 23,000
Total: 46,000
Result: Union victory

The Battle of Cannae, 216 BC
Belligerents: Carthage vs Rome
Casualties: Carthaginians 10,000; Romans 50,000
Total: 60,000
Result: Carthaginian victory

The first day of the Somme, 1 July 1916
Belligerents: Britain vs Germany
Casualties: British 60,000; German 8,000
Total: 68,000
Result: Indecisive

The Battle of Leipzig, 1813
Belligerents: France vs Austria, Prussia and Russia
Casualties: French 30,000; Allies 54,000
Total: 84,000
Result: Coalition victory

1. The Battle of Stalingrad, 1942-1943
Belligerents: Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union
Casualties: German 841,000; Soviet Union 1,130,000
Total: 1,971,000
Result: Soviet victory

War isn't supposed to be pretty and the author has conveyed that really well in this manga. The Scout Regiment came to this battle with only 100 guys. If they manage to defeat the Ape, Colossal, armor titan, and all the other titans on this battlefield this will be come the greatest battle ever. Why? Look at mankind's encounter with the titans since the beginning of this manga. How many died when titans first showed up and forced man into the wall? How many thousands died when Armin's father and everyone else were forced to go and retake wall Maria from the titans? How many died retaking the Trost District? You have no sense of proportion and that is why you ask will there be anything left to even call it a victory?

[/quote]

I think you're misinterpreting some of the complaints.

Those are some of the greatest battles and victories in history but they weren't necessarily dragged out. There weren't any deus ex that kept pulling any side out of the frying pan and BOTH sides suffered heavily. What did Abraham Lincoln do to Generals that sat around and not take the initiative? He threw them out and kept replacing them till he found Grant.

The complaints are that the story itself is literally dragging out to the point that we just want to move on to the damn basement. I mean it's fine when the bad guys get deus ex 2-3 times but every single time?

Again, how many times do we need to see Eren get rescued like the Damsel in distress?

Again, how many times do we need to see the bad guys get so many breaks? The protagonists die like flies but the bad guys come back from the brink of death a few times.

Again, how many times do we need to see the Scout regiment wiped out again and again? Like I said there won't be anything left.

The issue I'm sure most of us can agree is that it's just dragging.

Chapter 81
That was a good chapter. If the ape titan escapes he will not make the mistake he made next time and he will be a more formidable foe. The fact is I feel when it comes to 3d gear Anna, Armor titan, and the colossal titan are better at combating. They have experience with the enemy and how they fight. Anna did really well escaping and battling the scout regiment in the forest. The only reason the ape titan got his ass handed to him was one he underestimated the enemy and there knowledge of titans. Number two he does not have the experience(until now) when it comes to dealing with the scout regiment. He got careless and it showed when he didn't harden himself in the first place. Levi got the surprise on him and it worked.

Except the Scout regiment has more or less been wiped out and I doubt the Government would even allow another expedition. Remember what they said? It's do or die and there's nobody to continue onwards. They lost Erwin and he was the political guy for them.

In any case I just feel like it's dragging on and on. Yes we know they're in the crap and they always come out but you can't keep repeating the same thing over and over in a storyline.

Like the issue with Levi fighting monkey titan, we all saw the attack was going to fail a mile away because it had become so redundant it's not even funny.

Take Halo for example.

For a few decades Humanity was slowly losing ground against the Covenant and resorted to desperate tactics to survive. They made covenant bleed at each time and pay heavily but they still lost ground.

Regardless though the way the story moves on they didn't drag it out and gave the UNSC victories here and there but it was at a heavy cost but it was paced pretty well.

The covenant never had major deus ex that pulled them from the brink of disaster either. If they suffered a defeat they suffered an actual defeat and lost assets.

[grey_1960]

^I don’t know what to tell you man?
You are just repeating everything you said in the last post only you never bother to understand my post that’s all. I answered all of your questions. Second it’s my fault for getting off the story because you got even more lost by the response you made. You totally misinterpreted my post. Finally I don’t know about the rest of the forum but you’re just impatient when it comes to this story. You ask question that you know the answer too. Why the bad guys are always escaping, Reiner still alive, and why the scout regiments are always getting slaughtered? Like I said this isn’t like your average manga were only one or two people die, the main character has more power than any of the other character (making them completely irrelevant), sheer will alone is good enough, and the main character only loses once or twice.

Has for the future of attack on titan you will be disappointed because the pace will be the same has it was since the beginning of the manga. You’re just being impatient. Has for the storyline he will continue to use the same formula because it’s a success in terms of manga. My solution to you is to read the manga when its done or at the end of each year that way you won't have to wait has much. I did that for Gantz. I waited until the manga was finished. It was good and it was a lot better then waiting for each chapter.

[The Small One]

Originally Posted by grey_1960

You ask question that you know the answer too. Why the bad guys are always escaping, Reiner still alive, and why the scout regiments are always getting slaughtered? Like I said this isn’t like your average manga were only one or two people die, the main character has more power than any of the other character (making them completely irrelevant), sheer will alone is good enough, and the main character only loses once or twice.

The problem isn't, that people die. It's that they only die on one side (the humans), but not on the enemy's side. And the way how it's shown. The author makes it look like they even have a chance, just to crush this chance shortly after.
What purpose is there in letting the armored titan survive multiple deadly injuries? The survey corps is overpowered anyways, so there is nothing the story gains by letting him survive except of frustration on the reader's part.

[grey_1960]

^
I am surprised you don't ask the same question when the roles are reversed and the good guys are always winning. Why do you still continue to read the manga when the writer continually crushes the human race under a superior enemy and then only to give them a small victory and then crush them again? Because its entertaining and its neat. I don't know about you but it always cool for me to see the little guy struggle because it make the victory all that more sweet. Also no the Survey Corps is not overpowered because if they were you would never read the manga because you would know the outcome.

[Old Rick]

After two action filler chapters the stage is now set for the mangaka
to make some revelations.

Comments:
(1) The location of the bodies of the scouts on the field including
Marlowe and the forward drawn hair bangs rather that combed
back hair strongly argue that the lone shown survivor is the
similarly drawn scout near Marlowe on the field not Erwin. This
does not mean that Erwin and other may not have survived.

(2) Marlowe is definitely dead with a large part of the head
blasted away. This sets the stage for a removed scene involving
an emotional Hitch and possibly the sleeping Annie who may
be exposed to the light.

(3) The Renier who has returned may not have the same
personality in the drivers seat. Remember the attacik that put
him down was to the back of the head where the titan
parasite is or was. Will the solider or the warrior be in control
of the outer shell? This may be the mangaka"s surprise.

[Guardian Enzo]

I have no idea if this is an acknowledged homage or not, but CD Palencia (a 4th division football club in Spain) is definitely wearing SnK unis next season.

[Opaqua]

This chapter is one of the first to truly surprise me. I expected Zeke to take Levi down or at least be equal to him- I did not expect a curbstomp.

Though it makes sense that with the suicide charge and smoke signals, Levi was able to take Zeke off guard. What surprises me though is that Zeke was overconfident, and didn't protect himself as effeciently as Annie did. But now I am worried.

For Levi, for Armin- and I am curious how Mikasa and co will take down Reiner next chapter. All in all I am a bit numbed, so much tragedy in a few pages have boggled my mind! Let's hope my heart does not suffer even more next month....unlikely as it is.

[The Small One]

Originally Posted by Opaqua

This chapter is one of the first to truly surprise me. I expected Zeke to take Levi down or at least be equal to him- I did not expect a curbstomp.

IMHO that was just the advantage of the surprise. If they were to fight ever again, Levi probably has no chance and is going to die.

[Jan-Poo]

Zeke had never really fought in close range against one member of the scouting legion in 3D gear. In every other occasions he always kept far, throwing things and sending titans under his control at them, only getting close once he was sure they were no risks.

As a matter of facts he didn't even know about the 3D gears a few days before and unlike BRA he doesn't have a clear understanding of how those work and what kind of attacks you can do with them, even less what a genius like Levi can do with them.

It really isn't so surprising that he lost that badly.

[bastek66]

Spoilers are out. Looks like

Spoiler for confirmed deaths:

Armin died. He was burned to crisp due to suicide mission.
Erwin supposedly also died.

I guess one of them will get shot of serum

[akire_and_atem]

Originally Posted by bastek66

Spoilers are out. Looks like

Spoiler for confirmed deaths:

Armin died. He was burned to crisp due to suicide mission.
Erwin supposedly also died.

I guess one of them will get shot of serum

say it isn't so!!! :'(

[Utsuro no Hako]

Spoiler for Chapter 82:

If Armin's dead, that leaves Jean as the smartest guy in the story. Humanity is doomed.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Well, **** me, man.

[scififan]

Armin's tactic works. Since they defeat those two titans, Recon Corp still has few survivors.