2012-05-18, 01:42 | Link #961 |
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The answer to that is part of the mystery. It is a sequel. The question is why exactly this Earth, which clearly isn't the one we used to know, has Scub and Secrets and Eureka falling from the sky for no apparent reason.
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2012-05-18, 01:52 | Link #962 |
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As to the question of Fleur's treatment of Ao, how kind are 14 year-old girls to 12 year-old boys, generally speaking? I don't find that aspect especially unrealistic.
And I do think she was a bit more cordial to him this time - mostly because she could see from the way Bruno's death impacted him that Ao was a good soul. As I've said in my blog posts, I think the situation is uglier than it appears at GenBleu - and it doesn't appear all that pretty. I think the pilots are well aware that there's a kind of charade going on - they pretend to give the kids normal lives, pretend their lives are the top priority - but kids still die. And she probably feels lousy to see Ao getting drawn into that.
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To be honest, though, I don't think their relationship is really that complex or she was being that considerate. He was obviously tired, and she remarked that he wouldn't be too useful for whatever they were trying to do anyway. I do agree that Generation Bleu is definitely fishy though. Edit: Of course, that probably won't change how shocked everyone will be if they find out Generation Bleu has been operating with an ulterior motive. |
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2012-05-18, 02:16 | Link #964 |
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I don't have a problem with how Fleur treats Ao. I mean, why should we expect her to treat him like someone she is familiar with or really knows? He's pretty much a stranger who has just joined the team, and no one really knows much about him. He doesn't factor into how she evaluates situations because there's no reason for her to. If they have gotten along fine without him so far, in an urgent situation I don't see why she would feel he is going to be particularly vital. If she did, it would actually be unrealistic because it shows that she has no self-confidence in being able to operate without the new guy who literally just joined the team, simply because he's the "main character" of the show. That would be bad writing.
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2012-05-18, 02:16 | Link #965 |
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Rather than their age, I feel that the reason for their treatment of Ao has more to do with their profession- which is somewhat militaristic by nature and involves putting their lives on the line every time they go to work.
We've all seen this before in other shows and in other risky professions; the FNG has to prove himself to the all the Regulars before they accept him into the brotherhood... Or in this case, the sisterhood. Before, Ao was a civilian caught up in the middle of everything, but now that he has voluntarily signed up for this life so they're not going to carry him anymore than they have to.
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2012-05-18, 02:29 | Link #967 | |
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Weren't the Corallians supposed to be moving on at the end of E7? And that whether they showed up again would be dependent on the relationship between Renton and Eureka? With Eureka showing up on the seemingly real Earth without Renton, perhaps that's why all these Scub and Secrets have started to show up again. Though, didn't Eureka (and Renton) have a big gem in their heads by the end of the series? Or is it assumed that when they vanished, they essentially de-materialized, so Eureka materializing on the real Earth could easily have done so without the gem from before? I guess it's too early, yet, to be really speculating. I see that people seem to think that shape changer is another human-form Corrallian. That'd probably be the best guess, for now. I wonder what he's searching for. Maybe it's just, 'Where's Renton?'
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2012-05-18, 02:36 | Link #968 | ||
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Plus, it doesn't help your point that Ao did an extremely great job in the previous attacks alone, and then nearly soloed this mission. It would be different if she were just trying to ease him into the team, but she's been acting a bit over-the-top superior by not letting him call her normally and then being willing to cut him out of the loop entirely this episode and going so far as to call him useless. (only to watch him nearly single-handedly beat the bad guys )
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2012-05-18, 02:43 | Link #969 |
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I think the fact that this isn't the case it exactly the point. Child pilots are such a cliché in anime by now that we expect them to act like little soldiers, apart from the times they're awkwardly romancing each other. Comparatively speaking I think AO is attacking this scenario from a realistic perspective - 14 year-old girls act like 14 year-old girls, kids die and adults have to wrestle with the morality of that.
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2012-05-18, 02:43 | Link #970 | |
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While unfair, that's how it works in this profession- If Ao can't handle abit of harsh treatment, how are they suppose to trust him went things get REALLY dicey in the future? Put yourself if their shoes if you're a soldier, could you trust that person to watch your back? And didn't they agree not to bring him because he needed the rest? Their whole reasoning basically boils down to him not being able to perform if he's tired and hasn't slept in days.
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2012-05-18, 02:44 | Link #971 |
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It doesn't matter how powerful Nirvash is. If Ao is not prepared for a mission, he is not needed. There is no need to wait for him or be concerned that he is not coming along. They've handled missions before without Ao and if they need to they will continue to. If Ao is ready and willing on a mission, you don't see any of the characters rejecting him or getting in his way. Context is everything.
Anyway it's not like they were going out of their way to hurt Ao's feelings. He was the one who couldn't stay awake, and he isn't exactly a regular part of their team at this point anyway. He knows that as well, and he doesn't seem to be surprised that people aren't exactly treating him like God's gift to Generation Bleu. |
2012-05-18, 02:53 | Link #972 | |
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Edit: Speaking of his place on the team, it kind of bothers me how useful Ao is right off the bat. I can attribute some of it to the Nirvash, but Ao just seems to be way too competent in fighting Secrets. It's just weird that he was able to do what Goldilocks couldn't do so easily considering his lack of experience. |
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2012-05-18, 02:53 | Link #973 |
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Well I decided to watch this series finally today and caught up on all 6 episodes.
3 episodes in I was ready to proclaim the return of the BONES of old, but the next 3 episodes after that were really really poor. I'm not sure why BONES thinks they need to mess with their setting and cast so much, a tried and true formula of success to make this series. Only kids can pilot these mechas, they should've said only underaged girls can pilot these mechas besides Ao, so subtle . Elena is ranking right now for worst character of the season. Her only purpose seems to be to cite otaku references and be off kilter. Terribly uninteresting. I don't know, besides Ao, Naru, and the gramps, and perhaps Gazelle, I'm totally not feeling this new cast whatsoever. Fleur is ok at best. Not awful, but disappointing stuff episodes 4-6. I really hope this series shapes up but the developments of episode 6 were pretty bad. Team goldilocks should get off the screen too. They're an eye sore.
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2012-05-18, 02:59 | Link #974 | |
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Episode seven finally got the ball rolling (a little), so I do think there's going to be more to this story than some boy-in-a-harem. Edit: woops. It's late. It was actually episode six, so if you're still not thinking the story is going anywhere, oh well.
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2012-05-18, 03:44 | Link #975 | |
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2012-05-18, 03:54 | Link #976 | |
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I think what's harming this show to me the most is simply the pilots besides Ao. Fleur is ok as I said, but Elena is a really awful character. Team Goldilocks just seemed very stupid to me as well. I just kinda miss the adult pilots of E7. More colorful and diverse cast there. In a way this is starting to feel a little bit like Last Exile Fam with its females.
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2012-05-18, 04:41 | Link #977 | |
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Though, if you put this Nirvash with all of the versions of from the TV series, I just realized that I believe the Nirvash has activated every power that the Buster Machine mecha had. (From Gunbuster/Aim for the Top!) I actually did find a relationship between E7 and Gunbuster: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...ple.php?id=264 Miyatake-san, who also works with Kawamori a lot, did a lot of design work on E7 TV and mecha design on Gunbuster. Though I'd assume it's more homage (especially the episode 50 antics), but it's still pretty fun. Oh, and DAMN, whoever Truth is... he/she/it is going to be a beast of a problem. |
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Clearly Ao has the talent to be a formal pilot for Pied Piper; he did very well in his first two battles. And that's before considering he had absolutely no training or experience then. And then this battle happened almost immediately after those first two. It's pretty obvious to anyone how good he'll be when he's refined and battle-hardened He's already shown he's a good pilot, and here he did by himself what two experienced pilots couldn't, so where would any doubt in his skills come from? The bridge crew agreed on him needing rest; Fleur said he'd be useless anyway. Quote:
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Eureka was automatically a gifted pilot as well, especially due to her being a Corallian. So it makes sense that her son would share this. Of course, how much exactly this series has to do with Coralians is still uknown, but it's perfectly obvious that Ao isn't a normal human (the whole hair-"magically"-returning-to-blue thing) and we know that Eureka (whether she's the original Eureka or an alternate-universe Eureka) is also special in some way, so it's logical to assume her son is special in the same/a similar way.
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