Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[Merctrin]

Originally Posted by Graydient

To say that Eren's declaration of torture is from a lack of maturity is to call out Ymir and probably a lot of other characters immature as well. Again, replace Eren and Eren's mom with Ymir and Christa, and we'd probably see a similar reaction. The concept of maturity is as ill defined as the concept of good and evil. It's all relative and based on different experiences and circumstances.

I do, though, agree that Eren is impulsive, and yes he does tend to act on emotion (on the other hand, I could flip it around and say Eren is more honest than most other people, which is actually an admirable trait). However, I do not believe there was a need for Ymir to downplay his revenge. Unlike the Levi-kicking-out-tooth vs dissection, I do not think Ymir had to resort to that.

If you put most of the main cast in Eren's position they'd react just as strongly, but that doesn't mean Eren's response to all of this is a good thing.

From Ymir's perspective, her fellow captive is more interested in making their captors suffer than getting both of them out alive. Regardless of how much she may or may not sympathize with Eren's emotions, the only way that she sees to get out alive (before Reiner's suggestion) is teamwork. If Eren would rather attack than escape, they're both dead.

[n120cky]

On c 46 Reiner said something about "this world doesn't have future", but he amd bertold insisting go to their homeland as if their homeland still has future, I think it's a hint that Reiner homeland is on other continent or "other world" (following the parallel/time travel theory).

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

so he created a titan who could control the other titans. Nice theory. And so the "others" he was talking about who would check the 3d move gear could be other "man made" titans?or maybe of humans out the walls who survived and stole the "ape monkey " from the basement using it for themselves? So much to think about.....

But why would he create another Titan who could not just control but CREATE other Titans? And seemingly have zero care for humanity in general. If he did then he created the ultimate enemy - doubt he'll keep it alive or want Eren to find it.

But the ape-Titan did say something like "we speak the same language, right" or something to the effect. Perhaps ape-Titan is still based on human being. I'm beginning to think every titan in the books are sourced from a normal human being.

Originally Posted by n120cky

On c 46 Reiner said something about "this world doesn't have future", but he amd bertold insisting go to their homeland as if their homeland still has future, I think it's a hint that Reiner homeland is on other continent or "other world" (following the parallel/time travel theory).

Or he could have been talking about just how this world of ordinary human has no future, and a world were only human-titan hybrid/immortals exist is the one with the future.

[Sixth]

I wonder, when will Eren wins? He always got outclassed and jobbed even when he supposedly to win.

For a main character with awesome power and plot armor, he is sure loses a lot.

[richardtengcy]

Originally Posted by noobita

I wonder, when will Eren wins? He always got outclassed and jobbed even when he supposedly to win.

For a main character with awesome power and plot armor, he is sure loses a lot.

As an old saying says....success/victory comes after repeated failures or loses.

Think it like its World War 2.....the Allies has been losing until their final Victory.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by noobita

I wonder, when will Eren wins? He always got outclassed and jobbed even when he supposedly to win.

For a main character with awesome power and plot armor, he is sure loses a lot.

He'll win when he goes Super Titan Level 2

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

He'll win when he goes Super Titan Level 2

Not until he gets an "upgrade", or just training.

[Winterson]

They were experimented to be like those freaky giants. The ultimate enemy is the king, and he, too, can turn into a titan. A century ago, the 2nd race of humans, men who have avatars, were put into slavery out of disgust. Some were forced to be used as foundation for the walls while others are forced to dwell with the titans and live in a far away land. They made the geography of the lands and waters they'd been and wrote the history of the past. They are warriors. . . . . *awaken*

[jeroz]

Keep in mind that this is the first time that Eren actually knows about Ymir, Monkey, and the factions. Not to mention the subtle hint of the world ending.

The relationship dynamics also changed a bit more as well, with Ymir cooperating with those two, and Eren probably have to follow suit as well. While I doubt Bert will let Reiner reveal anything substantially soon, once they are in a new situation (night fall or Mikasa arrives) things will shake up a bit more

But yes it's annoying from the God Perspective how there are people who just wouldn't reveal anything asap.

[Sixth]

I wonder, will the author made Eren, and Reiner fight as team against Ape Titan? It would be awesome if Ape Titan solo both of them in MMA style.

[whitecloud]

i wonder if in the basement of erens house the answer will be, the true enemy is the royal house, there is a time machine (ala steins;gate) and their whole world is a huge experiment like claymore

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by noobita

I wonder, when will Eren wins? He always got outclassed and jobbed even when he supposedly to win.

I think that in this manga the hero isn't Eren but rather the trio of Eren+Mikasa+Armin.

If you think it like that, you'll notice that they won in at least two occasions. The first was when they reconquered Trost's district.

Eren did the manual job, Armin came up with the idea and helped Eren gain control, Mikasa protected Eren from stray titans.

The second time is when they managed to capture Annie. Again Armin came up with the plan, Eren threw Mikasa with his titan power, Mikasa cut Annie's hands, and lastly Eren subdued Annie after she fell.

Annie still managed to came up with a last resort trick, but that still counts as a victory for Eren's team I think.

Originally Posted by noobita

For a main character with awesome power and plot armor, he is sure loses a lot.

Because the enemies have more plot armor and plot powers than he does.

Originally Posted by noobita

I wonder, will the author made Eren, and Reiner fight as team against Ape Titan? It would be awesome if Ape Titan solo both of them in MMA style.

The ape titan so far was very careful to stay out of fights. He prefers to send his minions ahead and use his throwing skills from afar.
I wonder if he has any actual melee combat skill.

[Xero8420]

On top of that, Eren had nearly won against Reiner if it wasn't for Berth to do the body slam. Still, Eren really need to sharpen his fighting capabilities, so that he wouldn't get screw-up so easily on his own without having the others to bear him as their burden.

Of course, Eren still don't know enough sh!ts about titans as well as his own, compare to Ymir who possibly knew even more than him and maybe the duo. That's why he was confused in the most recent chapter.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

On top of that, Eren had nearly won against Reiner if it wasn't for Berth to do the body slam.

Well that was one case where Eren lost because of Armin's oversight. Even before reading what happened later I already knew it was a bad idea to get Eren closer to the colossal titan.

[Graydient]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

their whole world is a huge experiment like claymore

This idea reminds me a lot about

Spoiler for plot spoilers for game:

SMT: Digital Devil Saga. In the first game, the whole world is actually a military simulation, where soldiers become infected with a demon-shifting virus that forces them to cannibalize to survive.

[xellos2099]

or something like Megazone 23.

[jeroz]

actually, Eren almost won because of the 2v1 with Mikasa. If not for her he would've lost badly as well. But hey, it's only against the rules if the bad guys are teaming up

[pessimistic_freak]

Originally Posted by jeroz

actually, Eren almost won because of the 2v1 with Mikasa. If not for her he would've lost badly as well. But hey, it's only against the rules if the bad guys are teaming up

Not exactly. Eren was suppressing Reiner in a lock. Mikasa just made sure he wouldn't get loose easily by slicing his joints. There's a chance that Eren just might win even if Mikasa didn't interfere.

[gowfan05]

Originally Posted by pessimistic_freak

Not exactly. Eren was suppressing Reiner in a lock. Mikasa just made sure he wouldn't get loose easily by slicing his joints. There's a chance that Eren just might win even if Mikasa didn't interfere.

sorry, I disagree... mikasa played/plays a very important role in eren's victories/success in battle.

[Jan-Poo]

I side with pessimistic_freak on this one. Eren was already holding Reiner in a lock before Mikasa did anything, and he had already broken his arm. Moreover Eren always won against Reiner in melee combat.

There is nothing that suggests that Reiner was having (or that he would have) the upper hand in that fight.