Haku's Attempts

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by AtomicoX

Let me just say that this sig is completed simply by the light. The light rays seems to be in the right place and the clouds in the bg fit in with that. The render also, somehow, fits in, even if the color contrast a bit much. However, the contrast does help against the slightly red bg. Good thing you skipped the text too as it would ruin the calmness I feel.
All in all, a great sig as usual.

A calm, yet light feeling was what I was going for. I tried to get all those lights to fit the lighting on the render, seems like I got it, somewhat. And there was absolutely no way I was going to put any text on it. Luckily, my friend thought the same thing.

Originally Posted by lv23

I bring it up because it's OH SO cute regardless of age. Simplicity can also look MUCH better than a cluttered signature. And that new signature is... Basically everything AtomicoX said. Except I like contrast so that signature is my idea of perfection. You really picked good spots for the lighting.

I do agree with you there. Sometimes people go overboard with effects, that they ruin (what could have been) a really good signature. (Me being one of them)

On a lighter note~
SCHOOL IS OUT for me. I finished my finals and now I have 3 weeks of winter vacation. I hope to accomplish a lot during that time.

Speaking of finals; I got so confused on this essay I was supposed to do that I doodled on the bottom of my prep-paper. It's supposed to be me...kinda.

Spoiler for saving space~:

And, on another lighter note~
I bought a DS with my paycheck from work with Pokemon Diamond. Go ahead and laugh if you want
But I love the new games, and it inspired me to make a Pokemon sig.


Oh, hope you guys like my new avatar. I wanted to make it transparent, but when I do this happens to her tail.

I just left it alone, cuz I got too annoyed trying to fix it. xD

[Ledgem]

Hey, I have Pearl I beat the game but didn't do everything possible in it... but I haven't played in a really long time. We can exchange friend codes, and if you want any of the Pearl pokemon I can send them your way. Might get me back into the game, but I'm not so sure.

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Ledgem

Hey, I have Pearl I beat the game but didn't do everything possible in it... but I haven't played in a really long time. We can exchange friend codes, and if you want any of the Pearl pokemon I can send them your way. Might get me back into the game, but I'm not so sure.

Ooh, if I ever find out my code I'll be sure to trade it with you. Geez, this sounds so fun.

I got a little bored today so I scanned a couple of images from my Okami Artbook. Now I know there's acutally quite a few scans already on the net, but I haven't seen the translated "manga-type" pages scanned yet. Enjoy guys~

They're in order but remember to read the pages from right to left. ^^


Careful though, they're a bit big.

Also a really nice scan from one of the most difficult places.

I wont tell what happens here 'cuz it's a spoiler.

I'll see if I can scan the rest of the manga pages later. I got so nervous bending my artbook to scan it.

[Marina]

Awesome Okami scans Haku-chan, had a fun time looking over them >.< That insolent ammy, when is she going to learn manners!?

Nice scan at the end as well, I had a hard time at the part too (but that's just because I'm not too good w/ video games... at all... )

[Marskatta]

Hello Haku!
Requesting a sig whit this pic from Eyeshield 21!

Spoiler for Eyeshield 21:

And whit the text: God of the Sea versus Devils of the sky, whit the name JD under it.

[Utsukushii Hono'o]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Hello everyone.
Um, I suppose I should do a little intro about myself?

Lemme see. I've been doing sigs for a short time with Photoshop CS2. And I've done animated gifs for months on this forum. I'm fairly amateurish with the way sigs go. I know I have a lot to learn and I hope to get a lot of comment and feedback here. ^^


So here are my attempts.

Spoiler for Older Sigs:

From oldest to newest (the one's with out Hakuryu on them are requests)

Spoiler for Newer Sigs:

Spoiler for Presents~:

^ Gifts for Marina-chan

Gift for Shana

Spoiler for For spoilers of avatars:

Spoiler for ToS Avatars:

Spoiler for Clannad Avatars:

These are one's that haven't been claimed...so they are freebies. ^^

Spoiler for SZS Avatars:

-Static-

Spoiler for Contest Entries:

May 2008 Entry -Despair/Sorrow-


June 2008 Entry -Nonhuman-

Spoiler for Vectors:

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Shake it Kotomi-chan!
Thank you. I'm still learning when it comes to sigs, but I'll try to get some more practice. ^^

Thank you very much Shana. I appreciate it a lot. I'll be sure do more sigs in the future.

Don't worry, Colette will be around soon enough. xD

As requested...here are the Clannad avatars I've done as well as Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. ^^

Spoiler for Clannad Avatars:

These are one's that haven't been claimed...so they are freebies. ^^

Spoiler for SZS Avatars:

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Thanks you two. ^^
Oh, and Marina, I'm always happy to meet another Okami fan. x3

Here's a sig that I made for use on another forum I go on.

Originally Posted by UltimaWolf

Wow I love it! Looks really good Haku-chan! If only you could use it here.

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Thank you Chaos. ^^
Hehe, yup that's me.
Thank you Cyz.

Thanks. ^^
Oh, that girl is Colette Brunel from the game/anime Tales of Symphonia.

Oh, thank you Marina. I got a lot of wonderful fonts from that site now. =3


New sig for my use here.

And something I did out of boredom. x3

UUUWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Omgfg! your sigs rule. You know I could move into this thread. Already found a spot to lay my bed roll.

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Marina

Awesome Okami scans Haku-chan, had a fun time looking over them >.< That insolent ammy, when is she going to learn manners!?

Nice scan at the end as well, I had a hard time at the part too (but that's just because I'm not too good w/ video games... at all... )

I know. xD
Silly Ammy, yawning at the Spider Queen won't end well.

I thought the scene was beautiful myself.

Spoiler for Okami spoiler:

Yami was the most difficult boss. But I wish I knew who was in that little bubble since you didn't really see it at the end. It was funny when Yami turned into the slot machine thing though

Originally Posted by Jean DeCusac

Hello Haku!
Requesting a sig whit this pic from Eyeshield 21!

Spoiler for Eyeshield 21:

And whit the text: God of the Sea versus Devils of the sky, whit the name JD under it.

Um, I don't really take requests. But if you don't mind the wait, I'll see what I can do. ^^;

Originally Posted by Utsukushii Hono'o

UUUWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Omgfg! your sigs rule. You know I could move into this thread. Already found a spot to lay my bed roll.

Lulz, you quoted all of my OLD stuff. My "style" has changed quite a bit. I'll be sure to update my first post soon.


Okay, I made this for a SotW on another forum where the theme is Movies.

I'm really into these sky type sigs right now. x3 And this is my absolute favorite film next to Memoirs of a Geisha.

[Marskatta]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

I know. xD
Silly Ammy, yawning at the Spider Queen won't end well.

I thought the scene was beautiful myself.

Spoiler for Okami spoiler:

Yami was the most difficult boss. But I wish I knew who was in that little bubble since you didn't really see it at the end. It was funny when Yami turned into the slot machine thing though

Um, I don't really take requests. But if you don't mind the wait, I'll see what I can do. ^^;


Lulz, you quoted all of my OLD stuff. My "style" has changed quite a bit. I'll be sure to update my first post soon.


Okay, I made this for a SotW on another forum where the theme is Movies.

I'm really into these sky type sigs right now. x3 And this is my absolute favorite film next to Memoirs of a Geisha.

Thanks Haku <3

[Ledgem]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Ooh, if I ever find out my code I'll be sure to trade it with you. Geez, this sounds so fun.

It's insanely addictive. The trouble for "old" people like me is that we don't have many friends who are into Pokemon (or if they are, they aren't open about it). As a result I initially thought I wouldn't have anyone to trade with. But through the wireless system you can trade through the internet, and it's in a pretty neat manner, to! People will put up a Pokemon and then say what they want in exchange. You can browse the listings or put up your own. I can remember I'd put up a Pokemon and then excitedly check every few hours to see if someone had traded. Sometimes I'd just put one up randomly to see what I'd get. Loads of fun! Eventually the novelty wore off, but it's still a really neat concept.

I thought the scene was beautiful myself.

Spoiler for Okami spoiler:

Yami was the most difficult boss. But I wish I knew who was in that little bubble since you didn't really see it at the end. It was funny when Yami turned into the slot machine thing though

Spoiler:

Really? I thought it was just really long, but not overly difficult. For me I think that hardest was Plague (or what ever its name was; the one you fight in the emperor's belly). I'm not really sure why it was so difficult for me; it was terribly easy when I had to do it the second time around.

Hmm, other hard fights... the Nine-Tailed fox was pretty difficult, if for no reason other than that if you left the ink pad open for too long then it'd start scribbling its own spell into there. The optional fight of Princess Fuze's dog squad (again, forgot the official name) was also pretty difficult. I think I actually had to use items there.

And THE most difficult fight of all? The haunted gate in Webukure (forgot the English name; the frozen place), an optional fight needed to get a bead. Fighting multiple Susano-o's at once proved to be nearly impossible, and I basically had to use items non-stop. It was surprising, because combat in Okami is generally pretty straight-forward and even easy. I'd read about how difficult that fight could be but didn't believe it until I actually went through it.

All this talk of Okami makes me want to play it again. I should see if I can get my PS2 emulator working, that way I can play it even without dragging my PS2 to my apartment (doesn't help that I don't have a TV, either).

[Daniel E.]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Speaking of finals; I got so confused on this essay I was supposed to do that I doodled on the bottom of my prep-paper. It's supposed to be me...kinda.

Spoiler for saving space~:

That's a seriously nice drawing Haku!

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Ledgem

It's insanely addictive. The trouble for "old" people like me is that we don't have many friends who are into Pokemon (or if they are, they aren't open about it). As a result I initially thought I wouldn't have anyone to trade with. But through the wireless system you can trade through the internet, and it's in a pretty neat manner, to! People will put up a Pokemon and then say what they want in exchange. You can browse the listings or put up your own. I can remember I'd put up a Pokemon and then excitedly check every few hours to see if someone had traded. Sometimes I'd just put one up randomly to see what I'd get. Loads of fun! Eventually the novelty wore off, but it's still a really neat concept.

Well, hey, I'm a teenager and I don't know anyone who still enjoys the games. The Nintendo DS shows me how much our technology has advanced. From your description of the trading it's amazing that all this can be done wirelessly. But I don't know where to get a signal to trade or where to get a friend code for that matter. Care to help me out a little, Ledgem? ^^;

Spoiler:

Really? I thought it was just really long, but not overly difficult. For me I think that hardest was Plague (or what ever its name was; the one you fight in the emperor's belly). I'm not really sure why it was so difficult for me; it was terribly easy when I had to do it the second time around.

Hmm, other hard fights... the Nine-Tailed fox was pretty difficult, if for no reason other than that if you left the ink pad open for too long then it'd start scribbling its own spell into there. The optional fight of Princess Fuze's dog squad (again, forgot the official name) was also pretty difficult. I think I actually had to use items there.

And THE most difficult fight of all? The haunted gate in Webukure (forgot the English name; the frozen place), an optional fight needed to get a bead. Fighting multiple Susano-o's at once proved to be nearly impossible, and I basically had to use items non-stop. It was surprising, because combat in Okami is generally pretty straight-forward and even easy. I'd read about how difficult that fight could be but didn't believe it until I actually went through it.

Spoiler for okami:

I thought the Emporor's belly fight was the most annoying, not really the hardest. Having to find that one sword was time consuming. He was easy to dodge, but I could never damage him a lot in the short amount of time.

As for the multiple Susanos'...I've never played against them. Actually, I've never heard of that fight. Sounds difficult though. If I still had my PS2 I would've loved to try that level. ;_;

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

That's a seriously nice drawing Haku!

Thanks for the compliment, but I'm just glad you noticed it. xD

I wasn't really planning on giving out christmas presents but I wanted to do two for my favorite Okami fans.

Spoiler for Ledgem:

Images of Princess Fuse are so difficult to find...

Spoiler for Marina:

[Marina]

WAH! The xmas sigs you made are so cute! I love the text that you put along on mine too, how befitting >.< Ledgem's looks really good too, I can see how much you've really improved with the style you chose to use.
I'm still going crazy on my xmas sigs, my list is way too long... I don't know if I'll be able to finish them on time Wish me luck!

(VERY cute ammy avi btw)

[SweetHoney]

Haku!!

Pwesent

[Ledgem]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu

Well, hey, I'm a teenager and I don't know anyone who still enjoys the games. The Nintendo DS shows me how much our technology has advanced. From your description of the trading it's amazing that all this can be done wirelessly. But I don't know where to get a signal to trade or where to get a friend code for that matter. Care to help me out a little, Ledgem? ^^;

Sure thing. The friend code is generated the first time you connect with the DS online. I forgot the name of the in-game city where you'd go to do this, but it's the biggest one and I believe it's the second city you encounter (or maybe the first).

Internet on the DS works through wireless and is relatively simple, and yet Nintendo has also made it relatively bothersome. There are two general methods of connecting. First, if you/your family has a wireless router, then you can use that. If you don't, then Nintendo also sells little USB dongles that you plug into your computer, and that creates a small wireless network that your DS can then use to connect to the internet. I believe those cost around $20. Sounds relatively easy, right?

The reason I say it's bothersome is because the DS requires either an unlocked (unsecured) wireless network, or one protected by a WEP key. WEP is an incredibly outdated and insecure protection for wireless networks; everyone should be using WPA instead (and nobody should be leaving their network unsecured!). Yet the DS can't use WPA. Why, Nintendo, why?! There are two potential solutions to that issue. First, if you're living in an apartment like me and/or you happen to have neighbors with obnoxiously strong wireless routers that are not secured, use them. Another option is that, if your computer (whether it be a desktop or a laptop) has a wireless card inside of it, then it can potentially act as a wireless router. The idea there is that you'd plug the computer into your modem/router (connect to the internet via ethernet cable), and then turn on the wireless router to act in router mode. The method to do that varies from computer to computer and may not be possible in all cases - it's probably one of the more complex solutions, but it's a possibility. As for me, I'll admit that I've piggybacked on unsecured wireless networks before. (Of course, buying one of Nintendo's USB dongles basically does the same thing as that complicated last solution, and is probably much easier.)

Setting up the DS to connect to the wireless network is relatively straight-forward. The wireless setup screens can only be accessed from games that support wireless features. If you get stuck on that step I can create a brief walk-through on how to go about it. I don't currently have Pokemon Pearl at my apartment, but I can retrieve it this weekend and then I can also tell you which city to go to and where in the city to go to get it all set up.

Spoiler for okami:

I thought the Emporor's belly fight was the most annoying, not really the hardest. Having to find that one sword was time consuming. He was easy to dodge, but I could never damage him a lot in the short amount of time.

As for the multiple Susanos'...I've never played against them. Actually, I've never heard of that fight. Sounds difficult though. If I still had my PS2 I would've loved to try that level. ;_;

Spoiler for More Okami:

The multiple Susano-o fight was one of the optional "demon gate" challenges. Did you ever fight a Bandit Spider? They were sort of like the spider queen fight, but maybe a bit easier. Actually, definitely a lot easier since the pattern was the exact same, but I think it was shorter as well. Bandit spider layers were generally marked by the "evil purple smoke" rising from somewhere in the ground. Normally, dropping back down into the bandit spider hole presented you with an empty cave, but at some point in the game, if you dropped down into one there would be a demon gate. These were special demon gates - unlike the usual ones, you'd go through it, beat up all of the enemies, and if I remember right you'd come out of the other end but the gate would still be there. You'd have to go through it a few times before the gate was destroyed. Each time you went through the fight would get progressively harder, although in general none of the fights were terribly difficult except for that one with the multiple Susano-o's (which was the "last" demon gate located in the last bandit spider's hole).

It's too bad your PS2 was stolen. I hope you get a replacement soon!

I wasn't really planning on giving out christmas presents but I wanted to do two for my favorite Okami fans.

Spoiler for Ledgem:

Images of Princess Fuse are so difficult to find...

I was pretty excited when I read your comment on my profile, and I was not disappointed when I hit the "spoiler" button to see what it was. It's so elegant, and it really means a lot to me to know that you put in the effort to make it on my behalf. Once the Christmas season is over I'll be switching over to this signature and, unless I'm given other signatures as gifts, will probably stick with this signature for years.

Back when I was in middle school and high school I used to create new signatures for myself monthly. I had so much time and energy that I could have probably made a new signature weekly, but back then I was limited by image sources (and to a lesser degree by inspiration). As a university student my time dwindled and I cut back to creating new signature/avatar sets for myself roughly once per season, but eventually I had to give even that up. I don't know when the last time I made a new signature was. That's a lot of babbling, but what I'm trying to say is, if you're in a similar situation to how I was back in high school (lots of free time and such) then maybe it seems silly that I'd be so thankful over a mere signature image. I've reached a point where if I'm not busy then I'm feeling guilty because there's always still work I could be doing, so... for you to take the time to hunt down an image of Fuze, and to piece it all together into such a spiffy signature, it really means quite a bit to me. Thank you so much, and happy holidays!

[Sesshomaru22]

I LOVE your work, Haku! I hope to see more!

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Marina

WAH! The xmas sigs you made are so cute! I love the text that you put along on mine too, how befitting >.< Ledgem's looks really good too, I can see how much you've really improved with the style you chose to use.
I'm still going crazy on my xmas sigs, my list is way too long... I don't know if I'll be able to finish them on time Wish me luck!

(VERY cute ammy avi btw)

Super glad you liked it Marina-chan.
I tried so hard on those sigs for you two since you both support me and share my love for Okami. ♥

(Riker-sama made me my avatar, I just adore it!)

Originally Posted by SweetHoney

Haku!!

Pwesent

There's some epic-ness going on in that sig. x3 Thank you so much Sweet-chan!

Originally Posted by Ledgem

Sure thing. The friend code is generated the first time you connect with the DS online. I forgot the name of the in-game city where you'd go to do this, but it's the biggest one and I believe it's the second city you encounter (or maybe the first).

Internet on the DS works through wireless and is relatively simple, and yet Nintendo has also made it relatively bothersome. There are two general methods of connecting. First, if you/your family has a wireless router, then you can use that. If you don't, then Nintendo also sells little USB dongles that you plug into your computer, and that creates a small wireless network that your DS can then use to connect to the internet. I believe those cost around $20. Sounds relatively easy, right?

The reason I say it's bothersome is because the DS requires either an unlocked (unsecured) wireless network, or one protected by a WEP key. WEP is an incredibly outdated and insecure protection for wireless networks; everyone should be using WPA instead (and nobody should be leaving their network unsecured!). Yet the DS can't use WPA. Why, Nintendo, why?! There are two potential solutions to that issue. First, if you're living in an apartment like me and/or you happen to have neighbors with obnoxiously strong wireless routers that are not secured, use them. Another option is that, if your computer (whether it be a desktop or a laptop) has a wireless card inside of it, then it can potentially act as a wireless router. The idea there is that you'd plug the computer into your modem/router (connect to the internet via ethernet cable), and then turn on the wireless router to act in router mode. The method to do that varies from computer to computer and may not be possible in all cases - it's probably one of the more complex solutions, but it's a possibility. As for me, I'll admit that I've piggybacked on unsecured wireless networks before. (Of course, buying one of Nintendo's USB dongles basically does the same thing as that complicated last solution, and is probably much easier.)

Setting up the DS to connect to the wireless network is relatively straight-forward. The wireless setup screens can only be accessed from games that support wireless features. If you get stuck on that step I can create a brief walk-through on how to go about it. I don't currently have Pokemon Pearl at my apartment, but I can retrieve it this weekend and then I can also tell you which city to go to and where in the city to go to get it all set up.

Wow, thanks for going into so much detail for me. I'll take the safer route and buy the USB for the DS, since my modem doesn't support the wireless online feature. I'll be sure to tell you as soon as I get one because I'd really like to trade with you.

Oh, can this wireless network also be used for the PictoChat function on the DS? Or does that require people to be close to you? That's the program I was most excited about since I loved to draw and thought it'd be a fun experience. I just don't know anyone who also owns a DS so I couldn't try it out while just standing near someone.. :/

Spoiler for More Okami:

The multiple Susano-o fight was one of the optional "demon gate" challenges. Did you ever fight a Bandit Spider? They were sort of like the spider queen fight, but maybe a bit easier. Actually, definitely a lot easier since the pattern was the exact same, but I think it was shorter as well. Bandit spider layers were generally marked by the "evil purple smoke" rising from somewhere in the ground. Normally, dropping back down into the bandit spider hole presented you with an empty cave, but at some point in the game, if you dropped down into one there would be a demon gate. These were special demon gates - unlike the usual ones, you'd go through it, beat up all of the enemies, and if I remember right you'd come out of the other end but the gate would still be there. You'd have to go through it a few times before the gate was destroyed. Each time you went through the fight would get progressively harder, although in general none of the fights were terribly difficult except for that one with the multiple Susano-o's (which was the "last" demon gate located in the last bandit spider's hole).

It's too bad your PS2 was stolen. I hope you get a replacement soon!

Spoiler for Even more Okami:

Strange, as I do remember fighting the Bandit Spider but not fighting against the Susanos'. I'm actually the type of person who goes through a level twice just to see if I got every thing and/or fought everyone because that was so thrilling to me. If I EVER get another PS2 I'll be sure to go though that fight.

I was pretty excited when I read your comment on my profile, and I was not disappointed when I hit the "spoiler" button to see what it was. It's so elegant, and it really means a lot to me to know that you put in the effort to make it on my behalf. Once the Christmas season is over I'll be switching over to this signature and, unless I'm given other signatures as gifts, will probably stick with this signature for years.

Back when I was in middle school and high school I used to create new signatures for myself monthly. I had so much time and energy that I could have probably made a new signature weekly, but back then I was limited by image sources (and to a lesser degree by inspiration). As a university student my time dwindled and I cut back to creating new signature/avatar sets for myself roughly once per season, but eventually I had to give even that up. I don't know when the last time I made a new signature was. That's a lot of babbling, but what I'm trying to say is, if you're in a similar situation to how I was back in high school (lots of free time and such) then maybe it seems silly that I'd be so thankful over a mere signature image. I've reached a point where if I'm not busy then I'm feeling guilty because there's always still work I could be doing, so... for you to take the time to hunt down an image of Fuze, and to piece it all together into such a spiffy signature, it really means quite a bit to me. Thank you so much, and happy holidays!

Oh, no no, you're not babbling in the slightest. It's comments like yours that give me the confidence as well as the push to make signatures as well as my drawings. For someone to be so happy over something I created for them makes me twice as happy. I tried my hardest to make these sigs the best I could because it's was kind of like gathering all I've learned since I started and putting it all together at the end. Happy Holidays to you as well. ^^

Originally Posted by Revenge.Is.Sweeter

I LOVE your work, Haku! I hope to see more!

Really? Thank you so much.


Okay, now that I'm caught up with my comments....

New quick request sig:


And a drawing that I'm actually kind of proud of for once. Since I got a new sketch book for Christmas, I wanted to try and make a decent drawing on the first page. After looking for and image of Fuse for Ledgem's signature, I wanted to draw her again.

DeviantArt Link
Don't worry, these aren't any game spoilers; I just wanted to draw this scene. I would really appreciate some comments on it.

[Zakuraa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...es/kasdk22.gif
I still love this one to-date. And I love your drawing Haku-Chan, awesome job. ^^

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Zakuraa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...es/kasdk22.gif
I still love this one to-date. And I love your drawing Haku-Chan, awesome job. ^^

Lulz, that's the first time I tried animated rain too. xD
Thanks Zaku-chan as always~

Two new sigs.

Thought this was a cute idea but I couldn't get the bubbles to look right. (this is not a crop sig)


I really liked this image when I saw it, and I kinda like how the sig turned out in the end.

[Shana]

What?! the bubbles look right! it looks really cuuute though the render looks kind of choppy.

btw, first 2009 post for you !

[Hakuryu]

Originally Posted by Shana

What?! the bubbles look right! it looks really cuuute though the render looks kind of choppy.

btw, first 2009 post for you !

Ew, you're right it does look choppy. That's what I get for being lazy and using the magic wand tool instead of rendering if properly. xD
This one should be better~


Yay, Happy New Year Everyone!

....>.>

Do you guys know how many people order pizza on New Years Eve? I'm so tired.