2009-04-07, 16:28 | Link #2141 | |
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WHy do they have to change the picture of Muhammad, give me a logic justification.. other than rioting muslims?? Why should they change their work to appease one group who is strong arming them? Also all you have said so far is strawman straw man straw man, address the issue of freedom and stop dancing around it. The point is Muslims are allowed to decry everybody but everybody is not allowed to question the validity of Islam, sounds like aces to me. |
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2009-04-07, 17:11 | Link #2143 | ||
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If those cartoons would have resulted in the deaths of innocent civilians because of one jerk's offending actions, how can you say that person didn't intend to achieve that in the first place? Quote:
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2009-04-07, 17:21 | Link #2144 |
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Circular Logic much? Really just think about what you are saying. You basically say that we are not resposnible for our own actions... Good job. Its like fat people blaming mcdonalds for making them fat... same principal same idea. Because you know what mcdonalds says eat mcdonalds and if people follow that then mcdonalds must be the reason why people are fat. |
2009-04-07, 17:27 | Link #2145 | |
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Actually, what I was saying is not everyone has to carry the notion of personal responsibility within themselves. And there is a reason why hate related speeches come with a consequence. Last edited by Sazelyt; 2009-04-07 at 17:42. |
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And a propos of nothing, your posts offend me. I really want to punch you in the face right now. Or burn your country's flag. Or whine about it on the internet, anyway. So how about you shut up? I mean, isn't that how you work? Quote:
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And in this particular case - sorry, but unless you can prove he slipped mind control devices in his damn cartoons, I have trouble holding someone responsible for what others decide to do in response to drawings that don't even pretend to be serious. Quote:
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2009-04-07, 17:39 | Link #2147 |
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You are driving me nuts. Your point is that people should have common courtesy, yes that is true but sorry not all people are a like. There will be people who disagree and don't follow common social standards when it comes to thinking. To get so riled up over one persons opinion is asinine, if that was the case we'd all just give up on living, because I guarantee that someone from somewhere will disagree or hate you wrongfully, does it mean your gonna go fire bomb their house no. Live with it. Athiests get greif all the time for being faithless heathens who will burn in hell. Do they go and riot in the streets against christians? No. The fact is not everyone is going to agree, saying controversial things will ruffle feathers, but that just means that freedom is mainted. And I don't blame the denmark cartoonists. His impression was that Muhammad sponsors suicide bombers, jihad is holy war and muhammad is holy... go figure.
ps you are god damn lucky I didn't sleep much last night or i'd actually take this argument seriously, thats what you get when you go watch NCAA |
2009-04-07, 17:47 | Link #2148 | |
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2009-04-07, 17:55 | Link #2149 |
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AGGGGGGGGHGHGHGHGHGHGH. I'm at the point were I want to rip my spine out. What is point? People who kill people are not responsible for killing others? You basically justify murder is another persons fault and not the person killing that person. Sorry that just doesn't compute. It makes zero sense. Explain your reasoning, because if you think about it you have none.
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2009-04-07, 17:59 | Link #2150 |
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Flipskuul: "Triggering genocide"? Hyperbole, much? And by the way, you should make more of an effort when writing your posts. I'm not even sure what you're saying.
And while people getting killed is sad... So's letting bullies dictate what your values should be. Seriously, "they're violent, so we should do whatever they want"? Is that your guiding principle? Where does it stop? Our women walk unveiled. I'm sure that offends them. Should we make laws forcing them to adopt a "traditional" garb? And when I say "traditional", I'm not even talking about our traditions. What's up with that? We're not all muslims. They've got to find that rather offensive. You're going to vote for laws converting us all? You want to talk about consequences? Well, think about the consequences of not standing up to bullies and bending over for whoever's willing to kill at the drop of a hat. Of rewarding that kind of attitude. |
2009-04-07, 18:01 | Link #2151 | |
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Welcome to my that is why I stopped reading and enough is enough world. |
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2009-04-07, 18:05 | Link #2152 |
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Thats asinine, I breathe the air, a terrorist breathes the air I've breathed, they then detonate their bomb, because of my breath of air, I kileld all those innocents... yea that makes complete sense. People are only responsible for their actions. Not others. Kind of like how a parent is responsible only up to a certain degree to what their children do. In the end the idea that some people should not be allowed to express themselves because they might offend someone is just asinine because what gives you the right to judge. Even if you "say" someone induced you to kill, doesn't mean its true. Because you know what people who kill because of what someone says is as guilty as any murderer. Don't just give killers a out. We are in control of ourselves and if you can't see that and the deflection is just a way to through the blame to someone else. This will always happen, just like people who blame videogames for making kids killers... no kids choose to kill because their disillusioned with the world they live in. Not the fact that they played a videogame...
jesus why can't I be as fluent as Ahm ming... sigh I just fail... good damn you North Carolina... god damn you if only I had slept properly. |
2009-04-07, 18:13 | Link #2154 |
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Your logic is asinine. I really don't see any merit in what you've said. Basically what you say is that if someone is going to get enraged to the point where they are willing to kill then you should not do anything to trigger them. That includes living the life you are accustomed to... makes perfect sense. Lets live our lives in fear that someone will take offense in the way we live. Sorry but Muslims aren't tollerant of other people, they believe if you don't believe then your are wrong. Which is pretty much every other religion, so how should we live? In your world view we should just be the good cogs like everybody else, and not live like the actual individuals we are. And your comment about a kid and a gun... when the fuck did I say that. Nice job cherry picking what I said.
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2009-04-07, 18:16 | Link #2155 |
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at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the person who pull the trigger because someone somewhere else did something he didn't like.
It is not the fault of the danish cartoonist if the terrorist kill someone because they didn't like his cartoons. trying to blame the danish cartoonist for the result of bunch of wackoes is asinine.
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2009-04-07, 18:40 | Link #2156 |
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The law should not prevent people from saying anything as long as it doesn't do actual harm. Sure, the Danish cartoonist may have been a jerk and personally I think he should've thought a little before drawing Muhammad as a suicide bomber, but that is his right. And guess who else has those same rights? All Muslims in nations where free speech is allowed. Instead of making death threats, Muslims could've have written editorials defending Muhammad, or they could've drawn their own cartoons to counteract the Danish one.
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2009-04-07, 18:55 | Link #2157 |
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http://www.itworld.com/government/65...et-piracy-pact
Is this the end for Animesuki? "[...]the countries involved have been discussing how to deal with criminal enforcement of each others' copyright laws." So if the US starts "enforcing" Japan's copyright... then .... |
2009-04-07, 19:01 | Link #2158 |
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Not surprising to see the free of guilt psychology the Americans share here. But it is my mistake to even question that. If the Iraq civilians killed because of the invasion cannot make the people behind that admit their responsibilities, then of course I cannot expect from people living in the same community something that requires even a higher level of understanding.
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2009-04-07, 19:10 | Link #2159 |
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What are you talking about, on the news when ever innonocent civilians are killed by terrorists they are reported just as our troops die. Don't be stupid. Your tone is one of moral superiority which is not the case. Americans are aware of the heavy collateral damage in Iraq, but its not our faults when terrorists decide to detonate their bombs in crowded street markets because girls are being taught in schools. Check your sources before you claim your mightier than thou postion.
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2009-04-07, 19:20 | Link #2160 |
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Of course it is not your fault. It is all Saddam's fault. Anything happens in the region is never US's fault. God bless them all, pure white silky angels sent by the God to the all humanity to erase all dirt in the world on God's orders. Zzzzz
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