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Originally Posted by Alpha Knight
Kirigiri didn't say anything to them, because she had a plan. And no, anyone who really believes she died like that and that was it doesn't actually know her.
I looked at it thoroughly. After watching the episode I was left with an odd sensation they still haven't told us everything. And I made one realization.
Naegi's theory of suicide is flawed. As in, EXTREMLY FLAWED. I will explain.
To start with, let us remember what Monokuma says in that recording that is broadcasted through the monitors:
"Are you awake, killer? It's time to go hunting! Now, who is going to be your chosen victim?"
A killer is someone who is about to commit a murder. Therefore, a person who takes his own life isn't that.
Now, let us see what happened to Naegi. He started hallucinating about his friends and loved ones, and showing he feels guilty for being alive while almost everybody who he knew died. Overcome by these emotions, Naegi was induced to commit suicide.
But does that prove his suicide theory? Not at all, not even close.
As Tengan said it well, everyone can be the killer. Because every member of the Future Foundation harbors lingering emotions that may plunge them into despair. The brainwash recording sharpens these emotions.
But neither Gozu, Seiko or Ruruka actually succumbed to the brainwash they were being subjected to. Though we do see frames of when they were being brainwashed, we don't get to see the part where they stab themselves. And we don't get to see that because this is actually big lie, they didn't kill themselves. How could they have done that? How could have Seiko stabbed herself in the heart and maintain that cross stance with her arms stretched out?
Look at what each one of them did:
- Gozu picked the dagger and stabbed both his eyes with it. He did that so he wouldn't be subjected to the brainwashing any further. But to make sure he wouldn't kill anyone, Gozu entangled himself using the wires from the ceilling, in order to completely restrict his movement.
- Seiko who was also being tormented took some of her roid serum that grants inhuman strength and slammed herself against the wall until her body fit into the crack. Her reason for doing that was the sames as Gozu: so her eyes would avert the monitor and also to completely restrict her movement.
- And Ruruka? She didn't have similar methods like Gozu and Seiko, but she did have her candy, which we were told have mind control properties. She ate a handful of candy hoping it would snap her out.
As you can see, none of what I mentioned above is related to suicide. The three, Gozu, Seiko and Ruruka, did their best to resist the brainwash torment. And they actually succeeded.
But... if things had stayed that way, no one would have been killed after the sleeping period passed and the game would have ended earlier than expected. That's why... the REAL killer was lurking around, ready to kill them off in case they didn't succumb to the despair video.
In conclusion:
- The despair inducing video broadcasted through the monitors was meant to actually turn the chosen victim into the killer.
- The daggers concealed inside the monitors are to provide the brainwashed victim with a means to kill the nearby sleeping person. To put it short, if Gozu had actually succumbed to the brainwash he could have killed Naegi, Asahina or Gekkohara, who were also in that room with him.
- Gozu, Seiko and Ruruka didn't actually commit suicide. They were killed. By the real killer. The proof is the horryfic state Ruruka's body appeared, with cuts all over her body, her outfit in tatters, bloodshot eyes, and the way she had candy arranged all over her as if she was being mocked.
I know someone who is going to agree with me, because he also knows it cannot be that easy, not when this is Dangan Ronpa we are talking about.
Remember, if I'm right I called it first.
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Yeah I thought about something those lines too earlier today- at least for Chisa's case, as it is pretty much impossible to get up the chandelier with just a single chair.
Moreover the video showed no signs of working on her in the past until she got lobotomized right while watching it - why would it do that now when she is even already a die hard despair?
Also when she was at the monitor did she actually call for help, or was she giving the signal?
Also for everyone wondering about Tengan's sentence:
It can actually mean quite a few things:
'I leave the world's hope to you' -> could be...
- ...a message to Naegi, telling him its up to him now
- ... same with Mitari and his anime
- ... a message to the killer or, telling him that he leaves the Naegi issue to them.
We have indeed no proof that Naegi has been shown the same Video that was shown to the others. - The more glaring issue though is imho Ruruka's death. I mean we know the girl had issues, and I can guess that it was pretty despairing for her to realize she killed someone absolutely loyal to her for the lolz and that Seiko never betrayed her in the first place. - However her death still looks surprisingly brutal compared to all the others.
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That is for that - another thing I see though is the significance of the video being shown; It is actually
one of the Monokuma Theatres.
Naegi succumbing to that one was pretty strange too - as in wth Mr Hope?
There is likely something we are all overlooking. Like in DR 1 when they said 'Enoshima got Photoshopped' which was so blatant it actually worked despite her title just because models getting photoshopped all the time is common sense.
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Originally Posted by Dengar
What does it matter? Naegi did a thing to find out what was up, and now he knows what's up. It's not like he conjured the solution out of thin air. I don't get what the problem is. Why do the characters need to go through the same processes as the audience? The audience knowing more than the characters happens all the time in fiction. And what on earth makes you call this a detective mystery? Naegi is not a detective.
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You don't need to be a detective to be
the detective; DR 1 for example had Naegi as detective. Kyoko being the detective there was actually a double-perspective trick.
The game wanted to make you think Naegi isn't the detective at all, buit rather Kirigiri. (Perspective trick 1, refer to 'Sleeping Murder' to get something similar) - However Naegi was still the detective all the time, rather than Kirigiri who may be 'a detective' but not the detective of the story.
