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Lukes YGO & WS on YT · 2018-02-02, 17:16

Spoiler for Episode 5 Comments/Feedback:

vietthai96 · 2018-02-03, 00:08

Episode 5 Review:

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MeoTwister5 · 2018-02-03, 00:30

God god there are so many quality scenes in this episode 5...

Marcus H. · 2018-02-03, 01:21

Calling Yukari a "revisionist" is some strong words from Ellen desu!

Marina2 · 2018-02-03, 01:25

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

God god there are so many quality scenes in this episode 5...

It must be good thing that I didn't notice anything you said while watching.

Marcus H. · 2018-02-03, 01:36

The only thing I noticed is the coloring error for Kaoru's hair (the "puppy ears" were black) when she was climbing up that cliff.

IceHism · 2018-02-03, 11:24

Kanami so strong, doesn't even have to really fight seriously

arkhangelsk · 2018-02-03, 11:26

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Originally Posted by IceHism

Kanami so strong, doesn't even have to really fight seriously

Well, I think she was quite serious this time, but she's definitely having an easier time with her opponent than Hiyori was. One wonders how much of it is because Shidou is stronger and how much of it is because Kanami is stronger.

Marina2 · 2018-02-03, 14:19

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Originally Posted by IceHism

Kanami so strong, doesn't even have to really fight seriously

To be fair, all Kanami did was blocking the attack. It not that she gained upper hand over her opponent.

Marcus H. · 2018-02-03, 20:24

Also, considering Kanami, she probably had everything planned. Kanami is aware that they'll end up with Elite Guards as enemies, so all they have to do is overpower one of them and escape. (She probably knew it from the part where Ellen's spectrum sensor didn't pick up the Aradama and their previous talk about certain Aradama being assigned as an exception, and well, their enemy has always been the Origami Family faction.) What baffled me was that they decided to attack Maki instead of the clearly much weaker Suzuka. I guess Kanami thought that defeating Maki means a massive loss of power for the pursuers, based on their one-on-one experience with the two Elite Guards.

In any case, poor Suzuka for being underestimated like that.

vietthai96 · 2018-02-03, 21:52

Kanami even pay half-ass attention to Suzuka

arkhangelsk · 2018-02-03, 22:09

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Originally Posted by vietthai96

Kanami even pay half-ass attention to Suzuka

I wouldn't go that far - if she had that much of an edge ... she would simply have beaten Suzuka.

vietthai96 · 2018-02-03, 23:50

Well we don't know if Kanami go all-out, the only thing she care is Hiyori, she in guard mode and Suzuka even though pressure Kanami, can't go pass her defense. Beside Suzuka kenjutsu style revolve around opponent aggressive attack to create opening, if Kanami just go on defense mode Suzuka can't do much thing, well conclusion Suzuka can be beaten if not for her experience for going to Final Match two time and being a Elite Guard. I swear Kanami will beat almost everyone when it come down to swordmanship alone

MeoTwister5 · 2018-02-04, 03:17

Kanami is actually starting to feel a bit like a Mary Sue, and hopefully this doesn't happen.

Marcus H. · 2018-02-04, 03:47

Kanami is a "counter-puncher", and she has shown enough wisdom to not fight battles she cannot win. This is very different from the typical protagonist who charges headstrong into battle. Also, as vietthai96 has said, Suzuka is also specializes in countering, so what Suzuka did in the entire match is inconsistent to her swordsmanship style and so she cannot do anything if she was forced to be offensive.

If Kanami is a Mary Sue, then both Ikki Kurogane (Rakudai Kishi) and Glenn Radars (Akashic Records) are Mary Sues. But they are not Mary Sues. They are better called as counterplay strategists. Whatever brute strength the enemy holds can be taken down by enough strength and tons of cunning.

Kazu-kun · 2018-02-04, 04:12

If they always come on top with their strategies, they're still mary sues.

MeoTwister5 · 2018-02-04, 04:26

By definition a Mary Sue and a Gary Stu are those who can succeed with nary a scratch in any given situation, no matter how far south it goes. Even the best tacticians and counter fighters can't successfully counter everything, especially Kanami who has none of the years of experience of her seniors.

There should be no reason for her to counter-act everything the plot throws at her. It's early in the run so of course there should be a natural threat progression and it's still within suspension of disbelief to assume things are still within her abilities, but as things stands if we reach halfway through the story and she's still managing to outsmart and outfight the heavy hitters then we have a problem.

Kazu-kun · 2018-02-04, 05:07

Think whatever you want, but if someone wins every time with minimal problems, that's a Mary Sue to me. It doesn't matter how they pull it off.

The show still has time to fix this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Marcus H. · 2018-02-04, 06:12

Having a Mary Sue, especially if it's not as blatant as Tatsuya Shiba, patron saint of supremacy in plot, is the least of my concerns in the show.

Marina2 · 2018-02-04, 06:25

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Think whatever you want, but if someone wins every time with minimal problems, that's a Mary Sue to me. It doesn't matter how they pull it off.

The show still has time to fix this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Kanami and Hiyori can't win the fight with Kaoru and Elen though. The limitation of their power had been set and showed.

But of course you probably still call them "Mary Sue" because they outwitted them by escaping.

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People nowadays seem to use the word "Gary Stu" and "Mary Sue"as a convenience way to talk bad on character when they can't think of other reasons why they want to dislike main character. Thus, the words keep having less and less meaning. MC can't be strong/unbeatable in his/her story without being "Mary Sue" eh?. How do people define "wins with minimal problems" anyway? how much is not 'minimal problems'? If there is no clear meaning, and it differs from person to person, then any MC can be potentially called "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue".

2018-02-02, 17:16	Link #141
Lukes YGO & WS on YT Naracchi & Saracchi Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Australia Age: 40	Spoiler for Episode 5 Comments/Feedback: Even aradama's can be pervs lol. So now we know a little bit more about Ellen, Kaoru & their organization. As expected the elite guards are super strong, the teamwork of Kanami & Hiyori once again was able to find a way to escape for now. Yomi is a real handful being able to create aradama like that, she must have a limit though, you can't just keep cutting yourself up like that forever. __________________ Waifu Anime Video Game Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3a...dHFzXbqPV47c-A YU-GI-OH! YOUTUBE CHANNEL https://www.youtube.com/user/EternalDragonOfChaos/about https://myanimelist.net/profile/LukesYGO_WSonYT

2018-02-03, 00:08	Link #142
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	Episode 5 Review: Spoiler: - A new development between Hiyori and Kanami, it seem like Kanami is more than just a cheerful, simple mind and kenjutsu enthusiast - It seem that there is more mystery to Aradama and Yomi reveal she is a Aradama herself, that explain her emotion and dialog - With this kind of thing going on Kanami and Hiyori soon will become escape artist more than swordmanship artist __________________

2018-02-03, 00:30	Link #143
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	God god there are so many quality scenes in this episode 5... __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-02-03, 01:21	Link #144
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Calling Yukari a "revisionist" is some strong words from Ellen desu! __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2018-02-03, 01:36	Link #146
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	The only thing I noticed is the coloring error for Kaoru's hair (the "puppy ears" were black) when she was climbing up that cliff. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2018-02-03, 11:24	Link #147
IceHism Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	Kanami so strong, doesn't even have to really fight seriously

2018-02-03, 20:24	Link #150
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Also, considering Kanami, she probably had everything planned. Kanami is aware that they'll end up with Elite Guards as enemies, so all they have to do is overpower one of them and escape. (She probably knew it from the part where Ellen's spectrum sensor didn't pick up the Aradama and their previous talk about certain Aradama being assigned as an exception, and well, their enemy has always been the Origami Family faction.) What baffled me was that they decided to attack Maki instead of the clearly much weaker Suzuka. I guess Kanami thought that defeating Maki means a massive loss of power for the pursuers, based on their one-on-one experience with the two Elite Guards. In any case, poor Suzuka for being underestimated like that. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2018-02-03, 21:52	Link #151
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	Kanami even pay half-ass attention to Suzuka __________________

2018-02-03, 23:50	Link #153
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	Well we don't know if Kanami go all-out, the only thing she care is Hiyori, she in guard mode and Suzuka even though pressure Kanami, can't go pass her defense. Beside Suzuka kenjutsu style revolve around opponent aggressive attack to create opening, if Kanami just go on defense mode Suzuka can't do much thing, well conclusion Suzuka can be beaten if not for her experience for going to Final Match two time and being a Elite Guard. I swear Kanami will beat almost everyone when it come down to swordmanship alone __________________

2018-02-04, 03:17	Link #154
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Kanami is actually starting to feel a bit like a Mary Sue, and hopefully this doesn't happen. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-02-04, 03:47	Link #155
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Kanami is a "counter-puncher", and she has shown enough wisdom to not fight battles she cannot win. This is very different from the typical protagonist who charges headstrong into battle. Also, as vietthai96 has said, Suzuka is also specializes in countering, so what Suzuka did in the entire match is inconsistent to her swordsmanship style and so she cannot do anything if she was forced to be offensive. If Kanami is a Mary Sue, then both Ikki Kurogane (Rakudai Kishi) and Glenn Radars (Akashic Records) are Mary Sues. But they are not Mary Sues. They are better called as counterplay strategists. Whatever brute strength the enemy holds can be taken down by enough strength and tons of cunning. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2018-02-04, 04:12	Link #156
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	If they always come on top with their strategies, they're still mary sues. __________________

2018-02-04, 04:26	Link #157
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	By definition a Mary Sue and a Gary Stu are those who can succeed with nary a scratch in any given situation, no matter how far south it goes. Even the best tacticians and counter fighters can't successfully counter everything, especially Kanami who has none of the years of experience of her seniors. There should be no reason for her to counter-act everything the plot throws at her. It's early in the run so of course there should be a natural threat progression and it's still within suspension of disbelief to assume things are still within her abilities, but as things stands if we reach halfway through the story and she's still managing to outsmart and outfight the heavy hitters then we have a problem. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-02-04, 05:07	Link #158
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Think whatever you want, but if someone wins every time with minimal problems, that's a Mary Sue to me. It doesn't matter how they pull it off. The show still has time to fix this but I wouldn't hold my breath. __________________

2018-02-04, 06:12	Link #159
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Having a Mary Sue, especially if it's not as blatant as Tatsuya Shiba, patron saint of supremacy in plot, is the least of my concerns in the show. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.