Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 50 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Ernietheracefan]

Finally watching this, and I must say that was a quite good ending. Yeah I know Rustal is having a Karma Houdini but at least many of the Tekkadan members are alive & well (except for Ride, for the time being) and Iok was crushed slowly..

And my prediction about the "bad" ending were true..

[Muu094]

After viewing the ending I say that its a solid finale and possibly the best outcome the Tekkadan members could possibly get given their circumstance. Though I believe it would've been much better had the ending had a better foundation laid earlier within the season. Rustal was a terrific antagonist for the series but with lack of understanding of Rustal's true methods combined with his presentation as the "Lawful Evil" of the series, makes his decision to go for a democratic system seems out of character: even if it is just a means to consolidate power on Earth. Oddly enough Kudelia ended up becoming the Sovereign of Mars either through Gjallahorn wanting to save face and not deal with another McGillis or Rustal simply not being bother to try and find someone else to prop up.

The only thing(s) that actually bugged me about the finale are Julieta and Gaelio. The former for being handed a win for a battle she didn't even fight against a character she's repeatedly lost to and the later for getting off with only loosing his legs. The apology he offers also seems half-hearted considering his actions did nothing but cause Tekkadan trouble throughout the series.

Rustal getting away with Proxy Wars and War Crimes is appalling in itself, but can't hate that the dude knew just how to play his cards. The only time he was in any danger was when Shino had his shot lined up and that was possibly just a chance encounter.

Sure it may not be the best ending but it is conclusive and wraps up mostly everything besides Almiria's fate and "Punished" Ride. Oh and seeing adult Atra is strange but not unpleasent.

[wissenschaft]

This type of ending could have been done much better if Gaelio was the one enacting reforms. If Rustal won but was killed by Gaelio and he took over and made reforms, It would be very shocking but at least it would make sense. Gaelio kills Macky because he killed Carta but Gaelio also realizes Macky was right about the corruption and swears to enact sweeping reforms. We could have gotten scenes of Gaelio this season considering how to get rid of the corruption in this world.

I don't believe for one second that Rustal would enact democracy in the name of maintaining order. Democracies do not have a track record of stability in areas with no previous under central control. Rustal would be a Tyrant and I've seen nothing this season to convince me otherwise.

[Stark700]

I'm not too surprised that Mika took the fall in the end. At least he'll get to see Orga now.

Julieta surviving to the end though? I got mixed thoughts on that....
As for the finale itself, it felt kinda underwhelming. While I liked the action on most parts, the conclusion made me roll my eyes a bit in particular at how everything played out.

I'm also really underwhelmed by Kudelia's role in all of this. It just feels that she could of done more in the end. Overall, 7/10. I personally liked the first season better. Some of the episodes after Naze's death didn't impress me. Seeing Iok die in the finale was very satisfying however. This was quite a roller coaster of emotions

[Skaddix]

Rustal reforming Gjhallahorn so he is the only power makes sense. Not sure how he got the rest to go along...however it doesn't stop McGillis, a guy as driven as McGillis would have climbed to the top anyway, he was actually competent compared to Julietta and Galieo, Iok and Carta. Democracy or a Fake One doesn't stop coups. I suppose it does stop incompetent inheriting but depending on who decides promotions you can still have incompetents running key post. It also removes checks and balances.

The bigger problem is why Martian Independence. If Tekkadan had actually been super popular on Mars then I could see why Rustal would feel the need to give Mars Independence after crushing them. Or if it came out he scapegoated them and then used war crimes on them. But according to the writers Tekkadan was never popular on Mars outside kids thinking they were cool. And seeing as Rustal is still in power I don't see any leaks of War Crimes. Ergo logically I cant see why Rustal would ever need to give it. There is no ground swelling of support for Tekkadan to justify changing the system. If anything putting Kudelia and a bunch of former Tekkadan members in charge with the help of Teiwaz has a massive chance of causing a Civil War. Because while the General Public doesn't know what happened all of those people do know. And there is no way Rustal can know that only Ride is going to want revenge.

Beyond that why did Orga die again? It didn't develop Mika. Mostly because Mika was like welp I am going to die soon anyway holding the line as per Orga's Last Orders. It would only impact Mika if he stayed alive after Orga died for longer. They died what a couple hours apart? A day? So was it to develop Ride? Because that is just BS. Ride could easily go on a murder spree just based on Mika, Ahkiro and Hush getting slaughtered. Plus Ride is supporting. Or was it to just to give Kudelia some loyal supporters. I mean sheesh not like Gordon even ordered the hit himself. So it just seems to me they wanted to kill Orga for no reason.

[Shawdawg]

Originally Posted by AswgLaghima08

Lmaooo people pissed at Dainsleif are also super fans of UC series that fill the whole battle field with beams and explosions. Btw only 3 of 6 shots landed
Is it an OP weapon? Yea of course everything on the show is pretty OP. But had more mobile armors been introduced then with that you have to let them and the plumas kill lots of people like a Colony.
But by instead having Flauros' railgun be the reason Iok pulled out this banned weapon makes sense, fire with fire. Now the way Iok used it was wrong and thats why so many people hate on it. Rustal uses it to minimize his loses or to just flat out finish the fight. Hell Dainsleif had to be created before the CW because mobile suits were around and fighting duels and stuff. Simply put every weapon in the show is fair game if it kills humans , Devils and Angels

Except Flauros' Railgun did not use the same ammo type as the one Rustal and Iok was using, only at the end did he load one of those shots. Flauros' Railgun was a legal weapon of war, only if it didn't use the Danslief ammo. Iok lied back then and framed Naze for saying they were using illegal weaponry.

It is great how it was pretty much Iok's loyal followers who made him suffer his final fate. If Akihiro didn't know it was him, he might've just beat him to a pulp and just destroy him and his suit. But since they yelled out his name, Akihiro wanted him to suffer.

[Skaddix]

My impression was more Akhiro would have just went down. He only got the final burst of energy because it was Iok.

Iok dying was more to throw us a bone though see not all the antagonist got away scott free.
Problem is it was diluted by Mika falling unconscious allowing Julietta a free win so she can stick Barbatos head on her sword and make a speech about defeating the devil .

[chi4ko]

I loved the last episode. I wanted the most twisted ending I could imagine and I got it. Tekkadan SUCH FOOLS. Atra wanted a baby to keep Mika alive - her master plan didn't work out quite well.

Oh, and thanks Tekkadan for having Mcgillis killed - without your efforts there would be no Gjhallahorn reform.

[erneiz_hyde]

Julietta had me scratching my head. "Why do you keep fighting?" Why do you guys keep trying to kill us lol? Rustal and his gang is hypocrisy incarnate and they won. As if we needed a reminder of how the world works when we stare at it everyday. I cannot help but think that the writing mid way changed because it's becoming too long already and they needed to end it, so they just killed them all.

[Skaddix]

Yeah Julietta might be dumber then Iok quite frankly.

Gee I don't know my BFF is dead because of your side, Shino is dead because of you, you currently want to kill us all, your side is responsible for lots of Dead Turbines, dead civilians, etc.

[LG-MAX 2.o]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

So Yeah, it's alright when Tekkadan does it and unforgivable if they are on it receiving side. I get it.

Best comment of the topic.

Christ, there are always claims of how "Westerners are more mature and open minded than the Japanese," but when we see something not clichéd and unexpected there are only complaints here. Accept, Tekkadan lost, they from the beginning traced a path of blood, Orga was warned of this several times during the series, they died according to the path they created.

On Mikazuki vs Julieta, I myself expected something different, but on the battlefield what matters is to kill the enemy, the rest is unnecessary, Although this does not lessen the frustration. I cared for Mika.


Overall it was a good gundam, I will see again and post afterwards if I changed my mind.

[Muu094]

Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

On Mikazuki vs Julieta, I myself expected something different, but on the battlefield what matters is to kill the enemy, the rest is unnecessary, Although this does not lessen the frustration. I cared for Mika.

The problem I take with Mikazuki vs Julieta,at least the final battle, is that it never actually took place. By the time Julieta took part in the final battle Mika was overclocked and dying from blood loss. She didn't even deal the finishing blow as Mika was unconscious and did little more than carve up a corpse despite having an upgraded MS.

[Rising Dragon]

I think you all should understand that Julieta took no pleasure in that fight, and that you should take some comfort in the fact that she realized eventually why they fought and acknowledged their humanity. She's neither a bad soldier, nor a bad person--just devoted to someone who's kind of a dick, to put it lightly.

Her taking credit for Mikazuki's death and such, that's all politics. If anything she probably wasn't even given a say in the matter.

[Muu094]

Well yeah I don't fault Julieta as a character but rather her role, or lack thereof, in the finale. Instead of having a true trope subversion by Mika dying from horde mode, it is spoiled by giving him a named opponent who didn't really do anything or was a match for him in any of their encounters.

I do appreciate that her acknowledgement of Tekkadan's humanity as her feeling were genuine despite her devotion. She's probably the only one outside of Tekkadan's fold that feels this way.

[Rising Dragon]

But you DID have Mika dying from horde mode. The orbital bombardment certainly did a number on him, but it only got worse from the damage sustained by the Gjallarhorn troops afterwards and his own going past his limits while injured. That Julieta participated means little in the overall scheme of the battle.

[Skaddix]

Oh Julietta feels real bad working for a monster. You know that defense got disproven with Nuremberg Right.

[Rising Dragon]

I'm sorry, was there a legitimate point you were trying to make by putting words in my mouth? If not, do stay silent. The adults are talking now.

[Skaddix]

Sure I am saying I don't give a damn that Julietta feels real bad about working for a mass murder when she hasn't done anything about it besides benefit.

My favs are all dead. Julietta is in line for President and has a hot BF.

And unlike Rustal she didn't even earn her win.

[Muu094]

Well it was horde mode that led to Mika being in the condition he was in when Julieata finally arrived. I suppose in a way its probably better for the fans that she was there to at least provide some form of closure from an outsiders perspective. Then again the merits of the fight itself still bug me as Julieta came out the victor of a fight that didn't really happen: she even had a new frame for her MS to give the illusion that a final fight took place.

[Rising Dragon]

New Frame? It was just a repaired Reginlaze Julia. We knew from models that it had normal legs that are normally obscured in its space use mode.