2011-06-24, 20:37 | Link #1041 | |
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2011-06-24, 23:01 | Link #1042 |
a random Indonesian otaku
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yeah! I enjoy the economic theme in this anime.... maybe it's the first anime for me that represents the modern economy world
I don't see any problems with the kiss... Even though Msyu will be his daughter... Msyu always his asset... there is no incest there.... lol maybe the writer leaves the opinion about Msyu's true identity for us... we have right to decide whether Msyu is Kimimaro's daughter or Kimimaro's wife..... I prefer wife.... lol |
2011-06-25, 04:07 | Link #1044 | ||
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2011-06-25, 06:51 | Link #1046 |
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The final episode was... really not what I expected.
Still trying to gather my thoughts on what I think of this overall. But it's nice to see that there's still a lot of positive views on this series
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2011-06-25, 11:10 | Link #1050 |
In the Tatami Galaxy ↓
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It was a great run. The series is definitely not a masterpiece, but it was certainly great for me.
I wrote up on the final set of symbols from the show, as well as my explication on the philosophy of hope here. The ending was all right for me.
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2011-06-25, 15:32 | Link #1052 | ||
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This show is definitely something you got to sit back and enjoy and not take too seriously, otherwise you're just hit a million and one roadblocks.
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2011-06-25, 15:44 | Link #1053 |
Crossdressing Menmatic
Join Date: Feb 2011
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C - The Money and Soul of Possibility Control
[C] is my second favorite anime this season and for good reason (rhymes!). The writers realized most viewers aren't interested in the particular nuances of how an economy works. Personally I am more concerned with how the economy impacts the everyday lives of ordinary people, otherwise known as econoethics. Should we save up our money for the future or spend what we have to survive? Indeed both sides of the argument have strong points in their favor. Some people only have enough money to survive in the present; there is no choice for the poor but to make the bare minimum. And yet for affluent investors up on top of the economic pyramid, the responsibility truly falls upon them to give the impoverished many a future. The final episode represents the final clash of these two ideals, and future wins. However, the penultimate scene has a higher power stating both sides were correct. According to the higher power, each person presents their own philosophy, and the world is better off because of the diversity in ideas. I disagree as many people think in ways I could never respect. Just look at all the tyrants, dictators, and slaughterers that have stood atop mankind's societies, and you'll see who I mean. The world did get better because of their existence, but only because justice prevailed in the end. If Mikuni succeeded, then Japan would have died. I will admit the animation in episode 11 was top notch. Mikuni and Kimimaro slashed at each other rapidfire while Mashu and Q blasted each other with their flations. The one scene when Mashu fired off Scorched Earth is particularly impressive; I could see the laser beams homing in on Q. Indeed if the whole series were animated as diligently and magnificently, then people wouldn't be complaining about the shallow economic ideas. Some episodes didn't even have a deal to show off the special effects, while some deals were cut short and sometimes even omitted (Kimimaro vs. Sennoza). I believe the great animation is the show's strongest point, but there's simply not enough of it. Ultimately, however, I am very pleased at [C]. Among many ethical questions, I find myself still engaged in how rich people, the most powerful people in our world, should be acting to protect the world's future. I hope [C] inspires other animation companies to venture into philosophical debates in other fields of study, and perhaps some day people will realize anime can have moral significance. Despite the surface approach to economic theory, I found myself quite fulfilled by how every character brought their personal ideals to the fray. Also, Mashu is awesome. Episode 11 Rating: 9/10 Cumulative Average Rating: 8.77/10 (B+) |
2011-06-25, 16:03 | Link #1054 | |
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It's that it was never really about ethics: it was either Mikuni and his immediate ruin of all Japan (where's your present, bitch?), or Kimimarou and his sunny "everything is fine, somehow. Except for the yen, but who cares about that? Not the Japanese, apparently." How is that a tough choice? How is that competing ethics? If, say, Mikuni's course had doomed Japan to a slow but certain death, with few outward symptoms in the present, while Kimimaro's got half the population killed, but at the same time gave the remaining half the opportunity to pick themselves up by the bootstratps and come back stronger, then yeah, I could see it. But as it is? The hell? |
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2011-06-25, 16:34 | Link #1055 | |
Crossdressing Menmatic
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I know accepting the idea as valid is very difficult if the proponent is insane, but Mikuni wasn't always eye-twitchingly absurd. Before the final episode there were very intriguing back and forth discussions between Kimimaro, Mikuni, Jennifer, and Sennoza. Mikuni seemed more levelheaded back then. I know you despise the ending, but are you going to say the previous 10 episodes of conflicting econoethics were equally deplorable? |
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2011-06-25, 16:57 | Link #1056 |
I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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I'd say they ended up being inconsequential.
They weren't all that understandable to start with. And in the end, we're left without... consequences. That's what lacking. If their ethics don't guide their actions, which then have logical consequences, then they're just shooting the breeze. We don't need anime characters to do that, unless they're cute high school girls or something. |
2011-06-25, 17:23 | Link #1057 | ||
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What part of the show wasn't understandable? I seem to remember people stating the show is too simplistic, but they all understood the underlying contrast between present and future. I'm just saying the ideas are rather direct and straightforward; if you don't understand them, then you'll have to elaborate further as to which parts you don't comprehend.
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Even Kimimaro's actions have consequences. In the final scene when he sits on a park bench and looks around, he sees the effect of his own existence reflected in the futures of Japanese people. You can complain about a cop-out, saccharine ending all you want, but a lot of anime do exactly that. I think you're putting down the show without even giving the story a fighting chance. Quote:
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2011-06-25, 17:39 | Link #1058 | |||
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It ended up not being a fight of (believable) ethics. It was a fight between a nihilistic villain bent on world country destruction, even if he covered it up with some saintly words, and a messiah who dies for our sins. Quote:
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2011-06-25, 21:39 | Link #1060 | |
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They might have tried just that, but it didn't really work for me. I mean Kimimaro started out as a character who's afraid to spend money, lest he has too little in the future, but this ended up counting for little more than "a guy treasuring his asset". Typical fighting show, different flavour. Occasionally interesting. 6/10 |
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