2008-07-19, 08:56 | Link #501 |
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To be completely honest, besides like the first episode or something (or 3, whatever) there's rarely been a chance to even show specific features or what not of the Macross Mecha. While the first time I saw Frontier I was overwhelmed by the sheer speed of the dogfights and fireworks, it quickly got old as I can see the similarity in the model shooting stance and what not, and specially when something like Gundam 00 or Code Geass has shown that it pays to not recycle, that really hurts Frontier. At this point, I'm more distinguished with Sutherland Knightmare Frames than the VF-25 simply due to no FOCUS on it's abilities. Sure, there are scenes with awesome shoot outs, but that means NOTHING. There is no blatant emphasize on the mechs abilities.
First up is the terminology. Almost nowhere in the series can you get the information you get in this thread. I don't care how cool the box specs are, if you can't immerse the viewership with it during the damn TV show, it ain't worth jack. Spec talk scenes are also INCREDIBLY boring and forgotten quick if it doesn't make a relevance within that episode. The only thing I can recall from Frontier atm is that stupid Warphole thingy the LIA provided for their trip to sing for the giants. And I don't even know the damn name of that thing anymore. Second is the methods of pretty much plugging your terminology into the viewers. While Gundam shows more or less don't need to since they have ridiculously unique suits for the main cast and don't give two craps about the grunts, Code Geass does an EXCELLENT job. Lelouch commanding the resistance using Sutherlands gave us words like Slash Harken which we'd never have an equivalent to for a Zaku (UNLESS YOU COUNT THE HEAT AXE LOL) let alone Macross. Third is how overwhelming VF-25 and more importantly giant Macross is. VF-25 if you sheerly look at it from a movie perspective, is balls on the walls more cooler than any gundam from 00 or Knightmare from Code geass in a battle from the choreography. But that's talking about a 90 minute episode, NOTHING MORE. When it comes to a TV show, people like me start WONDERING wtf is going on with that super awesome looking chain gun, the missiles, etc etc. And the inconsistency of how long it takes or how much shots/missiles you need to kill Vajra REALLY hurts. It's like, WTF WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WHEN YOU FIRST GOT THE SUIT AND NOW YOU CAN TWO SHOT THEM WITH BULLETS? The giant Macross just KILLS it because there's virtually ZERO purpose to being humanoid. You might as well equip a GIGANTIC cannon and armaments of missiles on the regular ship and THERE YOU GO. It has shown no NEED to move around fluidly nor has it shown it CAN. So to sum it up, the thing I really hate about macross tech are: 1. Terms 2. Lack of nerd content during episodes 3. Too much nerd fanservice without proper handling Like, one thing I really like about Macross is they mix music and fighting well. Not like theme/bgm music, but songs. If only you actually had the fight scenes with actually tech/nerd talk instead of OORRYAAAAA NOOO DONT DIE CAST NUMBER 43, or GO TO HELL VAJRA and pretty much BORING crap that can come from ANY genre, it'd feel more real. But from what I can get from these forums, Macross ain't about that, so leave it to gundam I guess? |
2008-07-19, 09:06 | Link #502 |
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^ cough you hit it right on the money, it's not what macross is about.
As taken from a "new battlestar galatica" interview. "A lot of shows forget that SCI-FI is a setting not a story" Don't forget frontier is incorporating all the technology from the other macross series. You'd probably like Plus as it's about a prototype fighter competition. There a much larger tech focus (but not the main focus by any stretch) and Zero where the 1st VF prototypes are first deployed (though the story will probably bore you to tears). --edit in-- Also Macross has NEVER been about realism (M7 proved that), if anything it's about the strength of human emotion Last edited by squaresphere; 2008-07-19 at 10:16. |
2008-07-19, 09:42 | Link #503 |
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Actually, most of the relevant tech talk is in the show but there is no made-to-serve silver platter of Star Trek-style technobabble. I couldn't agree more with squaresphere; the Battlestar Galactica (re-imagined) analogy is dead on and technobabble is definitely NOT what Macross has ever been about, and thank gawd for that
SDF Macross told a war drama with emphasis on character/theme where all the mecha were treated as mass produced war vehicles, not ridiculous one-of-a-kind super robots. This format is specifically what makes Macross distinct from other genre shows like Gundam or Patlabor. If Macross was just another mindless clone anime, such as all the transforming robot shows that tried to leech off the original, Macross wouldn't have survived as a franchise this long nor produced some of the best mecha anime ever. Personally, I've always loved the fact that Macross generally hasn't indulged in grandstanding tech talk, invincible powers or special shout-out attacks. I much prefer the use of skill like saurobird lifts, cobra maneuvers and transformation tactics rather than who pilots the best ultra-multi-phase-tachyon-zero-point-energy-(insert latest fringe science term to be abused here)-uber-mech or other such tech contrivance.
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2008-07-19, 10:32 | Link #504 | |
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MooMooFarm, I just want to ask, do you ever see people question the plausibility of some of the devices we wield in real life as extensively as say, Star Trek? Hopefully in your circumstances the answer is no. After all, most of us taken some of the best technologies mankind could offer more or less for granted. Should we retain this attitude or not is debatable, but thats another story.
Likewise, in the Macross world, people have already taken most of the in-universe technological content more or less for granted. One thing I hate about Star Trek, and never gotten myself to watching it was due to the technobabble in the series. As if all of the Federation's existent technologies were like new discoveries. Nobody talks like them given the same situation in Macross (thank goddess for that) or even real life, and you will never see this kind of babbling even in the military. With that said, Macross is very down to earth in regards to its weapons. There aren't BS or twists in between, with maybe the exception to the all-time famed Itano Circus. Otherwise, weapons fire from point A to point B, no gimmicks, just good ol' destructive fun. Quote:
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2008-07-19, 10:36 | Link #505 | |
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Not in Frontier though. "Dialogue" almost exclusively consists of ass-smelling, "Transformation!", and screaming. Someone compared Frontier to Top Gun, and I think that's an apt comparison. Now, imagine if Top Gun ran for five hours straight. Do really you think that would have made for a good movie? |
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2008-07-19, 11:53 | Link #506 |
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I'd like to point out, March, that mecha in Patlabor were rather down to earth; the Ingram's 37mm revolver used depowered shells that were based off existing 47mm ammo, and most of the labors we saw were industrial use. The one and only labor with an energy weapon was scrapped as being to cost-ineffective to use as well
...though I admit the Griffon has no excuses. Though the Helldiver was fuckin' cool. And awesome. It would be a dream come true for Kawamori. He's a big Top Gun fan.
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2008-07-20, 01:28 | Link #508 |
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Mecha rant ON
It's been bugging me since Ep 6. Has anybody identified the model of this VF? Please don't tell me it'll be like the VF-4. You'll see the plane mode but not the battroid mode or gerwalk mode on screen. YF-24 to VF-25 YF-24 VF-25 Is it possible that the VF-27 is also derived from the YF-24? Macross Galaxy Still can't make head or tails where the NMC is. I'm starting to think this is the biggest Macross there is. If the people behind Galaxy are from the Global they may also have adopted the whole SDF Macross concept on it. |
2008-07-20, 02:29 | Link #509 | ||
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Wait this is interesting The front part of galaxy snaps down,, |
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2008-07-20, 06:54 | Link #510 |
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Snaps down? I don't get it.
Mahq.net VF-25F VF-25S VF-27 Looking at it closely it seems the VF-25 and VF-27 are sister designs. Using the same internal parts. Which reminds me how the VF-14 Nightmare design was converted into the Fz-109A Elgerzorene by the Protodevlin. Making the VF-27 sort of a true enemy Valkyrie for the VF-25. Since Grace had a LAI dimension eater I'm presuming that LAI has divisions on both Frontier and Galaxy. Both divisions took the YF-24's design aspects and made them into their own fighter designs. LAI Frontier made the VF-25 as a simple all around operations fighter with several variants. With compatible super packs and armor packs. LAI Galaxy on the otherhand made the VF-27 a special stealth operations fighter along the lines of the VF-22. Galaxy Anonymous initially rated the VF-25 as merely a grunt VF using regular Ex-gear interface while the VF-27 they have is aces caliber using direct brain control with implants and cybernetics. They forgot that it isn't the machine that makes the difference but the pilot. SMS has elite level pilots. |
2008-07-20, 20:48 | Link #513 |
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2008-07-20, 21:24 | Link #514 |
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I dunno I must be missing it, cause I'm not seeing what everyone else is with Galaxy. The only thing i'm wondering is if the bottom segment was designed to be separate or if that section got blow off at some point and they "fixed" it as best they could.
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Havent seen the GG yet so i went of based on the Kei one. Quote:
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2008-07-21, 05:41 | Link #517 | |
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Well I assumed that this fighter is the mainstay fighter of Galaxy. But given the conspiracy we may have to re-evaluate that. For all we know the VF-27 is now their main fighter. |
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2008-07-22, 13:14 | Link #519 | |
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I'm even more impressed with inertial dampening tech used in Frontier even more |
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