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View Poll Results: True Tears - Episode 12 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 46 | 35.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 31.30% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 12.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 9.16% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.53% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.76% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 2.29% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.53% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.76% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 7 | 5.34% | |
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2008-03-24, 23:12 | Link #181 | ||
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^That screencap by itself was just...hilarious, given Shin's facial expression and the words below it.
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As for the kiss; Jun's been a calculating individual throughout the series. To think that he'd make a move for his sister right after her little overnight drama in the chickencoop when she's at her most emotionally fragile state, to me, didn't make sense at all. After all, he wants her to be happy, right? Why would he pull something like that when she obviously needs brotherly comfort, and not of the sexual sort? Quote:
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2008-03-24, 23:20 | Link #182 |
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I don't really care about the ending anymore. The writing was really good in the first half and fell apart in the second. Too many silly cliffhangers and plot twists solely created for lol drama and the huge letdown on the Shin's mom issue. Also unless Aiko does something like talk to Hiromi/Noe about how she got over shin, what's the friggin point of her?
edit: The way it is now, I'm thinking the best end would be Shin leaving and going to art school. Thanking Noe for inspiring him and apologising to Hiromi. Single end. Last edited by Stretch5920; 2008-03-24 at 23:47. |
2008-03-25, 00:11 | Link #184 | |
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To be honest, I thought about it and the best explanation that I could come up with is that Jun comes to the realization that he's going to finally stop "forcing" Noe to rely on him in some sense. Everything he's done for Noe (until Hiromi's statement) he's done with her interest in mind. But I think he realizes that he's overprotected her in the sense of making all of the big decisions for her or steering her along certain paths. For the first time he decides he's just going to show her his feelings and let her decide on her own whether to accept his feelings or reject them. I also think that provides an explanation for his tears at that moment. He realizes in some sense that a lot of things he's done for her were actually for his own piece of mind as he says "I've done a lot of selfish things", and he finally gets peace from the release of telling her his true feelings and going for the kiss that he always wanted. So I guess what I'm saying is that he's finally freeing her from his obsession with her happiness; that is, what he thought her happiness should be, and in that process is finally letting Noe decide what her happiness should be. |
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2008-03-25, 00:21 | Link #185 | |||||
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Of course No one doubts that . You are kinda manipulating what i said *_*. Its ok, I bet it was eaither meant as a joke or you didnt realize or maybe i wasnt clear enough. Here is what i said, Full sentence ( rather than partly),:
" He never said , he loves Hiromi or anything. He just said i will do everything properly" So i am obviously not saying , he didnt have feelings for her. Yes i am not denying that. He had feelings for her. It was mentioned many times during the series. I was talking about when she hugged her, when she kissed her and through out the series. Let me be more clear. He never in the whole series, Not even once, said to Hiromi that he liked her. There was more to my post, You gotta go 2 to 3 page back and read the whole thing . My apologies if i wasnt clear enough, But i think Deathkillz post does show what we are talking about. Any ways if you want to know my thoughts, here are the rest of them below. Quote:
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and as for the bike thing, well thats obvious thing to do. even at first episode it was stated that he had the feeling that she is depending on him. she lost her parents and shinchi, her childhood friend didnt her one bit she was suffering and shin didnt comfort her. at the very end he realizes that and he rushes to her side. i saw it more as apologizing to her than chasing because he loved her. So he was kind of saying " i am sorry that i didnt notice". Quote:
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Any ways, This is the type of anime that opinions will vary. So as long as we all say what we think, then maybe some other people will start thinking the same way. Many times i have thought of an event in anime in one way, but then i read other people's posts ( Including yours *_*, Which i usually like very much) and then changed my mind. But yeah, unless you can convince me with more evidence to back your post , i am sticking with my idea. P.S. Deathkillz, Your avatar looks as awesome as ever. Mind if i ask what anime it is from ?
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2008-03-25, 00:23 | Link #186 |
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I saw sooo expecting Noe to pull a Sekai. especially when she was sitting there with her hands over her ears.
anyways, if it ends up shin x noe, i will be soooooo upset. coupled with the inevitable sadness/awesomeness of next week's 00, aria ending, and some unforeseen circumstance, i think i might go into depression or throw fits of rage. now its basically two mythical forces competing with each other. Hiromi's "don't leave me alone" plus the power of their history at the festival together, vs Noe's i'll make you fly/i'll fly. which one will win, tune in next week. i know for a fact that if noe wins, thousands of fans will be pissed. you can't go your whole life loving someone, then you finally get the chance to be with them, then throw it away for some girl because she said something quirky to you on an occasion in school. it doesn't happen that way. you don't simply throw away a lifetime of love. you know the "don't leave me alone" at the festival will factor in somehow next ep. i'm looking forward to hiromi winning next ep. if not, the great harem series known as TT would have taken one of the worst u-turns i've ever seen in an anime. |
2008-03-25, 00:25 | Link #187 |
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Well, I will refrain from commenting this episode because it all depends on what happens next episode. This episode sets up for an upset, but that's no longer the issue for me. From episode 6 or so we have all been looking forward for how True Tears will present the last episode, because right now to me it doesn't really matter who wins, as long as they end it well.
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2008-03-25, 01:47 | Link #188 | |
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2008-03-25, 04:11 | Link #189 | ||
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2008-03-25, 07:31 | Link #192 |
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At first glance yes absolutely it can be taken that way but the writers have proven to be very deceitful with symbolisms in TT. The apple of my eye theory seems a clincher but i didnt get that Noe's reflection in his eye was him choosing her. The scene does serve a purpose, because Shin had some type of realization during the dance. However, if you take the preview for the next episode into account the poem is about Hiromi because it was first said in episode 1. If thats the case the poem and the apple of my eye theory cancel each other. What i got from the reflection was he saw something in Noe that he didnt see before. My guess he saw that she can actually fly and rushed after her to show her the book and whatever realization he had about her flying and probably to clear up his romantic feelings. What you say about the reflection in the eye could be true i just didnt get that feeling.
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2008-03-25, 07:53 | Link #193 | |||||||
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This scene made me laugh.
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Anything would do, just a simple "sorry Hiromi, I love Noe". Abit he will get slapped but that is the price for being an idiot Yet here we have now is Hiromi breakingdown. Dam you one track minded male leads >.> Quote:
I just took it as being that he loves her and he needed to chase her. The thing with thinking that it was because he wanted to apologise is rather...dumb to me. What is there to apologise now? Shin's indecisiveness drove her out of the house in the first place. But then apologising for being an ass works. Shame though as the viewers and Hiromi got the wrong vibes from it (though I still stand by saying that the bugger loves Hiromi ). Quote:
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2008-03-25, 10:22 | Link #194 |
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I disagree with the ShinxNoe ending. I think what will happen is that Shin will show Noe the completed picture book and say something like a "thank you". He will then go back to Hiromi and say something like, "I've done everything properly".
Reasons I think this will be the ending is that: 1) Noe strives to get her tears back. Heartbreak is pretty effective in inducing tears. 2) Hiromi strives to get Shin. EDIT: 3) I really don't think Shin actually loves/likes Noe. The only reason he had any interest in her was because of Noe's interest in him. I'm probably wrong since I don't know wtf is the whole "flying thing" and the "chickens". Although I knew that was going to happen to Noe after seeing that ending in the picture book.
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2008-03-25, 10:36 | Link #195 |
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First off, I still vote a 10/10 even though my favourite girl is now losing - or she has already lost.
Strong episode indeed, and it somehow counters things that happened on episode 10. Now it's Noe who has the bigger chance, I think the ending will be 70% Noe, 20% Hiromi and 10% no one. Damn you Shinichiro, you chase after Hiromi on episode 10 but now you want Noe!! >.<
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2008-03-25, 10:46 | Link #196 |
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Watched Episode 12.
My reaction to this episode can be more or less summed up in these lines: Hiromi: WTF, girl? Squeaky-bum time for you? Shin: WTF is wrong with you, boy?! Can you do something properly for once?! Noe: WTF. Just, plain, WTF. You know, True Tears was once so good that I couldn't help but proclaim that the character development had exceeded CLANNAD's level. But much of the great deal of goodwill I had towards this series just went 'poof' at Episode 9, and I've been losing more and more of it ever since. This episode isn't yet the last straw, but it's pretty close. At this rate, I'm not sure I care anymore whether it's Noe or Hiromi. 7/10. Blog article coming soon. |
2008-03-25, 11:30 | Link #197 |
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I'm at the point to where I'm really ready for the series to end. Ever since the middle way in the series, I havent really enjoyed it as much.
I think it really has to do with the fact I don't like Shin. It's okay to pick a girl and to flip flop once. But flip flopping twice in an anime really makes you look like a jerk. How can you spend the first half of the series always thinking about how you loved Hiromi (While you were with Noe). Then you get Hiromi and now all you think about is Noe. How can you root for a guy that does nothing but treat the girls like crap and makes them cry all the time lol. Not to mention the fact that the huge flaws in the final two girls remaining. Noe is completely insane, And Hiromi is just over possessive. Seriously I'm not rooting for ne one any more. I just hope everyone ends up single. |
2008-03-25, 11:35 | Link #198 |
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I also pretty much want this to end. The Shin and Hiromi relationship is just insane
Shin : I love Hiromi Hiromi : I think I'm Shin's brother so I'll date Jun to try to forget my feelings Shin : I'm an idiot so I'll date Noe to try to forget my feelings Hiromi : I can't take this anymore! I love you Shin! Shin : I love you too! Hiromi : Really? Shin : No, I'm going back to Noe now. kthxbai |
2008-03-25, 12:08 | Link #199 | |
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The only thing Shinichiro got right in this episode was the dance...
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2008-03-25, 12:08 | Link #200 |
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Did anyone else notice that at 4:30 of this episode, Shin said to himself "What was she saying? I was the one who superimposed Jibeta with myself. I was the one who did'nt realize Jibeta's strength".
Shin basically admitted that he represented himself as Jibeta at some point. I know there was a debate in episode 11 about who Jibeta was supposed to represent but here Shin is telling us that he "superimposed Jibeta" with himself. The writers might have given an element of foreshadowing by having Noe fall off the tree to parallel Jibeta's fall in episode 11, but at the time Shin was thinking of himself as Jibeta and not Noe because he "superimposed Jibeta" with himself. With that being said, while I think the interpretations for Raigomaru and Jibeta in episodes 9-11 were valid for those episodes, episode 12 brought another shift in his thinking as he watched and listened to Noe at the beginning of the episode. Since she jumped off the tree at the end of the episode and the preview has Noe saying "Shinichiro said that I can fly", Shin likely has given up on the association of Jibeta and himself, and instead probably associates Jibeta with Noe now. So now Shin is stuck with Raigomaru as representing him wanting to fly. Without using Jibeta as a separate representation of his feelings, I think it has evolved to the point where Raigomaru can represent him flying to either Hiromi or Noe because he has reconciled his separate feelings in Raigomaru and Jibeta into just Raigomaru. Look at his self-dialogue as he danced. "Before he had even realized it, Raigomaru had been lured by the red seeds...and was standing on top of the hill. I want to fly! Was it because he ate those red seeds(Noe)?. Or was it because of the white snow (Hiromi)? He did'nt know." And it continues for a bit afterwards. Anyway, I think that Shin realized and appreciated that Noe was the one who guided him into wanting to fly which is separate from actually wanting to fly for Noe. In the self-dialogue he was'nt really thinking in terms of who he wanted to fly for (symbolism: red seeds for Noe, white snow for Hiromi) because he said Raigomaru "did'nt know" the reason. He just wanted to show her his appreciation for helping him to fly, which is the realization that I think he came to, and that's why he was looking for Noe so he could tell her about the ending he had come up with and see what she thought of it. I think that's the resolution that Shin has come with in regards to his relationship with Noe. She's the 'angel' who guided him into flying but Hiromi is the one he has loved for years. With the writers showing Noe saying "The one in Shinichiro's heart...is Yuasa Hiromi" both at the end of episode 11 and yet again at the beginning of episode 12, that should only reinforce that path. If Shin does'nt do things properly with Noe by himself, she could be the one to help him do it because she realizes that Hiromi is the one in Shin's heart. It took her this long to realize the feelings that Shin and Hiromi have for each other, and also she has to now take into consideration her brother's feelings for her. Anyway, I'm interpreting things as still being consistent with the overall story. Shin was feeling guilty in episode 11 because he was 'officially' still dating Noe even though he was spending time with the girl he has liked for years. He still had a smile on his face when he came home after receiving Hiromi's kiss. He definitely was affected and had some self-doubt when he saw Jun at Hiromi's basketball game and later at the park. That shows that his feelings for Hiromi are still there, they did'nt 'shift' as some people said. It's just that when Noe did'nt come home, Shin started feeling worried on top of the guilt. He was concerned that he was hurting Noe even though she had inspired him into wanting to fly for Hiromi (ep 10 chase scene). Episode 12 to me is where he thinks and comes up with his answer. I was expecting Shin to resolve things at the beginning of the episode 12 because he had brought his picture book with him when looking for Noe. Unfortunately he was too confused to talk to her but now he seemed ready at the end of episode 12. While the lie told by Shin's mother set up all the major misunderstandings in this show I think they revealed it as a lie so that not only can Mrs. Nakagami redeem herself but also so that the mistakes that were a result of it can be corrected. Otherwise you could end up with Shin and Hiromi holding bitterness towards Shin's mother for preventing something that should /would have happened if it was'nt for her meddling. Even Mrs. Nakagami would feel bad about herself. It depends on whether they decide on a more idealistic or more messy ending. |
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