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Originally Posted by Vorenus
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It would make sense though, if she managed to connect the dots. After Geass and the big reveal last time, I suppose this could be classified as another small potatoes. I mean, I wonder if him being a student never struck her as a bit odd to be fighting against his own country
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All of this seems caused by a mistranslation from a particular group indeed.
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I never did like Eclipse, they always called the Order of the Black Knights just the Back Knights... >_>
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No, no way  ! It was her decision to deal with such important matters as governing Area 11.
I've always had an hard time bitting bullets like teenagers governing a complex country (Cagalli in SEED/Destiny, Lacus at the end of Destiny, etc...) but that aside, she said explicitely she went out and requested that role for herself...
Naïve idealism or not, if she decided she would want to assume this position, then she can not be forgiven so easily for any mistakes she does and I'm going to consider her like any other politician or country leader from now on.
I would be more forgiving if she had been appointed by the Emperor himself and forced in the position by either Imperial Authority, BlackMail to see her brother again, or Geass brain-washing... but it isn't the case so I'm not going to excuse any of her mistake and treat her like any other governor of this series.
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Meh, she's learning, I think she is anyway. Like I posted before, this was a way for her to show she could make her own decisions, so it's a good start in any case, a leader must be ready to make decisions on her own after all. We'll wait and see how it goes for her, she could turn out great, and if she screws up then hell, I'll pour the gasoline on top while you light the fire
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Happily Zero spoke fast enough to not be killed by overzealous Suzaku.
After all, this guy wants promotion and becoming Knight of One doesn't seem to be an easy task, even if the Emperor seems to rather like him...
People wanting to be promoted fast and to a much higher position they are at tend to be overzealous and do this kind of mistakes...
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That could be true, but at the same time it was rather understandable for Suzaku to regard the Order the way he did. After the last SAZ thanks to Lelouch, I guess he must have some serious reservations about the Order. Then again I suppose it would have at least been a bit better if he had tried to abide by his Governors words a little bit better... Wait a minute, he doesn't need to abide by her words now that I think about it, he's under the direct command of the Emperor!
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If I remember well, Clovis and Euphemia were his half-brother and sister and he killed them. Since Cornelia is nowhere to be seen so far, at this point she is supposed to be dead as well.
He did everything for Nunnally, which is a very small subset of his actual family since the Emperor seems to do it like a Rabbit.
Granted, Nunnally is only the family that matters to him, but killing your siblings is probably not the easiest thing to carry on psychologically nor the least evil thing to do in the World.
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You know I always forget about Clovis, mainly because after that ghetto cleansing Lelouch had all the justification to kill him... as for Euphie, well, he didn't want that to happen the way it did and in the end he was left with no other alternative, but Cornelia is 'missing' according to Guilford so we shouldn't assume she's dead or even claimed dead just yet. Plus she cleansed a ghetto once to track him down if I recall, and he thought she had something to do with his mother's death. Hope things work out between those two at least...
And now he isn't, good for him to have finally grown beyond that shell, his last hindrance has been removed!
I don't think it was easy for him, I mean he nearly threw up after Clovis and almost broke down in regret over Euphie. Still, there were reasons that helped to mitigate the acts as necessary, like I said I'm a result minded individual myself so given the options this was the most expedient means to a worthwhile end.
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Regarding his friends, he showed compassion for Shirley, but it is actually just self-guilt, which didn't stop him to follow his path (which is a decision I was happy with).
He also didn't bother putting the whole Ashford Academy in danger during the Black Rebellion and putting the Ashford family, the benevolent people who sheltered him and his dear sister, in face of even greater shame...
He put his friends on the line multiple times and it didn't seem to bother him so much... the only friend who he has shown deep concern for, is Suzaku.
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Ah, but it also made him more conscious about his actions, and aware of the moral responsibility he has taken up, as noted by his speech to Kallen about it afterwards.
He kind of put Ashford Academy on military lock down in order to
protect it, though I don't think any of us would have thought Tamaki would have been
that stupid near the end. As for the Ashford family, besides Milley who had nothing to do with it, Lelouch believes they only sheltered him and his sister in order to make use of him as another political tool later on, so not the most grateful, he is. >_>
It bothered him when Shirley appeared, both with Mao and when he flushed out Rolo, but he took into account actions that wouldn't put her in danger. Then there is an overall regret because he knows it was his fault for dragging her and the student council into this mess and got their memories rewritten. Besides that though, I don't know where you're getting this 'multiple times' stick from, he largely kept them out of his affairs when it came to that IIRC
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Yeah, I know very well it was justified in his mind and as a strategu but that for the OoBK existance to be as grand as Lelouch wanted it, there was no place for another resistance organization, but my point was that it was rather high on the "evil-o-meter" to make them explode the way he did just for the sake of diversion and tactical advantage.
I'm happy with evil Lelouch so I don't mind this, but my point is that it was an evil action and that it is surprising to see him indulge himself in fantasies like keeping friendships and happiness.
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Not really, like with Clovis I felt his reasons were sufficient enough for taking the actions that he did. Cold, brutal, and manipulative, but not really 'evil' and I'm glad the Order is at least grounded in a viable reality versus illustrious dreams with no substance like say Suzaku <_<
I don't really classify Lelouch as evil myself, ruthless at times, but not without reason, and hopefully his indulgence of these small things will keep him from ever going too far even if he does continue the rebellion. He's not going to be a pancy about it, if he was he would have stayed a student, so he's still embarking on the path of carnage but for a much bigger cause now
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Which implies he didn't value them that much so far and which is true.
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Yeah it is, or more to the point he shoved them to the side for awhile. Hopefully this will help make him a bit more balanced now in walking the line without falling off
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It is great to be honest to himself but it was a bit confusing to see Suzaku part of this little fantasy... Suzaku isn't going to forget or forgive anything, especially if Lelouch keeps on being Zero... and believe the contrary may cause Lelouch's downfall once again.
If Lelouch didn't regain his memories (which Suzaku will find out sooner or later), then Suzaku may have told himself there was nothing left of Zero in Lelouch and put the guilt on Zero rather than Lelouch and so be friends with him again... but for now, it is all actor performance...
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I don't think that was the meaning behind it, my interpretation that came off was that even after everything that happened, those moments with Suzaku and the student Council were all still very important ones to him, real ones, and that won't change even now. So those moments help him realize the worth of his sisters dreams even if she isn't with him any longer in a sense. That was what I got from it anyway
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Why I am worried is that, first, it is was made Code Geass so enjoyable... having an awesome character with awesome charisma and ready to use any means available for his ends.
I agree that some character development doesn't hurt and that his character shouldn't be too unilateral.
Secondly, raising a rebellion against Britannia is very difficult and you don't have the choice of weapons when fighting them... if you want to win, that is...
I don't believe a much softer Zero has, logically, any chance to win...
The past events have shown that everytime he got soft, he lost : Suzaku, Euphemia, Nunnally etc...
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He's still awesome, and with awesome charisma, but at the same time I never felt he used 'any' means necessary, he practiced a bit of discretion even then that I felt were reasonable in the face of his goals.
I'm sure he'll be fine, I mean if that were the case you'd actually think he really joined the SAZ, which from all indications isn't the case
This isn't about getting softer, like I said I didn't think he ever went too far, a bit much, but never without some justification for it. I for one never believed a harsher Zero had any real chance of winning, because excessive violence almost always marks the character to become what he sought to destroy, and how can you call that winning in the end?
In any case, between getting soft and getting harsh, that he kept up the fight while finding new resolve to take responsibility makes me think he'll be fine this way, because those two roads always seemed like a closed path to me, and this way he'll walk the middle one in order to move past that barricade
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Yeah, but to be honest, the dictator vibe was also what made him charismatic...
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Rebel hero's can be just as charismatic too you know, and you have less reason not to follow him
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That's right and I agree it was a welcome change.
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Good to hear
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I can only hope you're right.
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I think I am in any case
Well, that was fun, I think we'd better stop though now, this is cluttering things up a bit too much
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