[Manga] Chapter 460 Discussion

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Hunter

It's the Raikage.

I wonder if the raikage is stronger than KillerBee. If so, then what ability makes the raikage stronger.
KillerBee was the worst match for Sasuke because:
- genjutsu/tsukiyomi -> total control over the demon, the demon instantly dispells genjutsu
- lighting based jutsus -> KillerBee nullified it with his own lighting element + huge chakra from the demon
- sword techniques -> KillerBee is even better with swords than Sasuke

I assume Raikage is not a copy of KillerBee, so i guess i can't have any assumptions based on how KillerBee was able to overcome Sasuke's genjutsu and lighting.

[Rahan]

So Madara is used again as the plot device preventing Naruto from reaching Sasuke instead of being, you know, the guy wanting to capture Naruto ? It wasn't a good idea back then (it made Naruto look completely irrelevant and Madara looks stupid for not capturing Naruto) and I don't see how it is a good idea here.

Anyways, it's clear it's the Uchiha arc again ... Don't expect anything from Naruto.
He is just there to have his panel time since he is supposed to be the main character while Sasuke gets the action. He won't fight Madara yet (or not more than the last time they fought) and he won't fight Sasuke because of Madara and because their final fight will take place when both are at their peak (EMS Sasuke)

As for Sasuke and the Raikage, even though Bee was more skilled and competent, Sasuke had the power to end the fight with a glance. He isn't in the mood to hold back anymore, so I expect Raikage to be overwhelmed with MS jutsus. Raikage is just the appetizer before Danzou after all.

I predict this arc will end like the Uchiha fight : with Sasuke having accomplished nothing but killing people he shouldn't have and Naruto crying after having been completely useless the whole arc.

[james0246]

Could Sasuke's recent actions be related to the evil smirk he showed directly after the Itachi fight?

Whatever the case, I hope this is finally Sasuke's moment to get off the fence and push his story forward, even if he is just being manipulated by others...

[Rahan]

I doubt it.

When in one chapter, you have revelations about mind control sharingan jutsus and in the next chapter, you have Sasuke acting completely out of character, drawing suspicions from both teammates and spoiler provider, you don't need to be a genius to realize something is going on ...

Kishi finally accepted to dirty Sasuke's hands, but not without giving him his out of jail ticket.

[darkmaster074]

does anyone think madara or danzou is controling sasuke

[Takashipl]

Of course he is!!! Sasuke is drunk in the fog, following Madara because he belives in his story - which may be partially true, but if I was in his place, I'd like to know versions of the both sides..

[darkmaster074]

i mean control sasuke mind

[lonewolf777]

Looks like a pretty interesting chapter. Madara has shown in the past that he could toy with a large group of seemingly powerful ninja, which included the three he is facing down in this chapter. I'm also wondering if Sakura will appear on the stage while Naruto is talking to Madara.

Kudos to the ninjas not to let this chaotic display distract them from Danzou.

Maybe I missed this from previous chapters, but where's Juugou? That's one thing I was slightly disappointed with - the lack of development for Sasuke's crew whatsoever since they were introduced. We know next to nothing about any of them, and least of all Juugou, who also seems to be the most interesting. I wonder if Kishi has something saved up for them or if he just forgot about them.

Question: was the person with a huge amount of chakra that showed up Raikage, or was it some other huge chakra container, with Raikage being there in addition? If it's not Raikage, I guess it might be Juugou, Kisame, or Killerbee.

Oh, and Zetsu's alive. Obviously. Just felt like saying that cuz nobody else had My guess is you can't kill him when his body's separated....

[neshru]

Wait, how did Madara find Naruto in first place?

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by neshru

Wait, how did Madara find Naruto in first place?

He can sense where people are and teleport there. Sort of like Goku

[neshru]

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

He can sense where people are and teleport there. Sort of like Goku

Giving him the power to sense people wouldn't make any sense. It would leave too many questions open. The first ones that come to my mind are," then why did he send the other Akatsuki to look for the bijuu when he could have found them himself?" and "then what's the point of a scout like Zetsu if he can do the same thing?". Not to mention Zetsu's incredible ability is balanced by the fact that he doesn't seem strong enough to do anything but watch, but this Madara can find people, teleport to them and own their asses on a whim? It wouldn't make any sense.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

He can sense where people are and teleport there. Sort of like Goku

If that was true he would've captured all the tailed beasts already and without the need for all the Akatsuki members who have died.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Rahan

I doubt it.

When in one chapter, you have revelations about mind control sharingan jutsus and in the next chapter, you have Sasuke acting completely out of character, drawing suspicions from both teammates and spoiler provider, you don't need to be a genius to realize something is going on ...

You are undoubtedly correct. I was merely holding out hope that Sasuke was not being controlled, and his actions were his own. But from the description that Shounensuki gives (of Nja's note), it does appear that Sasuke is being controlled.

Originally Posted by Rahan

Kishi finally accepted to dirty Sasuke's hands, but not without giving him his out of jail ticket.

To be fair, other characters that had "get out of jail free cards" were almost always misled (Neji) or in someway controlled by others (Sai and Gaara). (Nagato and Tsunade are the only 2 that decided their own course of action (even if it was based on outside stimuli), and Nagato's "redemption" seems to be generally disliked, and Tsunade never really did anything "bad" to begin with (besides laze around like a couch potato).) So, Sasuke being in the same boat doesn't really make him unique.

[JackRydden224]

Originally Posted by darkmaster074

does anyone think madara or danzou is controling sasuke

Probably just from words and manipulation but not an eye technique. Sasuke is after all, quite good with genjutsu and eye tricks himself so it seems unlikely that he's put under a spell of some sort, also, with Karin on his team you'd think she will notice irregular chakra flow or something.

[Sakuranbo]

Oh noez I hope Zetsu will be okay

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by JackRydden224

Probably just from words and manipulation but not an eye technique. Sasuke is after all, quite good with genjutsu and eye tricks himself so it seems unlikely that he's put under a spell of some sort, also, with Karin on his team you'd think she will notice irregular chakra flow or something.

Might be a seal put on Sasuke, remember that it was Madara who teleported with the bodies of Itachi and Sasuke, and Sasuke was dying there because he was injured and out of chakra. So who knows what Madara did to Sasuke's body while was unconscious. Madara could have transplanted Itachi's eyes into Sasuke if he wanted to But i guess he didn't do that because a simple transplant does not give EMS. He probably wants Sasuke to lose his eyesight, so Sasuke will need Madara to gain EMS. That's why he sabotaged Sasuke's plan to kill Danzou after the meeting, now that everybody is on alert Sasuke won't have a chance to kill Danzou.

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by neshru

Giving him the power to sense people wouldn't make any sense. It would leave too many questions open. The first ones that come to my mind are," then why did he send the other Akatsuki to look for the bijuu when he could have found them himself?" and "then what's the point of a scout like Zetsu if he can do the same thing?". Not to mention Zetsu's incredible ability is balanced by the fact that he doesn't seem strong enough to do anything but watch, but this Madara can find people, teleport to them and own their asses on a whim? It wouldn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

If that was true he would've captured all the tailed beasts already and without the need for all the Akatsuki members who have died.

Plotholes are cool.


But when he ran into Sasuke and pretty much confirm It when Sasuke asked him how he found him. Read chapter 453 again

[Sazelyt]

I hope Raikage does not become just one of those who enters between Sasuke and his passion.

And Kishi doesn't surprise his readers by inserting one of those "what!" moments in this chapter too, by making "meeting Naruto" as an important business for Madara. Doesn't he have anything better to do?

[noven]

Originally Posted by neshru

Wait, how did Madara find Naruto in first place?

Don't underestimate him. It's within his powers to do so.

[Freya]

oooo Sasuke vs Raikage?? Goooo....Sasuke!! Until Danzo dies, I'll root for Sasuke. The raikage is a bit cocky anyways. I would laugh if he got owned. *just Amaterasu his ass*