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Old 2017-07-17, 23:40   Link #41
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These japanese elite schools get more ridiculous every iteration
It's effectively a boarding school (implementation aside), is that really all that ridiculous?

• Reside at the campus dorms
• Use campus facilities (granted they're denied access to the 'outside' world, but that's not any different to a circumstance where you might reside in a remote location)
• Varying amounts of 'funding' provided for student activities.
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Old 2017-07-18, 01:34   Link #42
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It's effectively a boarding school (implementation aside), is that really all that ridiculous?

• Reside at the campus dorms
• Use campus facilities (granted they're denied access to the 'outside' world, but that's not any different to a circumstance where you might reside in a remote location)
• Varying amounts of 'funding' provided for student activities.
yeah but 774.452 EUR/Month is really ludicrous.

to compare: If I told my boss I wanted to go down to 20 hours a week then they'd get more than me from 20 hours of soul - robbing work (btto! ).
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Old 2017-07-18, 02:04   Link #43
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yeah but 774.452 EUR/Month is really ludicrous.

to compare: If I told my boss I wanted to go down to 20 hours a week then they'd get more than me from 20 hours of soul - robbing work (btto! ).
Contextually

• Students are awarded 100,000 points upon gaining admission to said school
• Students are (on a monthly basis) granted additional points which are entirely at the discretion of the teacher they are assigned.
• There are no 'changes' to class composition (i.e student and student pair) for the duration of the school (3 years).

○ Points have zero value outside of the school
○ The teacher has the ability to award zero points for a given month

For simplicity, let 3 years = 36 months
• 100k/36 = 2777.778 per month


If the students were employee's, then they have (effectively) a base salary of $0/month and work entirely based on 'commission'. The actual overhead cost for the employer (i.e, the school) is negligible in the grand scheme of things.

The school itself is a government established facility for the purpose of nurturing young people (so they will support the country in the future, however that may be). If you consider the 3 years of schooling to be a 3 year apprenticeship/internship/training program/... then the return on investment is absolutely huge, relative to the expenditure.

• 25 students per class
• 4 classes per grade
• 3 grades
○ 300 total

There's only a 300 * 100,000 'point' commitment (i.e, this is the minimum expenditure) for any given 3 year period. It only increases beyond that if the students (classes, collectively) actually perform in such a way that is deemed to be worthy/productive.
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Old 2017-07-18, 08:21   Link #44
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It's effectively a boarding school (implementation aside), is that really all that ridiculous?

• Reside at the campus dorms
• Use campus facilities (granted they're denied access to the 'outside' world, but that's not any different to a circumstance where you might reside in a remote location)
• Varying amounts of 'funding' provided for student activities.
I suppose a government funded school island is par the course for elite anime schools but I'd still say the whole idea is quite ridiculous, yes. There is no way the point system and "revelation" at the end of the episode could not have been known to prospective students/parents beforehand unless they also have to swear an oath of secrecy after graduating(which is also ridiculous for a government funded school). But then again it's also silly that students who were selected for such a school would slack off. I can't imagine a place that boasts 100% employment rate can afford to have months where a class receives 0 points and the show would have very little conflict if everyone got their act together in episode 2 now.
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Old 2017-07-18, 09:55   Link #45
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I suppose a government funded school island is par the course for elite anime schools but I'd still say the whole idea is quite ridiculous, yes. There is no way the point system and "revelation" at the end of the episode could not have been known to prospective students/parents beforehand unless they also have to swear an oath of secrecy after graduating(which is also ridiculous for a government funded school). But then again it's also silly that students who were selected for such a school would slack off. I can't imagine a place that boasts 100% employment rate can afford to have months where a class receives 0 points and the show would have very little conflict if everyone got their act together in episode 2 now.
Statistics can be presented in such a way that they are worthless without proper framing of the raw data.

The 100% employment/college entry rate is a number provided by the MC, but we have no idea how many students that actually is (should be about 100 per year, based on the MC's calculations of 300 students enrolled). We have no data about anyone who 'drops-out', fails, dies due to some accident or otherwise does not 'graduate' after their 3rd year. If it's anything like "shokugeki no souma" where students get expelled regularly (let's say 50% never graduate for some reason or another) then you could reasonably have a situation where of all the graduates (50 people, out of 100 starters) that 100% of the graduates find employment/college acceptance. Whether or not the school accepts 'transfer students' is also something we don't know. How they reach that 100% is important.

Students live in dorms, ability to leave campus/interact with the outside world is limited (how this is achieved in a world with smartphones, and presumably internet, on-line gaming, etc. is besides the point).

The student council pres and the main girl seem to share a common family name, but if they're related it would seem like a pretty twisted thing for the older sibling not to give a heads up to the younger one about the way the world works.


Just because a school is 'select entry' doesn't mean the students are machines. Hell, we see someone rage and knock over a trash bin, that's not exactly 'model student' behavior and yet somehow this sort of student has been selected, when the 'intake' for a given year appears to be 100 students max.



Being able to maintain secrecy of the internal workings of the school, especially in (comparing to real world) a reality with smart phones, internet and social media (assumptions) can be rightly considered ridiculous, however in a reality where the government can set up such a school it seems like it would be a reasonable assumption (and trivial thing to implement) that blackmail of some form could exist.


As an (unfair) example, North Korea could probably achieve everything that has been shown thus far in episode one, create a learning environment that is completely isolated from the outside world, detached from 'reality'.


At this stage in the shows progression we simply don't know enough, but aside from the lack of information leaking to the outside world everything else (at least from my perspective) is rather reasonable, feasible and achievable in reality.
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Old 2017-07-19, 05:22   Link #46
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Old 2017-07-19, 09:34   Link #47
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episode 2 will out this wednesday right?
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Old 2017-07-19, 11:40   Link #48
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episode 2 will out this wednesday right?
Yeah, it's out now.


Episode 2:

S System....

Well I guess it means class D will have to climb
Episode was actually interesting (despite the distracting swimsuit fan service).

I wonder if Horikita will be able to change her attitude though. Personally, I don't think she can make friends if she acts like that. Still, she does show a more vulnerable side when confronted by her brother.

The mid-terms exams so far shows who the smarter students are in the class. Not even slightly surprised by Horikita's scores.
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Old 2017-07-19, 13:00   Link #49
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damn that encounter with Horikita's older brother, that gave me chills...
I'm getting more curious about the MC, he's not just some slacker, he's definitely hiding something
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Old 2017-07-19, 14:02   Link #50
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That was surprisingly fine. There is nothing particularly great about this show, but there is lot of thing that might turn be good in future if given chance. I guess I will do exactly that.

Still not fond of these loner aloof girls, that still latch on MC for whatever reason.
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Old 2017-07-19, 14:38   Link #51
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I'm assuming that the quote that started the episode applies to the MC. Probably a genius but lazy and doesn't want people to know about his skills, so he games the system. Even in the midterms he hit exactly 70, which is basically what an average student should get. He wants to be off the radar but he's also giving himself away
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Old 2017-07-19, 17:12   Link #52
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MC levep up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, at the end MC says that they got good grades in the tests, but that include the 3 who were in the bottom?, we need to see the next chapter?
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Old 2017-07-19, 17:22   Link #53
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MC levep up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, at the end MC says that they got good grades in the tests, but that include the 3 who were in the bottom?, we need to see the next chapter?
The lowest score was the basketball player with 51 in English. You can see it at the end of the episode.

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thanks it just when I saw the chapters the subs didn't put the names at the end.
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Old 2017-07-19, 18:08   Link #55
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damn that encounter with Horikita's older brother, that gave me chills...
I'm getting more curious about the MC, he's not just some slacker, he's definitely hiding something
Yeah, took me totally by surprise D0=, though in hindsight, should have been obvious. Probably my favorite moment.

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I'm curious as to how the lowest 3 students actually managed to get decent grades, despite not receiving help from Horikita. Well, guess they have to have SOME kind of intelligence, if they ended up at such a prestigious school. Still the story was making it out as if they were going to screw it all up. Can't wait to see what elements led them to do decently in next ep =03.
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Old 2017-07-19, 19:13   Link #56
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I was thinking how'd these dumb students actually entered such a prestigious elite school. Then the end shows us they're really not that dumb, if the MC who purposely fixes his grades ends up second to the last.

Still, if the MC got in the school by having 50 in literally all of his entrance exams, there must be some other criteria. I wonder if they'll reveal what made these Class D people to be accepted into the school.

And wow, the heroine is a brocon. In the absence of osananajimi, I just can't help but ship her with her brother. Wasn't the seitou kaichou just going to caress the heroine's face before he got cockblocked by the MC? Silly MC, misunderstanding the situation...
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Old 2017-07-19, 19:30   Link #57
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Maybe I misunderstood something but..from now on the best they can get a month is 1000 points? Thats like just 7.7 EUR.
That would be exceptionally low. I mean the allowance I got as a kid was probably on the upper range but even now as an adult I couldn't imagine living off 8 EUR.

Heck the drinks I get from the vending machine at work make me loose at least 2.20 a day.

There must be some kind of huge mistake in the explaination there (or some kind of multiplyer missing), otherwise I don't see how they can get food for an entire month even if they cook it themselves.
Even my country's budget military thinks about 2or 3EUR/Day.

As for how everoyne achieved such high grades its obvious: the MC formed his own study group with them.
That being said he himself is still barely above acceptable. I think he is still holding back pretty badly and could actually get 100 in every subject.
Checking chemestry alone you can see that he didn't really put any effort in and was just barely above the actual worst of the class.
I guess thats the reason he was put in there in the first place, rather than his friend making issue

But well he is out for blood now
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Old 2017-07-19, 19:42   Link #58
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The teacher did mention that multiplier. Student personal income is class points * 100 in yen.
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Old 2017-07-19, 19:48   Link #59
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There must be some kind of huge mistake in the explaination there (or some kind of multiplyer missing), otherwise I don't see how they can get food for an entire month even if they cook it themselves.
Even my country's budget military thinks about 2or 3EUR/Day.
The first episode did show that some stores sell items for free, but there are a limited number you can buy at once. I think it's more along the lines that they'll allow Class D to have the bare minuium to survive, but forget about things like entertainment, above average food food, special facilities, etc
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Old 2017-07-19, 20:09   Link #60
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The first episode did show that some stores sell items for free, but there are a limited number you can buy at once. I think it's more along the lines that they'll allow Class D to have the bare minuium to survive, but forget about things like entertainment, above average food food, special facilities, etc
3 items per month with no indication of food being included yet.
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