2018-09-06, 08:44 | Link #441 |
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You are dodging the issue. Nobody said anything about Ainz being the one who lied to the workers (even though he probably requested that).
The issue here is that the workers were willing to risk their lives in a game with certain odds. And they ended up in a game that was literally out of the world they knew. And Ainz was well aware of that. This means he cannot say "they came here with full knowledge of the risks". No really, they didn't. At any rate this is a dead argument. The fact that a policeman knows he's risking his life doesn't decrease in the least the culpability of the criminal that kills him. The only argument that can hold here is that someone who does bad things shouldn't complain if bad things happen to him.
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2018-09-06, 09:29 | Link #442 |
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Beauty King! Strong King! Love King! Lol!
OMG, for Mare to suggest Love King... it's tickling my fudanshi heart again. But honestly though, this episode is really badly animated. There're so many cuts and poor animation that ima reminded of last season. |
2018-09-06, 17:53 | Link #445 | |
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2018-09-06, 18:21 | Link #446 | |
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But that's the thing. The whole reason Nine's Own Goal existed as a guild was because players took for granted that monster characters are just EXP packages. It is hard to see things from the other end, to see the raid of the tomb as a bad thing.
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2018-09-07, 00:39 | Link #447 |
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This episode reminds me again why I like Overlord. Side characters are so fleshed out you can't help but think they're major players in the story... even though you knew deep down they're soon to become casualties of Nazarick's rise to power.
PS: Even Jircniv knew Renner is something you shouldn't touch even with a ten foot pole.
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2018-09-07, 06:55 | Link #448 | |
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2018-09-07, 18:37 | Link #449 | |
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And it always bears repeating, that the author deliberately showed the loan sharks lending to Arche's parents as actually reasonable people; it is unusual narratively, but a deliberate choice. They didn't lend them money in order to take the kids later, they likely don't deal in slaves at all. So the only reason the kids were sold as slaves was because the parents choose to sell them for money. The parents are not starving; they are not fighting for survival. And yet they sold their children. I see that as far greater a crime than Arche's death. And yet, people blame Ainz. it is just easier to blame an undead. Then again, as Ainz would say, he is aware of his own hypocrisy. As later on he would look at a race of monsters and desire he needs some of them dead, because he wanted to harvest their bodies for valuable parts. Ainz isn't opposed to the Workers in the direct sense, he just believes that if you want to rob someone, then you better not lose. That you can't expect the victor to be merciful.
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2018-09-07, 20:17 | Link #451 | |
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Ainz has tortured and performed "experimentation" on others but because they didn't get a full 2.5 episodes to themselves (and let's be honest, they're not cute), nobody cried outrage. Even that assassin group that got wiped out by Sebas had paragraphs of backstory but no one cared when they were tortured. Also note that Adventurers are viewed in a better light than Workers (who were basically criminals), since they do legal jobs assigned by the kingdom. That's why none of them mattered to Ainz. To him, they were nothing more than pests blinded by their own greed for money. And how is defending Ainz mean people are defending themselves? That comment is just ridiculous. Neither Ainz nor anyone needs to justify his actions since it's already been established that he only cares and does things for the benefit of Nazarick. Foresight, unfortunately, hit one of his few berserk buttons (lying to his face about his friends) and that's why he acted cruelly. |
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People are absolutely doing it in this thread though. For example, you just brought up that they hit one of his berserk buttons as a justification for his actions. |
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2018-09-07, 20:40 | Link #453 | |
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They feel that it's an attack against themselves. So they get defensive.
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2018-09-08, 01:23 | Link #456 | |
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It is difficult to have a discussion with someone can't understand, or rather misunderstands, things to this degree. |
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2018-09-08, 02:52 | Link #457 | |
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But some people are trying to argue that Ainz isn't, and that's something I have a problem with. It's not about killing Arche in particular. Of all the evil things Ainz has done, it's just one of them, and far from the worst. Also, the evil isn't defending yourself against robbers. It's instigating robbers all to have a flimsy excuse to start a war of conquest, killing and torturing them in the process. |
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2018-09-08, 04:03 | Link #459 | |
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Basically, there was repeated comments by his enemies that Ainz didn't do anything WRONG. None of them ever fault him or call him evil. They just see him as a threat, but otherwise understands that they would do the same if they could get away with it.
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