[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Valkama]

I don't understand why it just can't be as simple as Beatrice telling Maria "Remember to keep track of you toys or Gaap will play pranks and hide them from you" If Gaap's vessel is the concept of things sometimes go missing then as long as someone has the idea they have the vessel.

Also Jessica would never play with Maria with occult things. She describes several times throughout the series that she finds Maria's occult interest creepy.

[AuraTwilight]

I've never read this. It sounds like omake materials; are you sure it's canon?

Yes, it's in Our Confession. Go read it.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by DokEnkephalin

Except for the inevitable speed-bump of comprehension in any interaction with Maria. Swapping characters mid-conversation would be more confusing for anyone, and less likely than for there to be consistent figures to concentrate on. Consider especially when Maria is naming people, identifying them as fantasy counterparts -- would she be able to accept Yasu as Beatrice and name her as Gaap at the same time?

Will outright confirms in ep7 that Maria's recognition of people, at least in the sense of her own fantasy landscape, is based upon action and not appearance. Acting like Beatrice == being Beatrice. By the same logic, if someone acting like Beatrice suddenly starts acting like something else, Maria would associate that as a change to a different character. So to Maria at least it would be trivial to switch from Beatrice to somebody else and back. Everyone else wouldn't care if they're playing along.

Originally Posted by GuestSpeaker

Also going back to that older discussion over stealing the gold, I wouldn't say there is NO evidence that Bice and Kinzo conspired together. It is often talked about how Kinzo and Beatrice had a "contract" together for the gold, and we know from ep 4 that kinzo once chose to kill everyone else to save himself and his beloved. Knowing Bice's characterisation, I feel she wouldn't just be a passive flower awaiting rescue by Kinzo and believing whatever lie he told her about why all her escorts were dead. In fact, we are constantly told that Beatrice offered Kinzo all the gold in exchange for his soul...

Also interesting as an interpretation, yes. Although I'd wonder why Beatrice wanted to do that, unless she just didn't like or didn't trust her countrymen. The other possibility is that she realized nobody knew or expected their submarine to have even survived the journey to Japan, so if it "disappeared" everyone would just take the sub to have been sunk and write off the gold. Knowing this, and finding herself taken with Kinzo, I suppose I could see the idea germinating.

Honestly it makes more sense to be Bice-initiated than Kinzo-initiated. Kinzo describes himself as a man waiting to die and he's obviously captivated by this woman who has suddenly appeared. I don't see why he'd suddenly come up with an idea on his own, but if someone floated the idea he might go along with it on "Well, I have nothing to lose" logic. Success would've reinvigorated his desire, as he now had Beatrice and all the gold.

The problem here is there's no clear evidence of Bice's angle and what she'd get out of all of this if the gold remains in Kinzo's custody. It seems like kind of a shitty situation for her: She's stuck in a foreign country and has to live as the secret mistress of a married man. It doesn't exactly give her much opportunity to spend any of that money.

[Sauzer]

I don't see it being Beatrices idea at all to steal all the gold. If she really did have such a desire for money why didn't she do anything with it? All Beatrice did after the sub is live as Kinzo's mistress for a few years, have a child and die.
Or was it as the fantasy version - she was instantly captured by Kinzo? As in double-crossed by Kinzo and basicly made a slave?

[DokEnkephalin]

The Jessica/Gaap is starting to get stale, so I'm just going to wrap it up here. It would be more interesting to discuss how much Jessica knew about Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice before the conference began.

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Originally Posted by Valkama

I don't understand why it just can't be as simple as Beatrice telling Maria "Remember to keep track of you toys or Gaap will play pranks and hide them from you" If Gaap's vessel is the concept of things sometimes go missing then as long as someone has the idea they have the vessel.

It's as simple as is shown in Ep7; Maria having tea with Beatrice on the beach and giving Gaap her name, along with Ronove and Virgilia. This scene wouldn't have worked if there weren't vessels present for Maria to focus consistent characterization on.

Originally Posted by Renall

Will outright confirms in ep7 that Maria's recognition of people, at least in the sense of her own fantasy landscape, is based upon action and not appearance.

Yeah, but if the same scene doesn't indicate her addressing separate things/people as separate characters, then why is there exactly one Sister per stake, no more or less? Why is there no Sakuturo without at least one stuffed lion?

Originally Posted by Valkama

Also Jessica would never play with Maria with occult things. She describes several times throughout the series that she finds Maria's occult interest creepy.

Jessica doesn't quite believe or disbelieve. She's uncomfortable talking about it, in part because she's embarrassed that she plays along with the others. It's like the Gohda had said earlier in Ep7; even if most people don't really believe the local legends, they can read the atmosphere and go along with it to fit in harmoniously. Unlike Gohda, Jessica did have a personal experience that freaked her out, the night in the VIP room, and as reluctant as she is to believe she can't quite dismiss it.

I can't give up my suspicion that Rudolph and Kyrie were playing dead in the 1st ep.

Spoiler:

It's stated repeatedly in red that the identity of unidentified corpses is guaranteed, but that doesn't certify that individuals identified as corpses are corpses. No body double tricks, those really were Rudolph, Kyrie and Shannon lying there, covered in blood. When the shed was first opened, Kannon had remarked something like "why did they have to be so brutal?"

Nanjo would've covered for them if:
1) he was so stressed with unexpectedly covering for Shannon that he made sloppier examination of the others, and relied on assumption
2) he knew that Beatrice was supporting Rudolph and Kyrie
3) he was present when Krauss had attempted to kill them first, and was covering up their survival to figure out whether Natsuhi, Eve or Hideyoshi were conspiring with him.

Beatrice "killed" Shannon at this point, and Kanon later, and only assisted in the others. For the second twilight, Kanon did cut the chain on Genji's orders, but before rather than after they were shot by Rudolph and Kyrie. For the 6-8 twilights, Genji unlocked the door for Beatrice and Maria locked it for her, but the shootings were done by Rudolph and Kyrie. In all cases, the stakes were planted by Beatrice.

At the 9th twilight, Natsuhi ran out locked, cocked and ready to shoot a witch. The only way she would have been killed with certainty is if she had surrendered. If she were outnumbered and outgunned, she would've given up and easily been shot, then left with the weapon that shot her.

It's also possible this is the one killing Beatrice had intended to do herself all along. Remember the hint about getting revenge by killing everyone close to a person first? That's what "the Man from 19 years ago" would do, and it's not a stretch to presume that he'd been terrorizing Natsuhi over the phone in any, or every, instance of the game. In this game, Natsuhi was the one Beatrice wanted revenge on. Speaking to her with this voice in person would've shocked her senseless enough to be easy prey.

[GreyZone]

@ALPHA: It was a good game.

Originally Posted by Renall

The problem here is there's no clear evidence of Bice's angle and what she'd get out of all of this if the gold remains in Kinzo's custody. It seems like kind of a shitty situation for her: She's stuck in a foreign country and has to live as the secret mistress of a married man. It doesn't exactly give her much opportunity to spend any of that money.

It certainly seemed like the allied powers were winning the war. So if they were found on Rokkenjima by the Americans, Fascist-trice would probably be taken into custody and maybe not really treated in the best way, considering her fathers position. Maybe she was afraid of her "escorts" selling her off to the Americans to save their own skins, and/or the Japanease, because they may get the order to follow the Americans' instructions after the capitulation.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

It certainly seemed like the allied powers were winning the war. So if they were found on Rokkenjima by the Americans, Fascist-trice would probably be taken into custody and maybe not really treated in the best way, considering her fathers position. Maybe she was afraid of her "escorts" selling her off to the Americans to save their own skins, and/or the Japanease, because they may get the order to follow the Americans' instructions after the capitulation.

She's a civilian. They would've just sent her home. Granted, they would also have taken the gold for sure, so maybe she wanted to keep a hold on that... it's just that from what we know of their subsequent relationship, she didn't end up having much control over the gold, so if that was her plan it didn't work.

Unless the plan was that she'd be able to live in the hidden mansion and just never managed to get around to it on account of dying. It'd kind of be the ballsiest thing ever for Kinzo to try to maintain two distinct families on the same island, but whatever. The money would still basically be at Kinzo's discretion as Bice can't publicly exist.

That's the biggest wrench as I see it in her having the idea: She doesn't gain anything. At best she preserves the gold, but then it just ends up lost to her in Kinzo's hands instead of in the hands of the Americans or Japanese.

Originally Posted by DokEnkephalin

It's also possible this is the one killing Beatrice had intended to do herself all along. Remember the hint about getting revenge by killing everyone close to a person first? That's what "the Man from 19 years ago" would do, and it's not a stretch to presume that he'd been terrorizing Natsuhi over the phone in any, or every, instance of the game. In this game, Natsuhi was the one Beatrice wanted revenge on. Speaking to her with this voice in person would've shocked her senseless enough to be easy prey.

So she wants to destroy everything Natsuhi loves, but killing Jessica is out of the question? Why didn't she do that first then?

[DokEnkephalin]

Originally Posted by Renall

So she wants to destroy everything Natsuhi loves, but killing Jessica is out of the question? Why didn't she do that first then?

She wouldn't while Kanon "lived". After Kanon "died", Natsuhi as an adult with the gun was the greater threat. Jessica was left to die in the bomb with the rest.

The canonicity of "Our Confessions" looks dubious, but maybe I need a more complete translation to come to a conclusion. Flauros is just a discarded sketch, for good reason. Beatrice may have wanted a moe-saturated nekoko to troll Bernkastel with, but didn't have anything to latch it to, nothing to ground it.

[AuraTwilight]

Our Confession seems as canon as anything else Ryukishi wrote. It's effectively another Gameboard that Beatrice never actually used or presented officially, told from Beato's perspective instead of the Detective's. Flauros probably has no connection to Bernkastel because she and Lambda have no meaningful presence in the gameboards.

[DokEnkephalin]

Same could be said about Flauros -- no meaningful presence on Rokkenjima. I don't see what Lambda would have to do with it -- I only mention Bern because it would've amused Beatrice to tweak her, but didn't have enough basis to keep her.

But the first inconsistency I see in 'Our Confession' is that Beatrice selects the winners to support, which contradicts her roulette intent. She knows all she has to do is throw out the apple of discord, since there's already an abundance of motive to kick off the first twilight.

[Kealym]

If you wanna wrap up Gaap/discussion, sure, but you're still pretty much advancing a head-canon that very contrary to the text on multiple occasions.

On that note, and on to your next point, at least on the gameboards, Jessica seems to have no idea at all about what's going on with Shkanonigans. Like, at all. In Prime, without going into details, the idea that Jessica knew what was going on with Shkanon is just ... wierd, and has weird implications. It's far more likely that if Kanon ever existed in Prime (and it can certainly be argued that he probs didn't), Jessica barely ever saw him.

Also, while I can't deny a Kyrolf theory for EP1, such a theory DOES involve Kyrie and Rudolf being able to show Battler the inside of their half removed and smashed apart skulls, despite being perfectly alive. So I mean, we know for example that Kyrie's 'corpse' is Kyrie's corpse because of the red you mentioned, and we know that Battler peered into her smashed apart face. Those sorts of things are notoriously difficult to survive.

The reason i mention Flauros and Our Confessions (which is very canon), is that it shows us her PROCESS for making a gameboard. She LITERALLY goes "Hm, I need a fresh magic character to keep things interesting." and MAKES ONE, and isn't overly bothered by deep meaningful vessel correlation, and such. It's not that Flauros was a half-finished draft that she decided not to use because it wasn't "grounded" enough, it's that that entire gameboard is a half-finished draft that ended up not being used. If I were Beatrice, I'd probably just throw in some vague flashbacks of a small wildcat from the forest that would sometimes hang around the mansion, and maybe it gave people the heeby-jeebies because they didn't think any large animals would really survive on their island. "Maybe ... ... ... one of those old Azukishima spirits stole control of the body ... and watched the humans who interloped on it's ancient home ... oooOOOOOooohhhHHHH", and then throw some line or two about how Beatrice was excited to meet a demon she thought the time to meet had passed. I dunno, this isn't very hard.

This isn't very strange considering 1. The multiple references to 'Land' in the series, which was one of the thrown message bottles, but is still irrelevant to the Meta narrative, and 2. In EP7 Clair/Beato admit that they ran through many, many possible scenarios.

Also, who are these "winners" that she's suppporting? She's just lining up accomplices to make super duper sure she can control the flow of events. It's been theorized since forever that that's pretty much what was going on with Evayoshi in EP1, and Rosa in EP2 ; it's very similar, just with Kratsuhi. The only place Our Confessions differs from the "standard" game boards is that the second Twilight is used to remove only one person, so the survivor count at the 10th Twilight is unusually large (7 people, instead of 5)

[AuraTwilight]

Same could be said about Flauros -- no meaningful presence on Rokkenjima. I don't see what Lambda would have to do with it -- I only mention Bern because it would've amused Beatrice to tweak her, but didn't have enough basis to keep her.

Flauros has the same presence on Rokkenjima as all the rest of Beato's demons. THEY'RE IMAGINARY.

But the first inconsistency I see in 'Our Confession' is that Beatrice selects the winners to support, which contradicts her roulette intent. She knows all she has to do is throw out the apple of discord, since there's already an abundance of motive to kick off the first twilight.

You realize Beatrice is a lying liar who lies a lot, right? She's been selecting 'winners' the whole time and it's clear to anyone who's reread things. She's in cahoots with Rosa in EP2, for example.

[GuestSpeaker]

I would argue that Beato didn't offer him the gold to keep it, she offered him the gold to get away from her current life. Without it, how would Kinzo build her a mansion and hide her on a secret island? What she gets out of the deal is a way to make her love with Kinzo, who already has a family, a real world thing. Though she may certainly have come to regret moving from the submarine cage to the gilded mansion cage later, she was awfully busy being dead.

All we know about Bice is she hated her life, her father was dead and she probably grew up rich. Her she was, trapped in a future of escorts and running and living on a bunk in a sub. Her country was gone, her world over, and she was a nothing on the run. Then there is Kinzo, with their shared hopes and secrets, and the possibility of a good life again. Take the gold Kinzo, and we can be together.

Though that isn't really the lovey dovey story we were told.


On Gaap: It seems likely to me that some characters have vessels (oh, that soft toy is a vessel for your friend? These stakes are vessels for servants I control!) and some don't (my friend the witch likes to make things disappear).


Also, this is something from goats read seacats I had never considered:
" believe I’ve said before that there’s something so immensely screwed up about building the house where your family lives within the bomb blast radius, while the house where your lover lives is well out of it."

DadOfTheYear

[Renall]

If Beatrice seemed more... seductive toward Kinzo, I could buy her using the gold and the whole plot as romantic leverage to win the heart of a married man. Kinzo... probably has to have brought that up at some point, right? He has a wife and children already! What the hell would Bice have thought about that?

If we take that their love was sincere - or at least that Kinzo's was - it sure seems like she did something to ensure that he'd be willing to go to all these lengths for her. Mere emotional blackmail probably wouldn't work too well (if she exposes everything to Kinzo's wife she risks losing the gold). But the story in ep7 merely suggests it's kind of a whirlwind love-at-first-sight kind of thing where they're just perfectly emotionally and intellectually compatible.

The problem is there's not a whole lot else to go on. While it would be interesting if Kinzo were a lovestruck dumbass being manipulated into a scheme by a beautiful woman who is far smarter than he thinks, there's not a whole lot to support that. There's really nothing to get deeper into the whole 1945 event than that one flash in the guts scene and maybe a thematic argument: The massacre in '45 created a "catbox" where the survivors got to write the story, and since Beatrice died soon thereafter it falls to Kinzo to rewrite the whole thing as a tragic noble love story and those Japanese and Italian guys just totally killed each other, you guys, but true love suspiciously conquered all.

It's also possible that if Bice was manipulative we don't know it because Kinzo didn't know it. So his story tells it as true love because that's genuinely how he felt and he was just going along with what she wanted. But again, not much to really back that up that I know of. Might need to go back and look again.

[DokEnkephalin]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Flauros has the same presence on Rokkenjima as all the rest of Beato's demons. THEY'RE IMAGINARY.

Yes, they're imaginary fantasy beings imagined from substantiated vessels. Shannon and Kanon are imaginary humans possessed by an existing human. I doubt either of these are news to you.

You realize Beatrice is a lying liar who lies a lot, right? She's been selecting 'winners' the whole time and it's clear to anyone who's reread things. She's in cahoots with Rosa in EP2, for example.

She supported Rosa because Rosa had solved the epitaph (hinted in EP3 when she was just a step behind Eva,) which is where the gold bars came from. After everyone reneged on the succession part of the agreement, Krauss acting like it never happened and everyone else willing to let him have it just for equal shares (also hinted any other time they were shown finding the gold,) she poisoned them at the Halloween party they all organized together. Beatrice just cut them open, which is why Rosa was genuinely shocked on seeing them again.

Originally Posted by Kealym

The reason i mention Flauros and Our Confessions (which is very canon), is that it shows us her PROCESS for making a gameboard.

It's also stated to be incomplete, and it's discarded without hesitation; why? If the bold is honestly her strategy, to get hands on, it's even internally contradictory. Why get directly involved and then try to make Krauss and Natsuhi appear responsible?Trying to sow dissent and trying to claim it's all the responsibility of the Golden Witch are mutually conflicting.

Then there's the broader contradictions:
* Knox's 1st: Yasu was not introduced as a character in the question arcs, which is when Willard has enough clues for the solution. Neither was "The Man from 19 years ago". Beatrice was introduced in late in EP1, but not as inhabiting a physical body, so to accuse her at that time would've conceded the game for the Human side.
* Van Dine's 11th: The servants cannot be the culprits. Operating as accomplices doesn't conflict with this, but Shannon/Kanon couldn't have initiated the 1st twilight.
Van Dine may not be applicable, but the rules cited in Red are; for example in EP 8 Willard cited the 12th without Red, only a handful of lines after citing the 7th in Red. This indicates there can be multiple independent culprits, but reinforces that servants can't be one of them.

Also, it's not a dyed-in-Red rule, but a genre convention that the most obvious suspect isn't it. The exceptions to this aren't considered good examples of the genre, if not a different genre using the guise of mystery. After her introduction, Beatrice becomes the most obvious suspect, and 'Our Confession' only reinforces that.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by DokEnkephalin

She supported Rosa because Rosa had solved the epitaph (hinted in EP3 when she was just a step behind Eva,) which is where the gold bars came from. After everyone reneged on the succession part of the agreement, Krauss acting like it never happened and everyone else willing to let him have it just for equal shares (also hinted any other time they were shown finding the gold,) she poisoned them at the Halloween party they all organized together. Beatrice just cut them open, which is why Rosa was genuinely shocked on seeing them again.

Why do they all acknowledge Beatrice, then, with almost no mention paid to Rosa whatsoever?

* Knox's 1st: Yasu was not introduced as a character in the question arcs, which is when Willard has enough clues for the solution. Neither was "The Man from 19 years ago". Beatrice was introduced in late in EP1, but not as inhabiting a physical body, so to accuse her at that time would've conceded the game for the Human side.

There were mentions of a secret child as early as ep1. And Yasu does exist from the first episode... as, you know, Shannon, at the very least? And also Kanon and Beatrice. I don't think it was exactly proper, but the character exists in the sense that "Yasu" is just who these people are on the inside.

Van Dine may not be applicable

That's correct, it isn't. So arguing from it is pointless.

Also, it's not a dyed-in-Red rule, but a genre convention that the most obvious suspect isn't it. The exceptions to this aren't considered good examples of the genre, if not a different genre using the guise of mystery. After her introduction, Beatrice becomes the most obvious suspect, and 'Our Confession' only reinforces that.

It doesn't exactly count if you're looking at what she actually wrote. Shannon and Kanon are not exactly the most obvious suspects in ep1 and 2. Beatrice advancing herself as culprit in the meta-world is a completely different thing from the norm, and part of the reason Battler struggles with it.

[AuraTwilight]

Yes, they're imaginary fantasy beings imagined from substantiated vessels. Shannon and Kanon are imaginary humans possessed by an existing human. I doubt either of these are news to you.

Yes, and? Flauros is the same way, in the Our Confession Gameboard. Are Zepar and Furfur less canon because they show up in less Gameboards? You're being arbitrary. Flauros is canon.

She supported Rosa because Rosa had solved the epitaph (hinted in EP3 when she was just a step behind Eva,) which is where the gold bars came from.

Wrong. Rosa doesn't solve the Epitaph in EP2. When the Epitaph is solved, Beatrice stops killing. In EP2, she kept killing, therefore it was unsolved. Rosa is an accomplice, however, since she is shown to be conspiring in both the first closed room and the death of Kinzo, along with demanding "Payment" from Beatrice. If Rosa solved the Epitaph, why would she be demanding gold from her in the chapel and stealing some off the table?

If she solved the epitaph, she would've known where the gold was and also have known about the bomb and a safe place to hide from it, just like Eva did in EP3. However, Rosa died, trying to outrun death, heading for water. Ergo, she did not solve the Epitaph.

After everyone reneged on the succession part of the agreement, Krauss acting like it never happened and everyone else willing to let him have it just for equal shares (also hinted any other time they were shown finding the gold,) she poisoned them at the Halloween party they all organized together. Beatrice just cut them open, which is why Rosa was genuinely shocked on seeing them again.

According to Will, this isn't what happened. It also ignores the context of Beatrice's and the adult's actions in the scene where they talk, where everyone, including Rosa, accepts Beatrice as Kinzo's financial advisor, implying she showed them the gold. They also all then said they'd do what she said.

HMMM.

It's also stated to be incomplete, and it's discarded without hesitation; why? If the bold is honestly her strategy, to get hands on, it's even internally contradictory. Why get directly involved and then try to make Krauss and Natsuhi appear responsible?Trying to sow dissent and trying to claim it's all the responsibility of the Golden Witch are mutually conflicting.

It's incomplete because it doesn't have a Reader, a finished Fantasy narrative, or (if I recall) even reaches the 10th Twilight. The gameboard's internal logic isn't the problem.

Also, despite her motives, Yasu needs to have atleast one of the adults help her. Controlling the servants isn't enough, since the servants have no ability to control the adults' actions. She's not trying to frame Krauss and Natsuhi, but use them to set up her game.

* Knox's 1st: Yasu was not introduced as a character in the question arcs, which is when Willard has enough clues for the solution. Neither was "The Man from 19 years ago". Beatrice was introduced in late in EP1, but not as inhabiting a physical body, so to accuse her at that time would've conceded the game for the Human side.

This isn't how Knox's first works. Yasu is Shannon and Kanon, and that's what the Knox would indicate. An early-introduced character revealing they've been falsifying parts of their identity the whole time is valid and used in some of Knox's own novels.

* Van Dine's 11th: The servants cannot be the culprits. Operating as accomplices doesn't conflict with this, but Shannon/Kanon couldn't have initiated the 1st twilight.

This isn't how Van Dine's rule works. First of all, Yasu isn't a servant, but the secret head of the family working as a servant as cover. This is valid for Van Dine. Secondly, you neglect Van Dine's reasoning for this rule; That servants in his day were always used in mystery stories as copout culprits who had no characterization and could be blamed because they're not worth empathizing with. Yasu doesn't satisfy this, as she is geared to have more sympathy and characterization than anyone else in Umineko.

Also, Beatrice's gameboards aren't necessarily bound by Van Dine's rules. Will's existence isn't satisfactory evidence since he doesn't use them to solve Clair's mysteries.

Van Dine may not be applicable, but the rules cited in Red are; for example in EP 8 Willard cited the 12th without Red, only a handful of lines after citing the 7th in Red. This indicates there can be multiple independent culprits, but reinforces that servants can't be one of them.

You realize the only times that Will used the Red are 1) used in a non-Beatrice Gameboard before Bern summoned him, and 2) Directly denied by Bern as the Gamemaster, right?

also, good job, he quoted a Van Dine in Red. That only technically means that it's true that Van Dine's 11th reads thusly, not that it applies.

Also, it's not a dyed-in-Red rule, but a genre convention that the most obvious suspect isn't it. The exceptions to this aren't considered good examples of the genre, if not a different genre using the guise of mystery. After her introduction, Beatrice becomes the most obvious suspect, and 'Our Confession' only reinforces that.

'Beatrice' is a false identity. The whole premise of the novel is to find out who Beatrice is. Beatrice = Culprit = ? is the equation Ryukishi asked us to solve. You can't solve a mystery by saying "The culprit was....The Origami Killer!" That doesn't identify anyone.

[ALPHA-Beatrice]

Originally Posted by Auratwilight

If she solved the epitaph, she would've known where the gold was and also have known about the bomb and a safe place to hide from it, just like Eva did in EP3. However, Rosa died, trying to outrun death, heading for water. Ergo, she did not solve the Epitaph.

Knox's 8th: It's forbidden for the case to be solved without Clues! Was it ever foreshadowed that Kuwadorian would be a safe haven from the bomb?

[Sauzer]

Originally Posted by ALPHA-Beatrice

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Knox's 8th: It's forbidden for the case to be solved without Clues! Was it ever foreshadowed that Kuwadorian would be a safe haven from the bomb?

Yep. Only it's actually the other way around.
The fact that you could survive the "accident" in Kuwarodian actually hints that the "accident" had a radius of destruction.

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by ALPHA-Beatrice

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Knox's 8th: It's forbidden for the case to be solved without Clues! Was it ever foreshadowed that Kuwadorian would be a safe haven from the bomb?

Uh...you do realize that this is exactly how Eva survived, right? Like, they found her hiding there? This is all explained in EP4?