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I get what Oda's aiming for, but the execution is very lacking in my opinion and I'm not sure the pay-off will be worth it.
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2014-03-12, 10:05 | Link #22 |
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I have a feeling that this moment will be a crucial step in Usopp's development. We've had very similar situations before, but never has his cowardice been in the focus of the story that much. Everything's relying on him. Usopp will probably look back at this at a later point in the story and be ashamed of himself.
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Its something we seemed to be getting from how Ussop was portrayed on fishman island, but then oda Flipped Flopped and sent him back Pre-timeskip ussop. I mean really, did ussop need to abandon the dwarves out of cowardice? Could he not instead had just made a strategic retreat while he plans? One is outright cowardice, the other is just being smart and cautious (which can show a small amount of remaining fear and weakness, thus showing he has not achieved that true level of bravery he desires). Quote:
I'm wondering if we are about to find out why his body is so weird... I mean every time he walks around it looks like their are two people under that robe of his.
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Now try to picture Usopp face to face with the dragon they encountered in Punk Hazard all alone. No need to say he would have shat on his pants. Quote:
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2014-03-12, 10:27 | Link #25 |
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As was mentioned already, Usopp react differently depending on whether his crew is with him or not and other certain aspects. I already said it all in the discussion of the last chapter, but actually none of his "triggers" were activated so IMO it is only natural that he ran away. I can see now that contrary to what I believed last chapter, his behaviour now is probably unrelated to his past development, because this situation is completely different. For him the plan has no connection to his crew so it is not worth risking his life for, well at least until "the dwarves trust melted his selfish heart away". That is just the kind of person Usopp is.
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Oh and your still using the presence of his crew as an excuse? Robin was right there when he freaked out over those Dressrosa grunts; so having a companion with him did not help at all. And then there's Sugar; Even when Robin was still there he was thinking "if something happens I'm running". When Robin wasn't there; he still had the dwarves who are strong, but that didn't inspire and OUNCE of confidence in him as he hid and let them do all the work even though Robin was distracting the presumed bigger threat. And what about the fighting fish; he was acting like a coward even though he had both Robin and Law with him. Heck He's been thinking like a coward his entire time on dressrosa even when he had both Robin and Franky right next to him(when they were planning with the dwarves his thoughts were focused on running away). So no, Ussop's acts of cowardice in this arc has NOTHING to do with the presence of his crew because he's been acting like a coward even WITH them present. Ussop has had companions around him all this time on dressrosa but has acted as a coward regardless. Your excuses for why he was brave on fishman island just isn't consistent with what's going on; similar situation, different results. And heck with an army of fishman, THAT seemed like the scary situation than most of the stuff Ussop has been freaking out over on Dressrosa; He didn't even THINK like a coward on Fishman island, much less act like one. There is NO indication that him abandoning the dwarves had anything to do with him being alone without robin because he was acting like a coward LONG before that, despite her presence. Quote:
Not to mention that abandoning the dwarves is a seriously dick move...
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Slayer, I know you and me are trying to understand each other, but it isn't possible. So at this point all I can think about is to suggest you reread those arcs you mention and find me a chapter where Usopp has been put in a situation as dire as the current one. Of course you won't, as there's none that looks remotely close to what Usopp's going through as of this moment.
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2014-03-12, 11:55 | Link #30 | |
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But I suppose even something so easy to understand is not that clear to some people. To each his own. |
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2014-03-12, 12:02 | Link #31 | |
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Can you show me instances where ussop showed fear when dealing with the fishmen?
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2014-03-12, 12:06 | Link #32 |
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Trebol and Sugar are far stronger than the army of (useless) fishmen.
Sugar alone is levels above any of the lieutenants in the Fishman army, I would think. Oda did as best a job he could this chapter, trying to save Usopp's character. I still think that on the whole, he handled it poorly, but hey, it's his series.
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Whether or not something is threatening is not determined by how dangerous it is, but how dangerous its PERCEIVED to be. Our perceptions that determine our reactions. you would for example, say that a Lion is more threatening than a rabbit... that is until you see the rabbit tear off someone's head. Simply put, Sugar is the rabbit, while Fishmen are the lions. When you really analyze Sugar's abilities you can say she is indeed more dangerous. However, by appearances she seems less threatening. Even ussop had this same mentality; When he first heard that their target was a little girl he had a bit of relief thinking he could handle a little girl. Ofcourse even when Sugar was left alone, Ussop chose to keep hiding while the dwarves confronted her. Ussop was scared shitless of her LONG before it sunk in how dangerous she was. Heck I'm not even sure his opinion has really changed seeing as the dwarves themselves did not realize she used her powers to turn their comrades into toys and instead thought she just made a bunch of toys appear... Fishmen have the opposite effect; they are big, strong, armed and have sharp teeth; an entire army should send any cowardly man running. Hence Why i say that Sugar alone was less threatening than entire army of fishmen. There is room to argue the point, but it would not negate the other points about him being scared of dockworkers and the fighting fish, while not showing an ounce of fear when faced with an army of fishmen.
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2014-03-12, 12:38 | Link #35 |
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I didn't think Oda would portray Usopp's return so fast and was hoping for more Zoro and Franky action in the meantime.
The chapter progession was really slow, so I hope Oda picks up the pace after the flashback. Something I noticed in last week's chapter: Was Pica the first NW-opponent who made Zoro pant? GreyZone, you've got yourself a nice signature |
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it would be funny if Trebol was lost just like that
Usopp needs to look cool in front of the dwarves so he can get his own statue, and he definitely will get his own statue alongside Norland...the problem is, how cool his character can be? Quote:
I believe he purposely drag Usopp's character to the mud just so he can elevate him in this/future chapter
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The timeskip would have been the perfect chance for Usopp to realize his dream of becoming a brave warrior. Some of the Straw Hats have to achieve their goals sooner than the others. I highly doubt that it takes all of them until the end of the manga. Some will reach it earlier and some may not reach it at all before the story finishes. It's not like anyone would say "Sorry Luffy, I reached my goal. Now I'm going back home, you can continue your journey alone". |
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@ri0: thanks!
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2014-03-12, 14:13 | Link #40 | |
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And I dunno, but this Usopp runs away only to come back cooler than ever formula has been overused throughout the story it irks me there's still someone out there who still can't comprehend Usopp's character quirks. |
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