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Forsaken_Infinity · 2011-07-29, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Ikuhara said penguins are not the only animal companions to appear in the series. So if I had to guess I say the skunk is Yuri's animal companion (hence the mark). It fits, since Yuri knew Ringo was after Tabuki, and the skunk was clearly set agaist Ringo the whole episode.

But ugh... there was a televised live bulletin going on about finding the skunk. And other people, including Ringo, can see it. I guess it's a different type of companion then. A plausible idea though.

And while they were indeed over the top and a tad bit too long, the cardboard theaters were the best part of the episode. No hate please.

Sides · 2011-07-29, 16:24

In the OP there is a black penguin. Do the penguins have magical powers besides being invisible, like shape-shifting ?

Kazu-kun · 2011-07-29, 16:36

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Originally Posted by Sides

In the OP there is a black penguin. Do the penguins have magical powers besides being invisible, like shape-shifting ?

I don't know about shape-shifting, but the black penguin in the OP is probably

Spoiler for interview with Ikuhara:

In any case, I think the series is more about death than about fate. Or more precisely about how death affects people's lives (and their fate?). There is something about death related to Ringo too, but I can't talk about that here for obvious reasons....

Zeroryoko1974 · 2011-07-29, 16:43

Ep 4 was fabulous lol.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-07-29, 18:48

The goddamn penguins are just out of control

?!

Archon_Wing · 2011-07-29, 19:50

Wait, did we need to spend an entire episode on this? Oh well, mock theater for the win!

Anyhow, I felt this episode was boring some places, but there were a lot of funny parts, like the penguin looking like its gonna save her but lolololol it just wants fish. Also, that is one deep pond..

Last part is ominous enough to be intresting.

NaweG · 2011-07-29, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

There is something about death related to Ringo too, but I can't talk about that here for obvious reasons....

SO is there a thread on here for discussing the novel? I haven't read it, but I wouldn't mind being spoiled...

Triple_R · 2011-07-29, 20:48

I was a bit disappointed in Episode 4 myself. I agree with Reckoner, I think it was the weakest episode thus far.

The comedy bits were much more hit-and-miss in this episode for me. Too often it felt to me like it veered into standard anime comedy territory, almost like something you could find in any old slapstick comedy anime show.

With this in mind, I actually liked the cardboard theater bits the best, as they seemed the least conventional to me, and genuinely a bit clever (if not creative) at times. However, I will admit they were perhaps used a bit too much.

While Penguindrum does anime comedy well, I think that this comedy works best when its used within the framework of a genuinely suspenseful plotline (as was the case in the last two episodes). With this in mind, I just couldn't bring myself to truly care about Ringo's romantic woes in this episode. In fact, Ringo herself lost some of her luster in this episode for me, in how she so totally and crudely turned on the brother that joined her. Not saying it's out of character for a stalker - of course it isn't - just that it made me like Ringo less than I did before, and I'm not sure if that's good or not.

In fairness, likable yanderes can be tricky to pull off, at least based on what I've seen of them recently.

Shadow5YA · 2011-07-29, 20:53

The number of delusions Ringo had was a bit overkill. One or two of that diorama style drama would be fine, but after a certain point it just got really old.

MushroomSamba · 2011-07-30, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

With this in mind, I just couldn't bring myself to truly care about Ringo's romantic woes in this episode. In fact, Ringo herself lost some of her luster in this episode for me, in how she so totally and crudely turned on the brother that joined her. Not saying it's out of character for a stalker - of course it isn't - just that it made me like Ringo less than I did before, and I'm not sure if that's good or not.

I think that's sort of the point though...unless you identify with stalkers, Ringo isn't a character that's supposed to be immediately relatable. She's a bit of a fruitloop with the destiny stuff and clearly has relationship issues. While the situations she gets herself in are mostly comedic, there's still a subtle creepy undertone to them, something that's brought out in full force at the end of the episode (if she's really the one responsible for it), and I can't wait to see where it goes from here. This show continues to surprise and impress with its twists.

Flower · 2011-07-30, 01:39

*sigh*

Well, to be honest I didn't really like Ringo in earlier eps either ... hopefully this this will be a "rock bottom" experience and we will not have to see more of Ringo's ... erm ... distasteful behavior. -_-

I must admit though ... I was not expecting a skunk to pop up....

risingstar3110 · 2011-07-30, 02:38

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Originally Posted by Sides

In the OP there is a black penguin. Do the penguins have magical powers besides being invisible, like shape-shifting ?

I thought it is an "Emperor Penguin", which yeah possibly is the one who is possessing Himari. However the Penguin Queen, even when we don't really know her original form yet, seems to be humanoid through considering her sense of fashion...

The black penguin could also be the penguin of the final boss of this series..

Flower · 2011-07-30, 02:42

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....The black penguin could also be the penguin of the final boss of this series..

For some reason I thought this might be the case....

Mizuno · 2011-07-30, 07:33

Are these penguins up for sale somewhere yet? :3

Kirarakim · 2011-07-30, 08:09

I really liked this episode...I liked that Sho played a bigger part in Ringo's story and I actually enjoyed the cut outs (they reminded me of Rose of Versailles)

I do hope and expect the series to get darker but I am enjoying the comedy for now. And the ending was certainly something. I can't make up my mind if it was Ringo or the Juri look a like that pushed that girl in the end.

Kanon · 2011-07-30, 10:48

I don't care how insane Ringo is. I have decided she is adorably awesome. Her fantasies and her brilliant plans that pretty much always backfire are too much fun.

Let's destiny!

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

I do hope and expect the series to get darker but I am enjoying the comedy for now. And the ending was certainly something. I can't make up my mind if it was Ringo or the Juri look a like that pushed that girl in the end.

It's

Spoiler for potential spoiler:

Right now, I'm interested in why that girl was pushed. Is it a way to set Kanba up? He just had an argument with that girl in front of several other girls, and then that girl is pushed form an escalator... he'll definitely be on the suspect list.

Kirarakim · 2011-07-30, 11:24

Ah I didn't notice the sleeves, thanks for that

Ronny · 2011-07-30, 13:28

Some speculation about the end I hope people will try and participate in (already happened mostly clearly lol):

Spoiler for Final Moments of ep 4:

ThereminVox · 2011-07-30, 14:10

I'm seriously finding it hard to follow the story, because I can't take my eyes off of the penguins as they chew the scenery in the background. In #2's case, he actually is often LITERALLY chewing the scenery. I like how no one cares how he was trying to swallow #3 whole. I have to admit, though, I laughed at the fake-out of #2 swimming down towards Ringo. Awesome.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately suspected the skunk of being the actress' familiar. It really seemed out to ruin Ringo's day.

Regardless of who the murderer(?) is, I found it chilling how contentedly Ringo marked the page with her stamp at the end. After an entire episode of her rom-com antics, and demented musical daydreams, it was a bit of a shock to the system to be reminded how dangerously obsessed with fate she is. If she was really there, even just to witness it and make sure it happened, that's the red flag of a sociopath. Obviously we won't know for sure until next episode, but that's how I read it.

Slick_rick · 2011-07-30, 15:17

I doubt Ringo had anything to do with this. She seems very liberal in the way she interprets the diary but this entry itself is fairly vague. It seemed like we were missing something in that entry. What was so interesting about the woman with red heels to deserve mention. If it said the woman fell or pushed then that might be incriminate her but I do see it yet.

The new girl seems to fit the clothing so its might be her but we this might be to mislead us. We don't know enough about what she wants or what she's like to really know.

I'd say Kanba is shady as hell with his lock picking and spying skills. I don't know how he's involved but the new girl seems interested in him for some reason. Though I also think a lot of other people have secrets that aren't as obvious yet.

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Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I was a bit disappointed in Episode 4 myself. I agree with Reckoner, I think it was the weakest episode thus far. The comedy bits were much more hit-and-miss in this episode for me. Too often it felt to me like it veered into standard anime comedy territory, almost like something you could find in any old slapstick comedy anime show. With this in mind, I actually liked the cardboard theater bits the best, as they seemed the least conventional to me, and genuinely a bit clever (if not creative) at times. However, I will admit they were perhaps used a bit too much. While Penguindrum does anime comedy well, I think that this comedy works best when its used within the framework of a genuinely suspenseful plotline (as was the case in the last two episodes). With this in mind, I just couldn't bring myself to truly care about Ringo's romantic woes in this episode. In fact, Ringo herself lost some of her luster in this episode for me, in how she so totally and crudely turned on the brother that joined her. Not saying it's out of character for a stalker - of course it isn't - just that it made me like Ringo less than I did before, and I'm not sure if that's good or not. In fairness, likable yanderes can be tricky to pull off, at least based on what I've seen of them recently. __________________

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Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	sigh Well, to be honest I didn't really like Ringo in earlier eps either ... hopefully this this will be a "rock bottom" experience and we will not have to see more of Ringo's ... erm ... distasteful behavior. -_- I must admit though ... I was not expecting a skunk to pop up.... __________________

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Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I really liked this episode...I liked that Sho played a bigger part in Ringo's story and I actually enjoyed the cut outs (they reminded me of Rose of Versailles) I do hope and expect the series to get darker but I am enjoying the comedy for now. And the ending was certainly something. I can't make up my mind if it was Ringo or the Juri look a like that pushed that girl in the end. __________________ Twitter MAL

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	The number of delusions Ringo had was a bit overkill. One or two of that diorama style drama would be fine, but after a certain point it just got really old.

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Ronny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007	Some speculation about the end I hope people will try and participate in (already happened mostly clearly lol): Spoiler for Final Moments of ep 4: 1) What exactly was Ringo's full red heels entry? Or is that it - there was a girl with red heels on the escalator? > Did Ringo witness the event (as it was 9pm, just like the entry - although Ringo so far seems willing to accept having simply seen the girl at, say, 8:50pm) 2) Did Juri2/Natsume really push the girl? > We're thinking, since it's so obvious, it might be a red herring. Explanation: it's a school uniform, so Natsume isn't necessarily the only one with that outfit walking around. However, what are the motives? 3) Is Kanba involved in any way (either directly or indirectly)? Last edited by Ronny; 2011-07-31 at 06:55.

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ThereminVox Guess what time it is? Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Age: 38	I'm seriously finding it hard to follow the story, because I can't take my eyes off of the penguins as they chew the scenery in the background. In #2's case, he actually is often LITERALLY chewing the scenery. I like how no one cares how he was trying to swallow #3 whole. I have to admit, though, I laughed at the fake-out of #2 swimming down towards Ringo. Awesome. Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately suspected the skunk of being the actress' familiar. It really seemed out to ruin Ringo's day. Regardless of who the murderer(?) is, I found it chilling how contentedly Ringo marked the page with her stamp at the end. After an entire episode of her rom-com antics, and demented musical daydreams, it was a bit of a shock to the system to be reminded how dangerously obsessed with fate she is. If she was really there, even just to witness it and make sure it happened, that's the red flag of a sociopath. Obviously we won't know for sure until next episode, but that's how I read it.

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Slick_rick Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philadelphia, Pa	I doubt Ringo had anything to do with this. She seems very liberal in the way she interprets the diary but this entry itself is fairly vague. It seemed like we were missing something in that entry. What was so interesting about the woman with red heels to deserve mention. If it said the woman fell or pushed then that might be incriminate her but I do see it yet. The new girl seems to fit the clothing so its might be her but we this might be to mislead us. We don't know enough about what she wants or what she's like to really know. I'd say Kanba is shady as hell with his lock picking and spying skills. I don't know how he's involved but the new girl seems interested in him for some reason. Though I also think a lot of other people have secrets that aren't as obvious yet. __________________