2008-09-16, 17:48 | Link #222 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
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This debate sounds like some of the rounds we had during history courses over the reasons and justifications of several different wars. Also some interpetations over who started the Second World War and why and with whom. I'm not talking about the war in Europe either...I mean the longer war in Asia and the Pacific...you know, the one that started in 1931 China and lasted until 1945 (or even the mid-1970s for a few unlucky souls that never got their orders to stand down). Those debates can really mess with your head and notions you might have from your current history textbooks.
Same problem. Who started it and why? It isn't always a matter of who shot first if the one that shot first was provoked into shooting. Sometimes the first shot isn't what starts the war. It could the the thousandth shot...it was just the first one that was really noticed, or had a civilian impact. It could also be years between the first shot and the real start of the war. Some wars are like that. One just has to figure out (hopefully in the next two episodes) just what is going on and perhaps the truth behind this conflict. As for the double standard....that is normal in war. Propaganda works, and some people are wired to see things certain ways and others see it differently. Sometimes that is the cause of a war.
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2008-09-16, 20:23 | Link #223 |
Macross Lifer!
Join Date: Jan 2008
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... plan in simple it's probably all Grace's fault. We saw through the flash back in ep 23 that the vajra and humantradi in the research fleet did live in harmony for a while. IE chibi ranka singing on the planet with the vajra in the background.
Grace proposed that something be "sacrificed" to further their science which Ranshe vehemently opposed. Next thing we see is Macross Global crashing in to the planet. |
2008-09-17, 02:57 | Link #225 | |
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2008-10-04, 09:55 | Link #228 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 35
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I know that, but I remember when episode 1 aired, the claws destroying a 171 quite a few people made remarks about the claws and how they weren't in the deculture edition.
I watched it again a few nights ago and was like...wait a second. You know what they never got around to explaining, what was up with the Ranshe vision with the Vajra queen. That, or it was just the vajra projecting their memories for Ranka. I don't know. |
2008-10-04, 20:08 | Link #234 |
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I'm just saying, Ranka didn't seem to appreciate anything that ever happened to her, and was merely content to follow Alto around. She'd say "Why me?" "Save me!", but never tried to figure anything out until she absolutely had to and personally couldn't take anymore.
So, anything the Vajra did or how they seemed to conduct themselves, it's all meaningless and it's just there to confuse the viewer. |
2008-10-04, 21:35 | Link #235 |
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: PMB Headquarters
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At first thought, I actually thought the little green pet Ranka has was a Carbuncle from the Final Fantasy series, but it turned out to be a vajra.
Regarding the vajra's communication network, I find it to greatly resemble the collective consciousness of the UMN in Xenosaga. However, the last episode contradicts the original theory and thus, it bears no resemblance. |
2008-10-04, 21:40 | Link #237 |
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Yeah, the Vajra just suck all over the place. It's like they read up on all the different bug races in Sci-fi, and selectively picked from each one on an episode to episode basis. I imagine everything before the final episode was bullcrap, and shouldn't be believed, and the final episode should be quickly disregarded the next time something new comes up.
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2008-10-16, 03:28 | Link #238 |
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: veenwouden,Netherlands
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the vaijra(atleast how they show them on the series) are really unbeliefbly stupid
if they where all connected to each other and acted as a single organism then they would be way smarter and probably evolve a lot faster to counter the weapons used against them |
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