[Manga] Sasuke is stronger than Yondaime

[Yellow Flash]

Yes, Sasuke post-timeskip is already stronger than Yondaime Hokage.

Here's why:

Sasuke is one of the genius of the Uchiha clan, the most feared and strongest clan.

At age 12, he already copied Lee's taijutsu, which is the same as Gai, in one second.
Then he surpassed it in just two weeks of training, and mastered the chidori,
a genius ninjutsu, even though he is an Uchiha fire type, he can learn lightning jutsu.

Sasuke is one of the three Uchiha, with Itachi and Madara, the strongest of the clan.
His chakra is more terrifying and cursed than that of Kyuubi, with amazing potential.
Yondaime's chakra was never special, as he is just a normal shinobi who doesn't have a bloodline.

Sasuke was chosen by Orochimaru as the perfect container,
a genius that appears only in decades and who was
supposed to become 4th Hokage, not that other one.

Yondaime was strong enough to seal Kyuubi.

Uh huh. So? Sasuke already defeated Kyuubi, when he suppressed the chakra as if it's nothing.
Kyuubi is afraid of the Uchihas, as they threaten it's existence, like Uchiha Madara, the strongest of all.
Kyuubi had to beg Sasuke not to kill Naruto, as he doesn't stand a chance against this Uchiha kid.


Yondaime created Rasengan, a high-level jutsu.

Yes? Sasuke has Chidori, which is equal to Rasengan, stated in the databook.
This is the jutsu developed by genius Kakashi, who wanted to fight Yondaime, even as a kid,
and went against Yondaime's orders to show how impressive the Hatake clan is.
Not to mention Sasuke can flow Chidori from his entire body, the absolute defense.

Yondaime can use Hiraishin no jutsu.

Uh huh. So? Sharingan may be able to copy Hiraishin, as it isn't a bloodline ability.
Sasuke already gained insane speed anyway, so Yondaime's jutsu isn't a problem.
Sharingan can see the seals and predict movements, so Yondaime can't surprise him,
which is the primary advantage of Hiraishin, to surprise the enemy and ambush him.

Sasuke is the young lion, with more potential than Itachi in his eyes. Yondaime is inferior.

[Rachy]

Yus Sasuke is that great, i agree with all the points Yellow.

Not to mention Sasuke's new Kusangi sword could slash Yondaime in half ^_^.

With the potential to still get the MS.

[tramadrama]

Unless the 4th is Uchiha Madara LOL. Wishful thinking right LOL.

[Syaoran]

This sounds like someone got bribed by another person *looks at the first 2 posts*

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tramadrama

Unless the 4th is Uchiha Madara LOL. Wishful thinking right LOL.

i agree with you lol, don't listen to rave cuz obviously she'll agree to anything related to sasuke.

btw how did // or since when:

• Sasuke beat the Kyuubi
• Yondaime inferior to Sasuke, Yondaime = Hokage
• Copy Hiraishin and be better than Yondaime,if so can't every uchiha member learn hiraishin no jutsu then?

Originally Posted by Syaoran

This sounds like someone got bribed by another person *looks at the first 2 posts*

well it seeeeeeeems soooooooo

[Rachy]

Sasuke beat the Kyuubi

Sasuke can supress kyuubi now, he's no threat unless he gets full released even then Sasuke could win.

Yondaime inferior to Sasuke, Yondaime = Hokage

Duh, Sasuke = Kage level.

Copy Hiraishin and be better than Yondaime,if so can't every uchiha member learn hiraishin no jutsu then?

Not every Uchiha had exceptional speed and the sharingan potential as Sasuke.

[Blaine]

Seems like YF is going to be drooling over sasuke now instead of yondaime, he will probably change his nick to super sasuke but still come up with more ridiculous theory's.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Hahaha omg yeah right...

First of all....The Kyuubi's true power gets unleashed when that seal is gone...it was normal materialized chakra that came out of that gate...

Thousands never managed to even get close to the Kyuubi...only some...and supposedly Sasuke is already stronger...

The Kyuubi isnt afraid at all...in fact he is the one that causes fear..

Put Yondaime Hokage vs the Kyuubi and probably both will die and if not the Kyuubi will kill the 4th.

Put Sasuke vs the Kyuubi and Sasuke will lose horribly.

Also Hiraishin cant be copied...it goes faster then the eye can predict since it's instantly. Tsukyomi is also instantly and Kakashi couldnt predict what was gonna happen...if he could he'd look up in the sky for a sec.

The 4th isnt a Uchiha...you can already put that out of your head...
If you can show us a Uchiha (with Sharingan) that has Blond hair, blue eyes other then the 4th i might reconsider the possibility...same goes for an Hyuuga with other eyes and hair.

Just think logical...you think that one guy especially one who cant compare with the Sannin or Itachi stands a chance against the Kyuubi? Uchiha Madara might be even an Uchiha who could hurt or inflict damage to the Kyuubi...which is what the Kyuubi remembered.

I still believe that not even the 4th could damage the body of the Kyuubi...taking his soul was the only chance of winning.

It's fine though that you skip from Die-Hard-4th-Fan to Sasuke-Die-Hard-Fan....perhaps at a certain point even a girl like rave would want you to stop mocking him...and keep it a bit real..

[Rachy]

Just think logical...you think that one guy especially one who cant compare with the Sannin or Itachi stands a chance against the Kyuubi? Uchiha Madara might be even an Uchiha who could hurt or inflict damage to the Kyuubi...which is what the Kyuubi remembered.

Sasuke has the most potential of all uchiha, probably even more than Madara, foreshadowing that Sasuke would be real trouble for the kyuubi by comparing him to uchiha Madara.

Put Sasuke vs the Kyuubi and Sasuke will lose horribly.

Yondaime is proof kyuubi can be beaten by humans, that's an unfair statement.

I still believe that not even the 4th could damage the body of the Kyuubi...taking his soul was the only chance of winning.

The 4th couldn't, Sasuke probably could ^^'.

[Wolcik]

so when Sasuke was inside Naruto's mind was it:

Genjutsu that would show Naruto, that Sasuke is suprising Kyuubi, so he wouldn't think of using it (Naruto used to be very weak against Gensjiutsu)

Sasuke with his Sharinan (or Genjutsu) seeing into Naruto and suprassing Kyuubi's given chakra (it wasn't even 2 tails at this moment, or not even 1 tail amount - as Kyuubi gives Naruto some chakra that Naruto can use up, and ask for more but later in the story he doesn't even ask)


u can't take the Sasuke Preview totally seriously, cause that makes him waaaay stronger than Oro is, and he's Akatsuki level which is stronger than Hokage

[tramadrama]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

The 4th isnt a Uchiha...you can already put that out of your head...
If you can show us a Uchiha (with Sharingan) that has Blond hair, blue eyes other then the 4th i might reconsider the possibility...same goes for an Hyuuga with other eyes and hair.

I was being sarcastic.

[Yellow Flash]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

If you can show us a Uchiha (with Sharingan) that has Blond hair, blue eyes other then the 4th i might reconsider the possibility...same goes for an Hyuuga with other eyes and hair.

Uchiha Yashiro.

[Kotengu]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Yes, Sasuke post-timeskip is already stronger than Yondaime Hokage.

Here's why:

Sasuke is one of the genius of the Uchiha clan, the most feared and strongest clan.

At age 12, he already copied Lee's taijutsu, which is the same as Gai, in one second.
Then he surpassed it in just two weeks of training, and mastered the chidori,
a genius ninjutsu, even though he is an Uchiha fire type, he can learn lightning jutsu.

Sasuke is one of the three Uchiha, with Itachi and Madara, the strongest of the clan.
His chakra is more terrifying and cursed than that of Kyuubi, with amazing potential.
Yondaime's chakra was never special, as he is just a normal shinobi who doesn't have a bloodline.

Sasuke was chosen by Orochimaru as the perfect container,
a genius that appears only in decades and who was
supposed to become 4th Hokage, not that other one.

Yondaime was strong enough to seal Kyuubi.

Uh huh. So? Sasuke already defeated Kyuubi, when he suppressed the chakra as if it's nothing.
Kyuubi is afraid of the Uchihas, as they threaten it's existence, like Uchiha Madara, the strongest of all.
Kyuubi had to beg Sasuke not to kill Naruto, as he doesn't stand a chance against this Uchiha kid.


Yondaime created Rasengan, a high-level jutsu.

Yes? Sasuke has Chidori, which is equal to Rasengan, stated in the databook.
This is the jutsu developed by genius Kakashi, who wanted to fight Yondaime, even as a kid,
and went against Yondaime's orders to show how impressive the Hatake clan is.
Not to mention Sasuke can flow Chidori from his entire body, the absolute defense.

Yondaime can use Hiraishin no jutsu.

Uh huh. So? Sharingan may be able to copy Hiraishin, as it isn't a bloodline ability.
Sasuke already gained insane speed anyway, so Yondaime's jutsu isn't a problem.
Sharingan can see the seals and predict movements, so Yondaime can't surprise him,
which is the primary advantage of Hiraishin, to surprise the enemy and ambush him.

Sasuke is the young lion, with more potential than Itachi in his eyes. Yondaime is inferior.

Your points are a little agressive. . .
first just because you are part of a cool clan doesn't mean you kick ass. -Cough- hinata-chough-
Lee's taijutsu DOESN"T COMPARE to the illustrious gai sensei, and lee will tell you that himself! it's just a cheep imitaion (for now).
His chakra is CURSED. not terrifying or powerful. which are more accurate descripitions of the kyuubi's chakra.
Sasuke was the 3rd choice oro made for a new container. Itchi was first, then kimimaro, THEN sasuke. And it wasn't cause they was perfect. it was cuz they were ideal (a bit of a difference there).
Sasuke didn't defeat kyuubi. He kept it from being released. BIG difference. Even oro and the rest of akatsuki weren't fighting the actuall demons. Just people who were channeling their power.(again a bit of a difference)
Chidori wouldn't be good if it wasn't paired with sharingan! Just like naruto wouldn't be able to do rasengan without kagebushin/kyuubi. If anyone used chidori against rasengan without other jutu involved rasengan would have the advantage.
Again sharingan might be able to copy it, but it doesn't mean he can do it. . .
and oro's judgments of potential are a little skewed. He said naruto was crap, but since he's the main character of the series, he obviouly isn't.

Overall yea I think sasuke could be better than yondaime. IN THE FUTURE. not as he is right now. yea I think sasuke has potential, but all we saw him do is hop around real fast and stab yammato. That's not gonna convince be of his bad assery when he said he and oro couldn't beat itchi right now.

[tramadrama]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Uchiha Yashiro.

Wasn't that one of the guys coming to arrest Itachi? I can't remember, but that name sounds familiar.

[Yorae_paladin1]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

Your points are a little agressive. . .
first just because you are part of a cool clan doesn't mean you kick ass. -Cough- hinata-chough-
Lee's taijutsu DOESN"T COMPARE to the illustrious gai sensei, and lee will tell you that himself! it's just a cheep imitaion (for now).
His chakra is CURSED. not terrifying or powerful. which are more accurate descripitions of the kyuubi's chakra.
Sasuke was the 3rd choice oro made for a new container. Itchi was first, then kimimaro, THEN sasuke. And it wasn't cause they was perfect. it was cuz they were ideal (a bit of a difference there).
Sasuke didn't defeat kyuubi. He kept it from being released. BIG difference. Even oro and the rest of akatsuki weren't fighting the actuall demons. Just people who were channeling their power.(again a bit of a difference)
Chidori wouldn't be good if it wasn't paired with sharingan! Just like naruto wouldn't be able to do rasengan without kagebushin/kyuubi. If anyone used chidori against rasengan without other jutu involved rasengan would have the advantage.
Again sharingan might be able to copy it, but it doesn't mean he can do it. . .
and oro's judgments of potential are a little skewed. He said naruto was crap, but since he's the main character of the series, he obviouly isn't.

Overall yea I think sasuke could be better than yondaime. IN THE FUTURE. not as he is right now. yea I think sasuke has potential, but all we saw him do is hop around real fast and stab yammato. That's not gonna convince be of his bad assery when he said he and oro couldn't beat itchi right now.

Yeah oro judges simply based on natural potential and doesn't really value hard work to him those born with it are better than those that work at it and that will lead him to completely underestimate naruto and to his demise.

[Hunter]

I just got one question : is this due to a renew in YF's posts or a to another lost bet with rave?

[cheese4u]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

Your points are a little agressive. . .
first just because you are part of a cool clan doesn't mean you kick ass. -Cough- hinata-chough-
Lee's taijutsu DOESN"T COMPARE to the illustrious gai sensei, and lee will tell you that himself! it's just a cheep imitaion (for now).
His chakra is CURSED. not terrifying or powerful. which are more accurate descripitions of the kyuubi's chakra.
Sasuke was the 3rd choice oro made for a new container. Itchi was first, then kimimaro, THEN sasuke. And it wasn't cause they was perfect. it was cuz they were ideal (a bit of a difference there).
Sasuke didn't defeat kyuubi. He kept it from being released. BIG difference. Even oro and the rest of akatsuki weren't fighting the actuall demons. Just people who were channeling their power.(again a bit of a difference)
Chidori wouldn't be good if it wasn't paired with sharingan! Just like naruto wouldn't be able to do rasengan without kagebushin/kyuubi. If anyone used chidori against rasengan without other jutu involved rasengan would have the advantage.
Again sharingan might be able to copy it, but it doesn't mean he can do it. . .
and oro's judgments of potential are a little skewed. He said naruto was crap, but since he's the main character of the series, he obviouly isn't.

Overall yea I think sasuke could be better than yondaime. IN THE FUTURE. not as he is right now. yea I think sasuke has potential, but all we saw him do is hop around real fast and stab yammato. That's not gonna convince be of his bad assery when he said he and oro couldn't beat itchi right now.

I agree with everything except the Rasengan part, Naruto mastered Rasengan without Kyuubi.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Hunter

I just got one question : is this due to a renew in YF's posts or a to another lost bet with rave?

-Maybe Yellow Flash is in love with Uchiha Rave and is trying to score some brownie points with her? My, my, my, how the mighty have fallen...Whatever, it seems like the mind of 2 character fanatics is just plain incomprehensible for us normal people...

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by uchiha rave

Sasuke has the most potential of all uchiha, probably even more than Madara, foreshadowing that Sasuke would be real trouble for the kyuubi by comparing him to uchiha Madara.



Yondaime is proof kyuubi can be beaten by humans, that's an unfair statement.



The 4th couldn't, Sasuke probably could ^^'.

We dont know anything about Madara so we cant say anything about him...

Sasuke's potential might be the greatest ever...but that doesnt mean that he already is at his peak...with hardwork he'll get stronger but he still has alot of work to do to get there.

4th only had proven that attacking his soul was the road to victory...the 4th lost his own soul sealing that creature. Losing your soul is worse then dieing..

During the attack of the Kyuubi probably alot of Uchiha's died (since it was mentioned that the Clan was smaller then it used to be) I'll bet that there were outstanding Uchiha's amoung them perhaps some that come near Itachi's lvl or even better.

Though in the end all died...including the 4th. This is an assumption but a theory closer then Sasuke beating the Kyuubi.

[Sarugaki]

Haha nice ownage, well done Uchiha Rave.