Honey and Clover manga

[Bamse]

other name: Hachimitsu to Clover
so i was wondering does manga continue after anime ?
and i guess not translated or scanlated.

[Serenade]

Has the old thread gone poof?

Yes. The manga is still continuing. The anime ends at Vol.7 (Chapter 46) of the manga, there's no up-to-date English scanlations (I think). Currently, the Chinese scanlations I have are up to Chapter 56.

[ShikaShika]

This is on top of my wishing list right now.

[KoroshiyaX]

Ya, it is unfortunate. The anime ends right before the more interesting romantic developments start in the manga.

[Cal-Reflector]

This post is addressed to the Old Guard, those who were a part of those thesis-length-comment in depth discussions on the intricacies of the overlapping and conflicting relationships in this show during the heyday of this thread:

Spoiler for Additional End notes for Manga volume 2:

In which the beastie poodle Midori-chan gives the readers a brief overview of the members of the cast. I learned here, among other things, that at the time of the story's beginning, Hanamoto Shuuji is "A little over 30 years old," which is much younger than the impression I recieved. Also (this is not news, but just for reference):

Mayama: 21
Morita: 24
Ayu: 20
Takemoto:19
Hagumi: 18
Midori-chan: 4

What intrigued me the most were the panels addressing Rika, in which Midori-chan says. "... I suspect that these two (Rika and Shuuji) once had [a relationship] in the past..... call it a woman's intuition? Ah well, they are adults afterall, and its not unusual to have all sorts of phases..."

Once more, this is the sort of microscopic reading-into-the-lines that used to go on, and thus intended only for those who've been there.

[chamelean75]

will anyone who is reading the manga give a summar of what has happened so far? Did Hagumi and takemoto get together yet?

[Onibaba]

If only Mayama liked Ayu~ T_T

good series.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by chamelean75

will anyone who is reading the manga give a summary of what has happened so far? Did Hagumi and Takemoto get together yet?

This will be a rough overview from memory. Sorry for any inaccuracies due to poor memory or inadequate Japanese.

Spoiler for manga since end of anime:

Nomiya is off at the office in Tottori. He has interest in Ayu, but realizes she still loves Mayama, who has no romantic interest in her, but loves Rika, his boss. One time, when Nomiya calls the home office, he speaks with Ayu and hears in her voice how sad she is. He drives overnight to get back and see her. Meanwhile, his boss-lady (Miwako, I think) has made an excuse to have her deliver something to Tottori. When he finds out, he simply turns around and drives back, arriving just as she is about to go back to Tokyo. He collapses onto the couch, grasping her hand so she can't leave. His coworker brings out a futon and they sleep there, he on the couch and she on the futon. The next day they walk on the famous Tottori sand-dunes and get a bit closer. As she is leaving, standing in the doorway of the train, he says he loves her -- and the door closes. She gobbles up bento on the way home, in a daze. We see an image of the train rushing back to Tokyo, surrounded in imagination by a herd of unicorns, the protectors of this medieval maiden. Later they meet again in Tokyo, but she is still in her quandary and, although she likes Nomiya, can't make up her mind to do anything about it.

Mayama and Rika are at the station to see off an old friend and colleague who is heading back north on the bullet train. At the last minute, Mayama forces Rika onto the train as it leaves, taking her back to see her old home on Hokkaido for the first time in years. They have to share a sleeping compartment, but they stay in separate beds. The next day, they look around her old place (which has been demolished and turned back to a field). Then they stay together in a hotel -- and in the same bed, with all that that entails. The next morning, she seems about to sneak out when he stops her and takes her purse so she can't actually leave town. I think he was afraid she might either leave him or even commit suicide. Later it appears that she has changed her ad for a new apartment to include a second bedroom. Later she goes off to Spain on a job, and later still she calls him to come and join her there.

Morita and his brother were raised by their father, a genius inventor who had a technical company of some kind. He lost the company due to his enthusiastic and unbusinesslike ways, and the boys grew up fairly destitute after that. Morita and Kaoru have evolved a way to go and reclaim the company, which they do, probably with the help of money and influence from Morita's American film employer.

After graduation, Hagu intends to go back to the country and paint. Takemoto will work with the travelling temple-conservators he worked with on his bicycle journey. During preparations for their final school festival, a big pane of glass is dropped on Hagu, injuring her badly, in particular the nerves in her drawing hand. Takemoto, Ayu and Shuuji are there for her, but don't know what to do. Hagu refuses pain-killer because she wants to feel anything in her hand she can. Ayu, depressed over not being able to help Hagu, is in a bookstore and Nomiya happens to see her. After a conversation, he tells her that she is Hagu's friend and should just do whatever she can for her and it will help. She goes home and makes a beautiful cape to cover Hagu's shoulders and arm to keep her warm, using her father's old down jacket and spreading down all over everywhere. Hagu is moved by the gift and by Ayu's love for her. You get the sense it is the beginning of her rehabilitation. She continues to rehab as Takemoto worries over what to do: he wants to stay with Hagu, but knows he is doing little, and that he has to make money if he is ever to get together with her for real, so he seems about to accept an invitation to go out with the temple restorers on a job.

[Autumn]

Thanks Kaoru Chujo for you summary. What volume does the summary covers?

[Yotsuba]

I really wish scans were released more quickly. If I lived in Japan, I'd supply them.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Big episode. Don't read the spoiler unless you really want to be spoiled....

Spoiler:

It's the return of Morita.

Ayu brings a pot of stew for Hagu in the hospital: beef fat with kumquats. Healthy with vitamin C, collagen and chondroitin, she says happily. Hagu eats away, while Shuuji and a nurse are laid flat by just the smell.

A little boy in the hospital is going through rehabilitation too, but he cries in pain and refuses to do things, while Hagu stolidly proceeds. Ayu realizes that Hagu probably feels inside just as the little boy does, but doesn't show it.

Takemoto has brought Ayu some broken pottery samples from a pagoda his group are repairing, hoping she can reproduce them. Morita suddenly comes rushing into her studio: "Where's Mouse? I heard from Mayama."　Ayu tells him and he leaps out the window and into a waiting taxi. Ayu tells Takemoto she e-mailed Mayama and asked him to tell Morita. She apologizes to Takemoto. He says he has to follow Morita, since he's afraid of what he might do. He leaps out the window -- and falls flat on his face. Then gets up and pedals off on Ayu's bike.

Shuuji and Hagu sit outside the hospital talking. She says what a burden she's afraid of being to him if she never gets better. He says she's no burden at all now, compared to when she was little and was sick in his car, or when he had to save her from being carried away in a river. She admits that she's scared. He says that's natural. She cries in his arms. She can't imagine living on unable to draw. Drawing has been so important to her since she was a small child.

Shuuji goes off to get hot chocolate for her. Morita suddenly appears in front of Hagu. When Shuuji returns, Hagu is gone. Takemoto arrives and tells about Morita. Emotion flares in Shuuji's eyes. Takemoto and Shuuji search high and low. Shuuji remembers her saying that life wouldn't have any meaning if she couldn't draw. They're worried.

We see Morita and Hagu in an apartment high above the city. I was surprised, says Hagu. You appearing so suddenly. What is this place? Morita says he and his elder brother call it their hide-out. How is your brother? asks Hagu. Morita doesn't answer. You look thinner, she says. So do you, he replies. How was your time away? she breaks into a smile. Did you do a lot? Did you go to new places and see new things? I'll bet you did a lot. When I get better, I'll show you my work....

It's okay, says Morita. Don't draw. You don't have to draw. Just living on is okay. Doing that together would be okay. Just that would be enough for me. She looks
up at him in wonder. He enfolds her in his arms. Continued next month.

The previous summary covered volume 8 (chapters 47-53) plus chapters 54-59 that have only appeared in the magazines (Young You and now Chorus) so far.

[aliensporebomb]

Okay, I read the spoilers because I'm addicted to this damn series.

Can I say: "wow. wow. wow. ohmygod. wow."

Spoiler:

Rika and Mayama! Hagu and Morita! Ayu and Nomiya! Holy crap!

Looks like Takemoto and Shuuji will have to get an old bachelors club going or something...

[Cal-Reflector]

Spoiler for my own thoughts on chapter 60 after reading:

It suddenly hit me after hearing Ayu remind us that Hanamoto-sensei is in fact not Hagu's father and after watching him comfort her; what would happen to Shuuji if and whenever Hagu becomes independent or leaves him to live with her real father? It struck me how after Rika, Shuuji became and is especially now a life-line for Hagu to cling onto... but who has or will be there for him?

If/when Hagu leaves him, then Hanamoto sensei will truly be the loneliest person in the story... as if he wasn't already.

This chapter also sheds more light on Morita and Hagu's relationship. Much has been discussed about them, but what becomes even more apparent in this chapter is this:

1)Aside from their unique bond through their shared genius, there is a also a sense of rivalry between them that matters a great deal to them both.
2)Thus, Hagu appearing on the verge of tears in front of him came as a result of her not being able to keep her end of the bargain; her inability to continue to keep pace with him and continue to create great art to spur and inspire them both.
3)And significantly, Morita DISMISSES the imporance of art saying (and implying) that they don't need art for their relationship to be meaningful, and he's content as long as he can continue to live on with her.

Conclusion: I don't think this will neccessarily respark the romantic feelings that Hagu once held for Morita (a long, long time ago...), but things are very interesting now as the Morita-Hagu-Takemoto reaches its apex of suspense.

I can't wait.

[Yotsuba]

omfg. i can't breathe.

[Cal-Reflector]

Spoiler for massive spoiler and select images and trans from chapter 60:

Shhuji and Hagu... what can I say. I worship Morita but I love Shuu-chan sensei.


*Shuuji telling Hagu to speak up about her feelings*
Hagu: "I'm scared... if I say them, I'm afraid i won't be able to stop them *her fears*."
Shuuji: "It's alright, just let it out (speak up)."


Rika has no idea what sort of man she gave up when she pushed Shuu away...


Hagu: "You're thinner..."
Morita: "... You too."
Hagu: "You surprised me, all of a sudden... have you still been visiting all sorts of places? Did you see alot of interesting things? Did you make alot of things? Did you accomplish alot?"


Hagu: "Just... just wait for me a little. I'll definitely be healed, and then... once more... once more I'll draw/paint alot of things, and then... and then i can show them to you..."
Morita: "... its alright. Dont draw any more, its okay even if you don't draw/paint."


Morita: "Things like you no longer have a meaning to live... don't say such rediculous things. Just keep on living and it will be okay, as long as we're together it will be okay. I too... that's all that I need (and it will be okay)."

[Yotsuba]

Originally Posted by Cal-Reflector

Spoiler for massive spoiler and select images and trans from chapter 60:

Shhuji and Hagu... what can I say. I worship Morita but I love Shuu-chan sensei.


*Shuuji telling Hagu to speak up about her feelings*
Hagu: "I'm scared... if I say them, I'm afraid i won't be able to stop them *her fears*."
Shuuji: "It's alright, just let it out (speak up)."


Rika has no idea what sort of man she gave up when she pushed Shuu away...


Hagu: "You're thinner..."
Morita: "... You too."
Hagu: "You surprised me, all of a sudden... have you still been visiting all sorts of places? Did you see alot of interesting things? Did you make alot of things? Did you accomplish alot?"


Hagu: "Please... just wait for me a little. I'll definitely be healed, and then... once more... once more I'll draw/paint alot of things, and then... and then i can show them to you..."
Morita: "... its alright. Dont draw any more, its okay even if you don't draw/paint."


Morita: "Things like you know longer have a meaning to live... don't say such rediculous things. Just keep on living and it will be okay, as long as we're together it will be okay. I too... that's all that I need (and it will be okay)."

i'm usually not so sappy, but my heart is beating and it dropped into my chest when i read morita's little monologue. absolutely beautiful. ;_;

thank you for translating it.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by aliensporebomb

Spoiler:

Rika and Mayama! Hagu and Morita! Ayu and Nomiya! Holy crap! Looks like Takemoto and Shuuji will have to get an old bachelors club going or something...

Spoiler for relationships:

But as far as I read it, none of those relationships is etched in stone. Rika and Mayama have separate bedrooms in Spain (though they definitely have done and probably still are sleeping together, at least sometimes). I can't be sure that Hagu will accept Morita's confession and live with him (nor that the relationship would last). And Ayu has still not accepted Nomiya as more than a friend.

What do other people think? Was Hagu's hand going to embrace him or push him away? I loved her look of intimate attention and wonder when he was telling her she didn't have to draw. She's never given Takemoto a look anything like that.

I'm hoping that Hagu accepts and becomes happier and more ebullient, and that having the pressure of feeling she has to be the great painter taken off her will allow her to actually become the great painter, after some wonderful trips with Morita (Paris, Florence, Rome). I'm hoping that Ayu will see the new couple and it will help her let go of Mayama and accept Nomiya's affection. I'm hoping that Takemoto will meet someone wonderful on the road. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Rika rediscover Shuuji after some problems with Mayama. Just a bias, but if one guy has to be left out, I'd rather it was Mayama.

Originally Posted by Yotsuba

omfg. i can't breathe.

My reaction exactly. Now I'm like: how can I wait another month? I'll be reading those pages over and over again.

[Cal-Reflector]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for relationships:

But as far as I read it, none of those relationships is etched in stone. Rika and Mayama have separate bedrooms in Spain (though they definitely have done and probably still are sleeping together, at least sometimes). I can't be sure that Hagu will accept Morita's confession and live with him (nor that the relationship would last). And Ayu has still not accepted Nomiya as more than a friend.

I'm hoping that Hagu accepts and becomes happier and more ebullient, and that having the pressure of feeling she has to be the great painter taken off her will allow her to actually become the great painter, after some wonderful trips with Morita. I'm hoping that Ayu will see the new couple and it will help her let go of Mayama and melt toward Nomiya. I'm hoping that Takemoto will meet someone wonderful on the road. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Rika rediscover Shuuji after some problems with Mayama. Just a bias, but if one guy has to be left out, I'd rather it was Mayama.

My reaction exactly. Now I'm like: how can I wait another month? I'll be reading those pages over and over again.

Spoiler for response:

Agreed, at LJ I was just saying the odds on how things might turn out... it could go three ways, all of them roughly equally likely; Hagu's response sets Morita-Hagu in stone, Hagu's response negative and next chapter seta Hagu-Takemoto in stone, Hagu's response inconclusive and the triangle remains largely intact. I really don't have a preference in this matter, only that Morita ends up happy, whatever form that happiness may come in, who knows?

Rika rediscovering Shuuji: Oh boy you know how much I wish that would be true but am afraid to hope... although going back to Nomiya's observation on Mayama's "Youth Suit," for him and Rika's relationship to conclude in a separation may be the best thing for him in the long run, to enable him to shed that "youth suit" and become... more like Nomiya, in a nutshell.

What's going to happen to Shuuji? As I mentioned before, should Hagu ever leave him, he'd become the loneliest person in the story (and already is). Out of all characters, the resolution for Shuuji is farthest away.

[Yotsuba]

Originally Posted by crisis

Spoiler:

I'm not sure if there's any reason for that, considering Takemoto is hardly out of the race himself. If anything, despite my utter bias for MoritaxHagu, I see Takemoto having a higher chance of 'winning', shall we say, and whether or not this particular chapter serves to advocate MoritaxHagu or just another stumbling block for Takemoto is up to question.

Takemoto's just so good for Hagu, that it'll be so easy for her if she ends up with him. But no matter how good of a person he is for her, it won't matter if Hagu doesn't love him; if she reciprocrates Morita's love, then it just shows that she picked him because of her feelings, and not 'the easy way out'. (Appalling choice of words, I know, but despite Takemoto being a sweetheart, where his relationship with Hagu is concerned, I'm having a tough time seeing Takemoto otherwise. )

Anyway... shall we take our discussion to the manga section now? Kaoru Chujo does have a point when she says we might be tempting fellow anime-viewers unnecessarily.

ALREADY THERE, COMRADE! & I agree with you.

Spoiler:

I think Takemoto will win, just because of the main character factor. That's why I want to rub this small victory in their faces!
Us poor Morita x Hagu shippers have finally won a battle after a long cold period.

As for Takemoto being better for her, he probably is. Morita wouldn't make for a stable husband or relationship. But she still likes him. She knows all his bad qualities and obviously still likes him. Takemoto has always been a sweetheart to her, and she doesn't feel the same, it seems. If she did, I think she would have accepted his confession earlier on in the series. Something was holding her back.

He wasn't able to get through to her like Morita could. It seems no one can. Morita and Hagu seem to have a strange sort of mind that only eachother can really understand, in my view. Maybe Morita left so that Takemoto could be with Hagu, but now he sees she isn't happy. And neither is he. So he's taking a different path than the one he had planned on?

[Grifis]

You know I was waiting, waiting for the day that Morita shows his true colors, the mature and dependable self that he is. It seems this is the beginning of it. I do hope it will be a consistent flow all the way through. It would be so lame if Takemoto wins by typical main character factor and inclination.

Spoiler:

And so the drama sets in and time of crisis is here. Hagu is injured and her confidence shaken. In this time of crisis, Morita has to speak the truth (that he can't deny) and shows his true self. Morita was not a good choice for her then but he is now (after the trip away) and should be for time to come. That is what I hope for.

I have all kinds of scenerios for the coming chapters and my favorite one would be them getting intimate physically and upgrade their relationship to the next level. The plot thickens...