2012-10-14, 08:29 | Link #1041 |
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Sounds like a nice theory. But I don't recall anyone in the manga stating such a thing to explain the cause of his zanpakuto's new appearance. Besides, I wonder how his bond with zangetsu could currently be destroyed since he's able to once again use zangetsu and all his special abilities.
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2012-10-14, 08:40 | Link #1042 |
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We're not sure if it's truly Zangetsu we're seeing. His Shinigami forms post-Fullbring were much different (though similar appearance-wise), and the "Getsuga Tenshou" we saw may not be the one Zangetsu granted to him, but rather a similar ability Ichigo "learned" after unlocking his Fullbringer potential.
My theory is that the abilities of Ichigo were unlocked by his exposure to Zangetsu through countless fights plus the base abilities of a Fullbringer. Basically, Ichigo "has Zangetsu despite not having Zangetsu". Maybe that's the "potential" that has him targeted by the Shitritters?
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2012-10-14, 11:24 | Link #1043 |
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So what you're essentially claiming is that Ichigo can now use zanpakuto related forms and abilties without the need for his zanpakuto spirit because he's currently just using fullbring as a base to manifest it all? In other words, Ichigo still hasn't really gained his shinigami powers back?
Well I suppose its possible. I admittedly have trouble believing that for a lot of reasons. But its also not something I feel up to debating. It'd probably be easier to just wait and see. |
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UGH. In the end, Kubo can't even give the strongest character a decent death, even though it was coming.
I've never, never NEVER read a series in which the author hates their side characters as much as Kubo does. Ichigo will save the day afterall, but not before having a hugeass breakdown since pretty much everyone he knows is either dead or near death. I'm seriously praying for Kubo to kill off someone I like just so I can legititamely drop this series for good. Only good thing is at least we get to see what Squad 0 looks like now....especially Hikifune. Otherwise, Kill this bitch already, WSJ. I think Kubo just wants it to end too. |
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2012-10-14, 19:52 | Link #1047 | |
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2012-10-15, 00:22 | Link #1048 |
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In the hands of a better writer, this ending to Yamamoto could have carried a lot more meaning/feeling. If you took the chapter out of its line-up and looked at in a void, it actually is rather well constructed. The problem is that in context its just abrupt and feels rather rushed, the strongest character in the series gets one shot. His struggling even in death in this chapter would have made a lot more sense if he'd struggled prior to said death but... that didn't happen. And the flashback while good, again in a void, needed more than what little was given to it. (Maybe will finally get to see Shunsui's bankai... and, this may just be me, but it really needs to be him who delivers the finishing blow on Bach. The old man is Shunsui's entire motivation in becoming who he is (and wasn't he said to have an an unique zanpakuto since there's two of them? Wouldn't surprise me if he and the other two-weapons captain weren't the special war potentials... or Unohana.) and Ichigo has as much connection this story as Chad and neither have any place killing Bach.)
Meh. I can't even figure out how stealing the old man's bankai of all things makes any sense. For the other captains I can sort of understand as they are usually weapons and take the form of weapons in some form or another (and usually only have one form and are not physically a part of the wielder or their history), but aside from the one sword form, his bankai is him. How would Bach use any of the other abilities aside from East/North (I don't even see how North is an aspect... all he does is cut, which he could do with East anyway)? The the other two (or at least his necromancy) are seemingly interlinked with the old man's own thousands of years of history, bloodshed, and regret. And it seems a little overly convenient that a man so intertwined with his weapon to the point where they form the weapon together, would so easily have his "other half" stolen. The only thing that would really salvage this into something sensible would be if Bach trying to use the Bankai ends up completely backfiring in the form of Yamamoto's spirit usurping control of it and killing him. Otherwise its just... stupid? It takes Yama who knows how many thousands of years and countless lives to become that fire demon, and Bach will just pop it out like a Power Ranger badge and gain all its powers? The heck?
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So, in the Zanpaktou rebellion arc, Muramasa was persuading each Zanpaktou to betray their owners based on the premise that each Zanpaktou felt their owner had a flaw that was holding them back. (Hitsugaya's sword didnt believe such a young/inexperienced person could be his master, Mastumoto's sword was so much like her they didn't get along, etc etc.) And when the Zanpaktou spirits left the blade, the whole swords lost their abilities. They were just objects. So, theoretically, it should be impossible to STEAL one aspect of the spirit dwelling within the swords. The Sternritter should either SEAL the swords of the users, or take all the powers that come wiht it...not just steal one form the blade can take...since that should be impossible...but w/e |
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2012-10-15, 21:32 | Link #1050 | |
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Sean Q did bring up a good point that the scene with Hitsugaya made it seem like his zanpakuto had totally lost its power and soul. So maybe when bankai is stolen, it does steal everything, and they only steal bankai because it's necessary to know the sword's full potential before taking its power. I guess the only other explanation is that the zanpakuto is stunned or unconscious right after its bankai is taken.
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2012-10-15, 21:37 | Link #1051 | ||
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If Ichigo's "power" is tantamount to Ichigo's "soul" and a specific part of his abilities were attached to a specific layer of his soul, then perhaps these Quincy's have used a similar basis of knowledge to develop their bankai stealing method. Consider this. We can at least all agree on the notion that a zanpakuto's abilities are born from and are connected to the soul of the shinigami. So with that said, what if we entertained the thought of all the key aspects that produce a shinigami's power being composed in layers within the soul? Would it really be so unbelievable within the context of this universe for a method to be developed which would allow for a specific layer of a soul to be extracted? |
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I'd rather see that, but instead will probably see Ichigo save the day - though i really cannot see how the hell his power alone can over come Quincy abilities AND Zanka No Tachi. Quote:
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2012-10-16, 14:30 | Link #1054 |
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I don't know why everyone assumes Ichigo will be able to just "save the day". Kubo has established some realism. Even when Ichigo fought against Aizen in Karakura, he was only able to make one hit only when Aizen had his guard down by being caught by surprise by Yamamoto's kido. He was only able to stand on equal footing when he attained the Final Gatsuga Tensho that Aizen basically allowed by destroying the cleaner.
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Don't see any realism in any of that =p
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2012-10-16, 16:29 | Link #1056 | ||
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Second Part: That scene with hitsugaya did screw up a lot in terms of how the power stealing is actually working, but then again, so did Yamamoto's terrible explanation on why his Bankai couldn't be stolen--which we found out he was wrong about not too long after. Quote:
Anyways, the power to just snatc one state of the zanpaktou without completely taking the spirit of the sword, or the shikai with it, is just silly. Especially since it's the final stage of the sword...one would think you couldn't use it without taking the first stage but eh. Or Hell, since the Quincy are master researchers and have lots of tecnology, as far as we know, they could have just been researching the captains thi whole time and founda way to mimic/copy the spirits and place said copies into other swords...so they'd have the bankais and whatnot of users--I'd buy that over what we got...but I digress. Back on topic though, I wonder where that Clown-esque Stern Ritter is. The one that we saw his/her shoes as they were commanding Mayuri's group to kill one another. And I'm still irked that the Mohawk guy was clearly burned up by Yamamoto, but appears in the most recent chapter alive and still in pretty good shape... must be an error |
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2012-10-16, 16:35 | Link #1057 | |
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2012-10-16, 16:52 | Link #1058 | ||
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Currently, no one has yet to claim anything similar about Yamamoto's reiatsu or anyone else for that matter. When Yama-jii powered up, people knew it because they can feel it. What this means is that Yama-jii's power (for as great as it was) still doesn't surpass that first dimension of power that almost everyone in this series has been confined to thus far. On the other hand, the potential strength of Ichigo's reiatsu does not just simply lie one dimension above everyone else, but two dimensions or more. So unless Kubo decides to somehow nerf the strength Ichigo had once obtained (perhaps through some kind of explanation or by completely ignoring the issue altogether), he should easily be able to destroy Juha Bach if he can regain the power from that final bankai form. Mugetsu doesn't seem neccessary. Last edited by sayde; 2012-10-16 at 18:19. |
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2012-10-16, 17:47 | Link #1059 |
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^well said. I hope kubo remembers these power dimensions as well. i'm actually surprised and a bit discouraged that yama-jii's bankai didn't put him at at least the second dimension where evolved aizen was at. it doesn't quite make sense and leads me to believe that kubo will not be consistent with that particularly cool aspect of reiatsu. it would have been sweet if yama-jii and juha bach could get to that level. as well as even shunsui, junshiro and unohana perhaps. even kisuke... but as cool as it would be, i doubt it will happen
me too... although i'm sure it will at some point, which means a smaller, denser series, like FMA. which also means the animators can take more time and perhaps bust out more episodes of the hisagi/findor quality which would be well worth waiting for =) |
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