2011-06-20, 12:15 | Link #1861 | |
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As for the rest of your post; Respect others views! We all have the right to say what's on our minds here, and if some one wants to hate a character in an anime so be it! I loved Shirley, and hated Rolo for what he did! But that doesn't mean I'm going to go out if my way bash a Shirley hater for his/her views!
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2011-06-20, 14:25 | Link #1862 |
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Actually, Rolo killed Shirley because she uttered the name of the person whose existence he wanted erased: Nunnally. Hence, he snapped and killed her. Let's not forget that he actually listened to her right before that.
As far as Shirley's death leading to the Zero Requiem, it was a factor, but not the only one. As of R2 16, for instance, Lelouch still looked to be well on track of fulfilling his initial plan of rescuing Nunnally and overthrowing Britannia with the announcement of the UFN formation. It was really 19 where things took a turn for the worse, with Nunnally's apparent demise, and last, but definitely not least, the Black Knights' betrayal, the latter caused by Schneizel's suspicious testimonies, and Ohgi's gullibility that led him, along with Villetta, in leading the charge against Lelouch. Note that right before the betrayal that Kallen's reappearance gave him a final wind before the Black Knights had their guns set on him. Now I don't normally refer people to fanfics, but I recommend checking out an ongoing one called Changing Course, a what if scenario where an OC saves him from the execution rather than Rolo, and helps reunite him with Nunnally right afterwards, pretty much averting the Zero Requiem, and instead leading into a meeting between the remaining Britannians and everyone remaining in the Black Knights and the UFN. |
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You're probably correct about the reasoning but I still stand by my premise. If Rolo hadn't killed Shirley, then Zero Requiem wouldn't have happened. (Yes, I know it's a 'fairy tale story ending', which is why I'd never happen.)
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2011-06-21, 22:47 | Link #1867 | |
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Needless to say, Shirley as Empress would have proved to be an interesting dynamic all in itself.
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2011-06-22, 00:13 | Link #1868 | |
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Besides if Rolo were not there and she wouldn't have died she would have died in another way later on in the series I grantee it cause she was always getting into everything. =/
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2011-06-22, 00:38 | Link #1869 |
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: C'mon, you're the Rolo fan here--you should be the last person I need to remind of that pathetic rag's character. Where it was had nothing to do with it--the one and only thing which 'caused Shirley's death was the delusional little shit's desire to erase anything to do with the name 'Nunally'. If Rolo had met Shirley at any other time or place, he would've tried to kill her there anyway. Since the 'suspected terrorists' you're talking about were the very Black Knights Shirley was trying to join, the only thing remotely dangerous about Shirley's course of action was that (as she had no way of knowing) there was a psychotic little murderer loose amongst their ranks.
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2011-06-22, 02:59 | Link #1870 | |
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As Sol said, it doesn't where it was, Rolo would've killed her all the same regardless of the location once she brought up Nunnally. Now as for her running into the building, was it smart? Well, no, not exactly, but she did it because she wanted to help Lelouch, and thus is indicative of the love and devotion she had for him. I mean, seriously, if a person drove out to the store to pick up something for a loved one but then was killed by a drunk driver in a traffic accident, would you say, "Well, it's their own darn fault." Oh yeah, and she would have died eventually because she was "getting into everything." What does that even mean? I think most of the rest of the cast of Code Geass were "getting into" a lot more than Shirley and most of them got off pretty well. Now let me just say this; you were correct earlier that this is not a Shirley lovers thread. In fact, that's the last thing I want this thread to turn into is some kind of hugbox where outside and negative opinions are not welcome. If you have a beef with Shirley, by all means, state it. But when you start spouting bullshit like this, I'm gonna call you out on it. |
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2011-06-22, 12:13 | Link #1871 |
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Exactly. This is pure Ron the Death Eater/Draco in Leather Pants territory right here.
Sol is right. If someone realized one of their loved ones was in a burning building and went in after them, would you call that person stupid? Most would lean towards hero. The only thing that led to her death was her unawareness towards Rolo's seething hatred of Nunnally. But I guess you've blocked that little detail out of your head. I know, because my last post to state as much was on this very page. You're free to like or hate whoever you want, but when it's for illogical, unfactual or even in some cases, downright petty reasons, be prepared to be called out on it. |
2011-06-22, 21:10 | Link #1872 | |
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Recall how he was obsessed over C.C. while Rolo was obsessed over Lelouch? Shirley was always in the middle of that desire. Thus, she gets killed. Although her death was a plot device for the Zero Requiem, which was the only unchanged part of the story. It was about getting to the end of the story as quickly as possible, like this plot technique: Last edited by darthfury78; 2011-09-30 at 01:17. |
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2011-06-22, 22:54 | Link #1873 | |
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And somehow I don't think they really reached that conclusion logically at all. The problem was putting a death sentence on Lelouch so soon in advance with no real plan. So much so that the leading circumstances, which also included Villetta once again being a selfish/shortsighted contrarian and Oghi being a nimrod, were first rate Wall Bangers, especially since those two received the most undisputedly happy ending of the series. |
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2011-06-29, 15:02 | Link #1875 | |
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That is why I feel that Code Geass R2 is a lot like the first season when compared alongside each other. Everything about the second season came too fast, too soon, like the Lelouch's death. Thus, the revised version of Code Geass R2 was about ending the life of Lelouch to bring about the vision that he had about a kind and peaceful society for his sister Nunnally. |
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2011-09-21, 23:23 | Link #1878 | |
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I thought Euphie's was in the chest while Shirley's was in the stomach....
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2011-09-22, 19:12 | Link #1879 |
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I'm not sure the actual spot was the same, but it was a gunshot either way. Shirley's death mirrored Euphie's death in other ways too though, one of the major ones being that they were both characters who were among the ones furthest from deserving what happened to them. Although Euphie's was a tragic accident on Lelouch's part and Shirley's was being murdered.
This has probably been said many times before, but Shirley died for wanting to help the man she loved...I really doubt the writers wanted anyone seeing that as a good thing. I mean opinions are opinions...but she never did anything to deserve that. I can't see how a girl that was willing to be strong and act out to help someone she loved was so awful. She acted on impulse going into that building and the first person she ran into shouldn't have been a threat to her since she was always kind to him. She had the best intentions in her mind...But we know how that ended, sadly. And, I did find Rolo's death sad. Not gonna lie. But I hated that he did that to her.
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