2012-11-21, 15:04 | Link #2721 | |
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Your criticisms are subjective. Literally criticism =/= mathematics. 2x2 can not equal 17. But just because you say a show has bad characters and such doesn't automatically make it true.
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2012-11-21, 15:10 | Link #2722 | |
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My objective criticism was like 2 or 3 pages ago. You, however, decided not to pay attention to it and stick to your "I'm from the parallel univerce, duh" motto. So be it.
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2012-11-21, 15:14 | Link #2723 |
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It's not math but it's not exactly subjective either. There are certain methods, structures, conventions and the like, to writing fiction. When your story fails on that department, well that's bad writing.
Now whether you like the story or not, that's completely subjective.
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If I suddenly said the exact opposite of what you just said there...would that suddenly make it true? No, it would just be my opinion. If I were ever to believe it anything more than that, then I'd be committing an Argument from Ignorance. Quote:
If I call something bad writing, I don't immediately go round saying it's objectively bad. What I'm saying is that I think it's bad writing.
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2012-11-21, 15:34 | Link #2725 | |
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What kind of audience this show was meant to captivate? Low-brow otaku jokes and references co-existed with what at least wanted to be serious theming. I don't get it. I'm not going to deny that at the inception some ideas were there, but none of them were realized properly and the whole thing feels rushed and not thought out. Last edited by Daniel Lind; 2012-11-21 at 15:50. |
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2012-11-21, 15:39 | Link #2726 | |
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2012-11-21, 15:42 | Link #2727 | |
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Most people on this thread have expressed a negative assessment on the series. You just seem like someone who can't take criticism to me... And yeah, the last part was an opinion.
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2012-11-21, 15:44 | Link #2728 | |
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Establishing some agreed upon criteria for evaluation a piece of fiction is what humans do. If you disagree with such a criteria, well nothing can be said there. However for a lot of people such a criteria is enough to point to a series as just bad. For example, if there is a glaring plot hole, that is something people will point to as strong evidence of shoddy writing. This backs up their opinion with substance and gives a convincing reason to believe them. You've certainly done better than most in trying to explain the better qualities of Eureka 7 Ao Haak, but still you haven't been terribly convincing in debunking many of the points people Konart laid out about the series. Simply saying you disagree and that all our assessments are subjective means little to nothing.
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2012-11-21, 15:45 | Link #2729 |
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this is going to be short and severely bittersweet.
This Eureka 7 AO train wreck nonesense never happened in my timeline of events. The entire staff who worked on this should bitch slap themselves for even releasing it. I will never recommend this series to anyone. There is one Eureka 7 series, that is all.
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2012-11-21, 15:57 | Link #2730 | |||
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Like I said before, the lack of dramatic tension was pretty much intended, since it's supposed to go for a more down to earth anti climactic feeling. Quote:
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But actually, if a lot of people just say something is a plot hole or that a plot hole is a significant factor, that doesn't automatically give such an opinion more credibility. It just means more people believe that.
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2012-11-21, 16:10 | Link #2733 | |
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Sure people spouting stuff about absolute truths or objectivity is without weight, but the main point was that you came into the thread and expressed that you enjoyed the show. Some people are obviously confused how you could for the reasons they laid out. Maybe they certainly could've been more respectful in approaching the discussion, but you also have to acknowledge that this is a forum thread for discussion, so your opinions will naturally be challenged by others.
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2012-11-21, 16:12 | Link #2734 | ||
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You may think they are half assed, but in a way that mood is something that I think captures reality also. You can't generalise the events of major things as a result of one or two major factors. It's generally a combination of loads and loads of factors and variables that produces political effects. Quote:
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Eh, not really. It introduced all those things, but as I said, didn't develop them in a meaningful, sometimes even consistent way. So the show can't be about, for example, a boy fighting prejudice and finding a place for himself in the world if he only does that for the first four episodes.
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2012-11-21, 16:41 | Link #2738 |
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I don't really consider a show with flimsy time travel premises thrown in about 3/4 of the way through and characters whose convictions personalities and goals flip flop faster that Mitt Romney at a debate to be steeped in intellectualism and realism but if that indeed was somehow the goal I don't think they could have possibly missed the mark more with me. I'm also not sure what about this show is supposed to be subtle. Subtle would be the last word I'd use to describe anything about this show post episode 3, what with characters like truth, chloe,elena, that japanese colonel and Joseph pretty much denying the show the subtle label outright. If anything I felt the show needed to tone things down a lot of the time. It wouldnt have helped the incomprehensible narrative problem but it would have helped make the cast a little more relatable.
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2012-11-21, 17:02 | Link #2740 | |
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Just wanted to point out something aside from what was just said above by Haak
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As an example to make it more clear. If you've seen the BBC Sherlock. There was an episode about The Hound of the Baskervilles. (will put it in a spoiler just in case) Spoiler for Sherlock:
Of course you might argue that it's not the same since you already know the story but to be honest it feels very similar. They were introduced to confuse the viewers and keep them guessing because they open a door to a lot of things that you'd expect to see next and you feel like you should. Again you might argue that that's pointless because you're just trying to make the story more interesting when it's actually the same since those things don't have that huge of an impact. But hey, everyone enjoys different things. On a side not I honestly felt that the show could have been so much more but I still enjoyed it a lot anyway. |
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