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Tempester · 2013-10-07, 20:42

Through solo-pubbing, today I managed to increase my Object 268's winrate to a whopping... 50%. It used to be 44% or something. I think I need to platoon tier 10s more.

Wild Goose · 2013-10-07, 22:09

Was looking over my stats... surprisingly, my T-28 has my best winrate at 6%. I'm also not sure how the hell that happened.

Kinda tempted to rebuy it for Tier 4 trolling, but then at the end of the day it's basically a worse T-34, and I already have a T-34. so the T-28 is kinda pointless.

Myssa Rei · 2013-10-07, 22:13

Tier 4 in general isn't worth staying at unles you really REALLY like the tank in question. For example, I sort of like the B1, despite its dinky gun, and obviously Matildas are keepers for those who have them.

Unless you have something with preferential MM like, oh, the Soviet Valentine.

Wild Goose · 2013-10-07, 23:06

Nah, it was just a random ideathought.

I'm keeping my Matilda, and that's pretty much the only T4 in my inventory. I do have a Panzer 38(t) nA that I'll need to grind out to get the Panzer IV though. Though to be honest I'm kinda not really down with the German tanks - Panzer III/IV and VK 30.02 (M) aside, I don't really like any of the German tanks I have.

Been playing recently on NA East... while I get ping and lag issues, on the other hand MM doesn't seem as drunk as NA West.

Also, hilariously, in less than a week I have ground out almost 10k free exp on the Matilda, lol.

Pen3 · 2013-10-08, 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempester

Tell me something I haven't known for the past 3/4 of a year, Sherlock. Ever since I got my first tier 8, I've been seeing those 183s get instantly vaporized on the battlefield. I've looked up topics on the TD extensively to determine whether I wanted it, and I've seen several people comment on how it's the ultimate arty bait. I actually knew what I was getting into when I bought the 183 and pressed the "battle" button.

Not really i survive almost half the games i played. It has the highest survival rate amongs all of my Tier X and IX besides JgTiger and i rarely camp with TD.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-10-08, 01:10

Tier 4 TDs are generally quite useable vehicles, though. I had very little trouble reaching Tier 5 very quickly with any of them (though I did skip the SAu 40 entirely).

The Pz38nA and A-20 (to a lesser extent the derpgun Stuart) would be okay if they had normal MM instead of Tier 8 scout MM. (With the decline of SPGs lately and the availability of higher-tier fast mediums and lights, which are as fast, have as good or better view ranges, have more HP, and tier-competitive armament, Tier 4 scouting in high-tier games is pointless—8.6 was the point where keeping my 38nA really got silly.)

The T-28 has some utility with its speed and the 57mm; it's just too big. The weird playstyle tanks like the AMX 40 and M3 Lee are just there to... annoy.

Wild Goose · 2013-10-08, 02:00

In short, barring some exceptions, Tier 4 is suffering. Though I think the Valentine and T-28 were the least suffering for me. I don't really consider the Matilda suffering though.

Matilda troll armor, bounces everything T4 and below (that's not a TD) until you run into a T5.

Drake · 2013-10-08, 08:20

Tier IV is quite comfortable when your mostly in tier III-IV games but when you start getting thrown into tier V-VI all the time its starts to feel like an uphill struggle.

I remember back when the Luchs was in tier III and it was an awesome tank and able to hold its own against anything up to tier 4 and in some cases tier V but when they moved it up a tier they pretty much killed it as you starting seeing tier VI often which meant that anything could pretty much 1 shot you.

I could probably count on 1 hand how many luchs I've seen ingame since they brought it up a tier...

TheFluff · 2013-10-08, 09:53

non-comprehensive list of awesome tier 4 tanks:
- The SU-85B shits out dps like crazy and works just as well against KV-1S's as it does against Matildas.
- The M8A1 does mostly the same thing but also goes really fucking fast, plus it has amazing view range and a turret
- The Pz.Sfl. IVb is a pretty good SPG
- The Hetzer is a hilariously gimmicky oneshot derp machine with the 10,5cm gun and a decent "serious" TD with the better 7,5cm one

I'd say the Matilda is also pretty awesome but while it's a monster in tier 4 games, it suffers badly from the KV-1S infestation that plauges tier 6 games and tends to get oneshotted unpleasantly often in such matchups, and it's too slow to get away.

Also, if you like scouting, can't go wrong with either the Luchs or the T-80. The latter is surprisingly durable (it has 350 HP, more than the Matilda) and gets a pretty funny peashooter of a gun that does like 50 damage per hit but has decent penetration as well as amazing accuracy and RoF. It's great at dealing with those obnoxious Pz I C's, their rounds just bounce on you while you can kill them really easily with a few well-placed hits.

Tempester · 2013-10-08, 10:08

Didn't know you played tonks, TheFluff. At first I thought I was in the wrong thread.

Blaat · 2013-10-08, 11:03

Yeah I thought I accidentally ended up in the fansub forum.

TheFluff · 2013-10-08, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempester

Didn't know you played tonks, TheFluff. At first I thought I was in the wrong thread.

playing tanks and posting about them on an anime forum I don't read very often are two different things

I just happened to be passing by, but I guess I'll leave this here for your enjoyment

YouTube

https://youtu.be/6dLP9bDSsq4

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bonus "topical" thing found in his other uploads:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/9keZaaAGBsE

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Silver-Throne · 2013-10-08, 11:22

Trolled 2 HTs(T1 Heavy and Kv-1) with my crusader today. When I killed those two heavies in one match, their reaction was quite hilarious : they(the players who I knocked out.) start calling me a noob after I killed them with this pattern: De-track, carousel, auto aim and fire, repeat the step 1 till they died done

Had a bad game with my Matilda because of this 'freevergame'(I`m gonna kill this player once I cross paths with that noob). That player is an afk, we were supposed to win if he only move early in the match BUT NO he later moved when we were like 4 of us left( 2(Matilda and AMX 40[duck?] on my team while the other is T40 and M3 Stuart). When he moved(I reported that piece of baka for being idle), he got killed because he has like 30 hp left. In the end, the damn t40 spotted me and landed a shot that ends the game. I got mad at him for being afk and he finally moved for how many minutes left, I swear if I meet that guy again Im gonna kill him whether he`s on my team or not.

There`s also a transfer to ASIA server, be wary of 'freevergame' in your matches if you ever transfer to Asia server (He`s a afk noob, he became my team mate for second time! ). That player is so much of a noob, I mean bots annoys me alot more.If only the training room is highly customizable : Where you can choose tanks and custom names, I`m gonna train there and blow some steam.

There was this thing I had done with my M3 Lee(Stupid left side part), the player and I started doing the 'Like a Boss' WOT style! All players in both teams were laughing

EDIT: Oh and one more thing, check his profile out. He sucks more than me(Check the sig below, it contains my WOT profile)

Here`s the afk noob`s profile : http://worldoftanks.asia/community/a...5-freevergame/

When I first take a look at it, he only played WOT 9/14/12. All I can say is that he sucks more than me [I mean compare it to mine]

Nightbat® · 2013-10-08, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunblade23

I swear if I meet that guy again Im gonna kill him whether he`s on my team or not.

"World of TK vengeance"

I commented on some losses with "I should have killed you myself" for the last tank (usually an out-of-role camper) to be holed a few times myself

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-10-08, 20:25

Rather than waste my hard-earned free XP, I actually got an M5A1 Stuart (but only a 75% crew) so that I could at least reach the Type T-34 on the Chinese line.

Matchmaker will give the first game at top tier, after that all bets are off. So of course the second game is a Tier 7 scouting job on Tundra (hey, better than Himmelsdorf, I suppose).

I knew this going in. I'm just expecting that the next 72 hours or so of expected grinding will be extremely bad for my performance ratings.

Kimidori · 2013-10-08, 21:40

what your WoT name, TheFluff?

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-10-08, 21:54

Speaking of the futility of Tier 4 scout MM, I just played a game of Siegfried Line where I took the M5A1 out across the field flank to scout. I received no spotting damage XP because even though I was slightly in front, the 59-16 that followed along with me had a better view range (we were both running coated optics) and got all of the tags.

LoweGear · 2013-10-08, 23:26

So new interface for 8.9, and a look at some future tanks:

BRUMMBAR

Also, why do we get the Panzer IV with complete Schurzen gear as a captured Soviet tank

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-10-09, 00:22

The Soviet PzIV is Tier 7????! Even the PzIV Schmalturm is only Tier 6... what does the T-4 come with, a 107mm cannon?

Also note next to it the apparent captured Soviet Panther.

Of course, with WG probably manipulating these leaks, it would be amusing to create misinformation.

Meanwhile... the M5A1 grind is not actually completely horrible; even without a 100% crew and my not bothering to get the top radio, I am already at 13000 XP. I got Defender once and Scout twice, and have managed to kill a whole bunch of SPGs.

I still don't want to do this ever again. Though after I unlock the Type T-34, I will have unlocked/own all of the Tier 5 regular tanks, only missing the Chaffee and the SPGs for America, Britain, France (the leFH18B2 doesn't count), and USSR.

Also, did anyone else's copy of the WoT Statistics program break itself on this update?

Sumeragi · 2013-10-09, 00:23

Those are placeholders. In fact, from what I know the Tier VI TD is named Sturmpanzer IV.

2013-10-07, 22:09	Link #10122
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Was looking over my stats... surprisingly, my T-28 has my best winrate at 6%. I'm also not sure how the hell that happened. Kinda tempted to rebuy it for Tier 4 trolling, but then at the end of the day it's basically a worse T-34, and I already have a T-34. so the T-28 is kinda pointless. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2013-10-07, 22:13	Link #10123
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Tier 4 in general isn't worth staying at unles you really REALLY like the tank in question. For example, I sort of like the B1, despite its dinky gun, and obviously Matildas are keepers for those who have them. Unless you have something with preferential MM like, oh, the Soviet Valentine. __________________

2013-10-07, 23:06	Link #10124
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Nah, it was just a random ideathought. I'm keeping my Matilda, and that's pretty much the only T4 in my inventory. I do have a Panzer 38(t) nA that I'll need to grind out to get the Panzer IV though. Though to be honest I'm kinda not really down with the German tanks - Panzer III/IV and VK 30.02 (M) aside, I don't really like any of the German tanks I have. Been playing recently on NA East... while I get ping and lag issues, on the other hand MM doesn't seem as drunk as NA West. Also, hilariously, in less than a week I have ground out almost 10k free exp on the Matilda, lol. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2013-10-08, 02:00	Link #10127
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	In short, barring some exceptions, Tier 4 is suffering. Though I think the Valentine and T-28 were the least suffering for me. I don't really consider the Matilda suffering though. Matilda troll armor, bounces everything T4 and below (that's not a TD) until you run into a T5. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2013-10-08, 08:20	Link #10128
Drake dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern Ireland	Tier IV is quite comfortable when your mostly in tier III-IV games but when you start getting thrown into tier V-VI all the time its starts to feel like an uphill struggle. I remember back when the Luchs was in tier III and it was an awesome tank and able to hold its own against anything up to tier 4 and in some cases tier V but when they moved it up a tier they pretty much killed it as you starting seeing tier VI often which meant that anything could pretty much 1 shot you. I could probably count on 1 hand how many luchs I've seen ingame since they brought it up a tier... __________________

2013-10-07, 20:42	Link #10121
Tempester Japanese Culture Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Planet Earth Age: 33	Through solo-pubbing, today I managed to increase my Object 268's winrate to a whopping... 50%. It used to be 44% or something. I think I need to platoon tier 10s more.

2013-10-08, 01:10	Link #10126
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Tier 4 TDs are generally quite useable vehicles, though. I had very little trouble reaching Tier 5 very quickly with any of them (though I did skip the SAu 40 entirely). The Pz38nA and A-20 (to a lesser extent the derpgun Stuart) would be okay if they had normal MM instead of Tier 8 scout MM. (With the decline of SPGs lately and the availability of higher-tier fast mediums and lights, which are as fast, have as good or better view ranges, have more HP, and tier-competitive armament, Tier 4 scouting in high-tier games is pointless—8.6 was the point where keeping my 38nA really got silly.) The T-28 has some utility with its speed and the 57mm; it's just too big. The weird playstyle tanks like the AMX 40 and M3 Lee are just there to... annoy.

2013-10-08, 09:53	Link #10129
TheFluff Excessively jovial fellow Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ISDB-T Age: 37	non-comprehensive list of awesome tier 4 tanks: - The SU-85B shits out dps like crazy and works just as well against KV-1S's as it does against Matildas. - The M8A1 does mostly the same thing but also goes really fucking fast, plus it has amazing view range and a turret - The Pz.Sfl. IVb is a pretty good SPG - The Hetzer is a hilariously gimmicky oneshot derp machine with the 10,5cm gun and a decent "serious" TD with the better 7,5cm one I'd say the Matilda is also pretty awesome but while it's a monster in tier 4 games, it suffers badly from the KV-1S infestation that plauges tier 6 games and tends to get oneshotted unpleasantly often in such matchups, and it's too slow to get away. Also, if you like scouting, can't go wrong with either the Luchs or the T-80. The latter is surprisingly durable (it has 350 HP, more than the Matilda) and gets a pretty funny peashooter of a gun that does like 50 damage per hit but has decent penetration as well as amazing accuracy and RoF. It's great at dealing with those obnoxious Pz I C's, their rounds just bounce on you while you can kill them really easily with a few well-placed hits. __________________ \| ffmpegsource 17:43:13 <~deculture> Also, TheFluff, you are so fucking slowpoke.jpg that people think we dropped the DVD's. 17:43:16 <~deculture> nice job, fag! 01:04:41 < Plorkyeran> it was annoying to typeset so it should be annoying to read

2013-10-08, 10:08	Link #10130
Tempester Japanese Culture Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Planet Earth Age: 33	Didn't know you played tonks, TheFluff. At first I thought I was in the wrong thread.

2013-10-08, 11:03	Link #10131
Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Yeah I thought I accidentally ended up in the fansub forum. __________________ MyAnimeList

2013-10-08, 11:22	Link #10133
Silver-Throne Big Game Author Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Exclusively Inside Your Mind.	Trolled 2 HTs(T1 Heavy and Kv-1) with my crusader today. When I killed those two heavies in one match, their reaction was quite hilarious : they(the players who I knocked out.) start calling me a noob after I killed them with this pattern: De-track, carousel, auto aim and fire, repeat the step 1 till they died done Had a bad game with my Matilda because of this 'freevergame'(I`m gonna kill this player once I cross paths with that noob). That player is an afk, we were supposed to win if he only move early in the match BUT NO he later moved when we were like 4 of us left( 2(Matilda and AMX 40[duck?] on my team while the other is T40 and M3 Stuart). When he moved(I reported that piece of baka for being idle), he got killed because he has like 30 hp left. In the end, the damn t40 spotted me and landed a shot that ends the game. I got mad at him for being afk and he finally moved for how many minutes left, I swear if I meet that guy again Im gonna kill him whether he`s on my team or not. There`s also a transfer to ASIA server, be wary of 'freevergame' in your matches if you ever transfer to Asia server (He`s a afk noob, he became my team mate for second time! ). That player is so much of a noob, I mean bots annoys me alot more.If only the training room is highly customizable : Where you can choose tanks and custom names, I`m gonna train there and blow some steam. There was this thing I had done with my M3 Lee(Stupid left side part), the player and I started doing the 'Like a Boss' WOT style! All players in both teams were laughing EDIT: Oh and one more thing, check his profile out. He sucks more than me(Check the sig below, it contains my WOT profile) Here`s the afk noob`s profile : http://worldoftanks.asia/community/a...5-freevergame/ When I first take a look at it, he only played WOT 9/14/12. All I can say is that he sucks more than me [I mean compare it to mine] __________________ Deviant Art Fanfiction.net Profile WOT SEA Last edited by Silver-Throne; 2013-10-08 at 11:32.

2013-10-08, 20:25	Link #10135
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Rather than waste my hard-earned free XP, I actually got an M5A1 Stuart (but only a 75% crew) so that I could at least reach the Type T-34 on the Chinese line. Matchmaker will give the first game at top tier, after that all bets are off. So of course the second game is a Tier 7 scouting job on Tundra (hey, better than Himmelsdorf, I suppose). I knew this going in. I'm just expecting that the next 72 hours or so of expected grinding will be extremely bad for my performance ratings.

2013-10-08, 21:40	Link #10136
Kimidori The Opened Ultimate Gate Join Date: Dec 2011 Age: 29	what your WoT name, TheFluff? __________________

2013-10-08, 21:54	Link #10137
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Speaking of the futility of Tier 4 scout MM, I just played a game of Siegfried Line where I took the M5A1 out across the field flank to scout. I received no spotting damage XP because even though I was slightly in front, the 59-16 that followed along with me had a better view range (we were both running coated optics) and got all of the tags.

2013-10-08, 23:26	Link #10138
LoweGear Secret Society BLANKET Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco	So new interface for 8.9, and a look at some future tanks: BRUMMBAR Also, why do we get the Panzer IV with complete Schurzen gear as a captured Soviet tank __________________ Against all the evil that hell can conjure, all wickedness that mankind can produce... We will send unto them, only you.

2013-10-09, 00:22	Link #10139
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	The Soviet PzIV is Tier 7????! Even the PzIV Schmalturm is only Tier 6... what does the T-4 come with, a 107mm cannon? Also note next to it the apparent captured Soviet Panther. Of course, with WG probably manipulating these leaks, it would be amusing to create misinformation. Meanwhile... the M5A1 grind is not actually completely horrible; even without a 100% crew and my not bothering to get the top radio, I am already at 13000 XP. I got Defender once and Scout twice, and have managed to kill a whole bunch of SPGs. I still don't want to do this ever again. Though after I unlock the Type T-34, I will have unlocked/own all of the Tier 5 regular tanks, only missing the Chaffee and the SPGs for America, Britain, France (the leFH18B2 doesn't count), and USSR. Also, did anyone else's copy of the WoT Statistics program break itself on this update?

2013-10-09, 00:23	Link #10140
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Those are placeholders. In fact, from what I know the Tier VI TD is named Sturmpanzer IV.