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2010-06-02, 11:02 | Link #7623 |
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Stuck blade stalls BP effort to cap well
Looks like BP is having further trouble with their plan, thus becoming a lost cause.... This probably means more raeg against BP as the oil further reach the shores of beaches...
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2010-06-02, 11:07 | Link #7624 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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My idea is to insert a weighted giant "condom" with its front clipped off, tie the clipped part to the pipe, then float the "condom" so it looks like a funnel. Then we can run vacuum pumps from ships or onshore facilities to pump the oil away, and have onsite pumps to pump water out of the funnel to accommodate the oil gushing out.
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2010-06-02, 11:11 | Link #7625 | |
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2010-06-02, 11:53 | Link #7627 |
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Not to mention that personal bankruptcies were "reformed" a few years ago so that consumers couldn't actually get a chance to start over (unlike "the big boys").
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2010-06-02, 12:55 | Link #7628 | |
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Location: Fürth (GER)
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I am not sure, but maybe they should just use a giant load of thermite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite) and seal this oil well with it. The oil that is coming out while the thermit is burning, will just burn/evaporate. The chemical reaction does not need air-oxygen to go on... Fe2O3 + 2Al -->→ 2Fe + Al2O3 + heat. But maybe its too dangerous... I don't know... "Although thermite is used to for welding underwater, in a haphazard ignition of thermite underwater, the molten iron produced will extract oxygen from water and generate hydrogen gas in a single-replacement reaction. This gas may, in turn, burn by combining with oxygen in the air." Maybe this part explains, why a large amount of that stuff could be dangerous for ships above and the surrounding region in general.
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2010-06-02, 13:55 | Link #7629 | |
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The thermite idea could be useful if it is supplied at a sustained rate rather than just dumping the whole lot at one time, by sealing area of the pipehole bit by bit. If it does extract oxygen from the water, it would be insufficient to start a fuel-air explosion because the hydrogen will react with the other gases, such as carbon dioxide under the high pressure in the area of the water. Besides the coldness and the higher water pressure at the depth may allow a faster entrophic reaction to conduct away the heat from the area, plus at that depth, the oxygen which floated up to the air surface may have been much less hot to react with the surface gases. I would suggest they plug it with hydraulic concrete first down the pipe before the welding operation. This should take 2 weeks to one month to complete, but the pressure buildup of the oil inside the pipe could rupture a lower part of the pipe.
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2010-06-02, 14:40 | Link #7630 | ||
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Maybe they could just fill the whole pipe with the iron up to 100m deep. Something like a heat resistent injection needle would be needed (some device that withstands 2500°C and is thinner then the pipe itself).
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2010-06-02, 14:58 | Link #7631 | |
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As far as I understand, their plan is to drill another hole and start pumping the oil instead of trying to seal that mouth. The argument is that the rate of expulsion slows down from that mouth. What they are not talking about is the risk of another failure which got us into this mess to begin with. The risk is higher this time around since the hurricane season is upon us. Even then we are looking at another two months before such plan can materialize. I also wonder how the tar will affect the rain in that region. There will be some crazy chemicals in those moisture and I'm sure it won't be unusual too see sporadic acid rain here and there with the right kind of mix.
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2010-06-02, 17:43 | Link #7633 | |
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Though I do agree with you that it wasn't just the fault of the lending firms. Everyone had a hand in causing this, from the government failing to put proper regulations in place or even adequately enforce the ones that were there, to the companies that attempted game the system by treating bad debt as a commodity among many many other things, to the consumers who attempted to live far beyond their means by buying everything on credit. The only question is how much of the blame each party has. I put the majority of it on the financial companies and their putting short term profit over long term sustainability.
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2010-06-02, 17:44 | Link #7634 | ||
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The hydrogen should already be in their ionised form of H+ when released from the water and ionically attracted to the anions in the solution itself. Even if it does form H2 bonds, the entropy effect will reduce the saturation upon reaching the surface, combined with the idea chemical equilibrium as it travels from a higher to lower pressure, the amount escaping at sea level should be minimal. Unless a whole lot of thermite is dumped and used at the same time. Then again, the volume of surrounding water at that point should be more than enough to channel away the heat. Quote:
The reason why crude oil floats is due to the pre-distillation density being being very much lower than that of the ocean's water (which isn't very pure in the first place, thus higher density due to impurities). During the fractional distillation process, tar and bitumen sink to the bottom of the tank as they are significantly denser than the other derivatives.
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2010-06-02, 18:11 | Link #7635 | |
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Now, who exactly in this situation comes off a dumber? The guy offering a million dollar loan to a homeless drunk, or the homeless drunk accepting a million dollar loan? If all these buisness people are going to walk around congratulating each other about how smart they are, then they sure as hell better hold themselves to a higher standard than the people they're "supposedly" smarter than. |
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2010-06-02, 18:13 | Link #7636 | |
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2010-06-03, 02:09 | Link #7638 | |
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2010-06-03, 03:01 | Link #7639 | ||
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Should have taken some cues from how my mom convinced me to clean my room: if I didn't clean it, she would. Which means I would have no clue where anything was afterwards. (Yeah, I keep things pretty clean now. Although that's also because I like to keep things classy... or at least as classy as you can make a room with two life sized catgirl wallscrolls.)
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2010-06-03, 03:02 | Link #7640 |
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Apple boss defends conditions at iPhone factory
Hmm, i am not sure it was all suicide. 13 "suicides" this year already? |
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