2012-05-06, 16:08 | Link #21281 | |
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Hollande is more ambitious and blatant about that spending thing. |
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2012-05-06, 16:18 | Link #21282 |
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Maybe Germany should do that, too. Print as much money as possible and build lots of infrastructure. New power plants, fiber optics in every household, 10 lane Autobahns and a Transrapid network. When the card house finally collapses, Germany wouldn't then sit on useless paper. Through all those guarantees Germany has tied its fate to that of Europe, so it will not be able to avoid being dragged into bankruptcy. Every little Euro country is now able to extort even more money from it.
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2012-05-06, 16:23 | Link #21284 |
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Are you implying that others euro countries print as much money as possible?
Well whatever, Germany has good export balance with EU, and for the time being it wins from this, the moment they won't win anymore, there will be change, and it's very understandable. |
2012-05-06, 16:28 | Link #21285 |
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The PIIGS and France have control over the ECB, which is printing money illegally. For example they now give credits with only 1% interest and accept Portuguese bonds which are dated to the year 9999 as "collateral". Spain and Italy are using similar tricks to refinance themselves and their banks. Otherwise all of the southern nations would've been insolvent already.
The money that Germany has to put in to save e.g. Greece is totally out of relation to what Germany exports to them. Greece only imports goods worth about 6 Bn Euro annually from Germany - or rather did, before their recession. |
2012-05-06, 16:40 | Link #21286 | |
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If they pay with money they do not have in the first place, then in the end we will both lose our exported goods and sit on a pile of worthless debts, that will never get payed back, while everyone else just defaults. We have the same problem with the US already, who will also never pay back on their negative import/export balance. A positive export balance is hailed as the holy grail of capitalism for some reason, but it does nothing good for quality of living in the country. |
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2012-05-06, 17:04 | Link #21287 | |
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Healthy government finances is one thing, but at the moment in Europe it seems like a race to the bottom on whoever can cut it's social spending the most. |
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2012-05-06, 19:07 | Link #21288 | |
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2012-05-06, 19:37 | Link #21290 |
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I'm an American so I have a skewed perspective, but I still don't see why Sarko was so villified.
Frankly, some of his economic reforms he proposed did seem like they were long overdue for France. It's a wealthy powerful country yet still has some stodgy labor laws. Holland seems to want stimulus on steroids, which is understandable in theory but probably wont be very good for the country's balance sheet. I'm pretty sure he will have to tone it down somewhat once he has to deal with the Berlin Bigwigs though. As for Greece what can I tell you? Is there anyone here who thinks Greece can "go it alone" like some of those fringe parties are harping about. |
2012-05-06, 19:39 | Link #21291 |
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Nothing much, tax revenue will go up a bit, that's about it. A 75% tax-rate on annual income over 1 million euro isn't going to affect many people. The US in the post-WWII era until Reagan had at times tax-rates of 90% on income over $300k.
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2012-05-06, 19:45 | Link #21292 |
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Um, history assignment -- that simply doesn't happen. During the Eisenhower period, top tax rates were 90% and it was the largest expansion of wealth, expansion of the middle class, improvement in quality of life - ever seen in the US. Nearly everyone's boat rose.
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2012-05-06, 20:01 | Link #21293 |
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Problem is that the 1950's was when all the repressed consumerism exploded, leading to that expansion. You cannot compare that time with the rampant greed in modern days. Furthermore, in today's fast transactions, one can easily move wealth outside to tax havens. Simply, anyone who points to the 1950's to say high taxes are good need to get a reality check.
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2012-05-06, 21:02 | Link #21294 | |
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2012-05-06, 22:00 | Link #21295 |
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Such checks are what largely inhibited growth of the economy. It's a double-edged sword: Do you get more money of a potentially slower growing and possibly reducing pie, or do you collect less money from a faster growing pie?
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2012-05-06, 23:05 | Link #21298 |
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The pie isn't growing faster for everyone in the latter scenario... its only growing for the .01%. Lets not fall into the "job creator" mythology...
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2012-05-07, 00:08 | Link #21300 | |
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Why Sarkozy was hated? Men, I don't know what to tell you, when you say African people have no history, all civilisations aren't equals, playing with fire and racism, saying gtfo to Europe after 5 years of being a "pro europe" simply to get reelected, purposely lie in front of 17millions people watching you, not only you lose the few honor left but also the election seems like. |
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