Aquarion EVOL - generic discussion thread

[Pocari_Sweat]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

I can not wait for kawamori to begin his trolling of viewers.

I can't wait till Okada trolls all the shippers, whilst Kawamori does his directing magic to continue to make the series pretty (and spam it with music, Macross style )

[DragoonKain3]

Originally Posted by DemiSoda

I rather it does. Me likes delicious relationship trolling

I concur, as I love how Okada does it. Okada doesn't nearly do it often enough, but then again the ones she doesn't do it are when it's not an anime original.

[Hyack]

Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

I'm just a REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY HORNY female with a 2-D complex and a thing for brash, rude, cocky, trash-talking, brutish orange haired and VERY male characters in black with a short temper

My bad, I forgot that girls whos watch anime also appear in forums.

Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

I just think we have different ideas of what a "good moment" is. For example

I guess so.

Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

and my idea of a good moment is, one where bad ass character makes bad ass entry, establishes that he is the man, in front of the other dude, making him look like a sucka, snatching up woman and declares her his right in front of the other dude she was jus having a romantic moment with, and then licking her, and telling her in a sexy voice "she smells delicious" which effected her libido and she got so hot, she hit the ground

I do agree with a good moment is when the bad ass character makes his entrance in the show, but with a good moment of a bad ass character I mean destorying stuff or something like that (not ruining the "almost" love moment)

Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

Like Pierre said in the OS..." Oi Oi saying no while liking it eh?" (the red areas were spreading to their genitals)

Didn't watch the Aquarion Genesis, not really a big deal right? Atleast I read that somewhere..

[Zaresh]

Originally Posted by KRegnard

I watched Sousei no Aquarion's movie, now I'm completely lost. Is Aquarion Evol the sequel for the original TV series or the movie, or both of them (if I've interpreted the movie correctly)?

It's a sequel, but currently we are not sure if it's a sequel for the OVAs (the movie was like the OVAs) of for the OS. Or for both. Or for neither of them and it's an AC.

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by Zaresh

It's a sequel, but currently we are not sure if it's a sequel for the OVAs (the movie was like the OVAs) of for the OS. Or for both. Or for neither of them and it's an AC.

Zaresh is absolutely correct. The 'movie' scene at the start is from the final ep of the OS... but aside from that there's nothing obvious linking the show to the OVA or the OS ending. By which I mean, nothing that says "Oh yes, this is a sequel to that exact ending."

But as has been said many times before you don't need to see either. The OS didn't do that well, so forcing new viewers to see the old one would mean the sequel would flop right out of the gate.

You'll miss out on the reincarnation chatter happening in this thread, but that's just folks being excited about the new series and talking so you can safely ignore it.

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by miketyson

Triple_R: the "overlapping triangles" construct also harkens back to Escaflowne, which wikipedia tells me was another Kawamori creation (lol). It was a similar deal: Hitomi and Van are the leads, and the triangles looked like Van-Hitomi-Allen and Hitomi-Van-Merle. That sure kept things in a holding pattern.

And don't forget Hitomi-Allen-Millerna. Double deadlock. Poor Hitomi.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Ooh~ source?

4chan, which I think got it from 2ch, which got it from magazines.

There was also another interview with Okada in Japanese:

Spoiler for interview with Okada:

岡田
いかに真剣になれるかが勝負
ギャグにしてもうやむやにするのではなく叫びきる振り切った感じは大切に

しようと
だからキャラクターたちにバカなことをやらせようと思わないで書いてる
アクエリの良さはカオス感
7話以降はネオディーヴァにエレメント能力者たちがそろい
アルテア軍との戦いは激化
1万二千年前に端を発した物語の真実が明らかになろうとしている

ここまでテンション高く維持しているんですが
1クール終盤の盛り上りに向けてさらにグッとくる流れになる
インパクトある新キャラも登場し、個性豊かなメンツが揃って
学園部分も楽しい雰囲気なんですけど、やっぱりこの物語は戦いなんです
アマタたちがどう挑んでいくか見ていただければ

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

She 'not into him that way'. She just lusts after him so much it filled up the sensor back at base and shocked her into unconsciousness.

There's something called the suspension bridge effect. It's a mental effect that confuses the feeling of being scared with Love. mentally fear has similar effects to the body as love. They even explained that the bands they gave them measure heart rate, pulse, and body perspiration; not necessarily love. The bands can only interpret the body responses and to assume that what they are feeling is love but fear would generate a similar response.

That's likely why they first unlocked the bands when the attack started. It's bound to work up the body and get the heart and pulse beating quickly. which could cause the bands to go off at the worst times.

Originally Posted by Zaresh

It's a sequel, but currently we are not sure if it's a sequel for the OVAs (the movie was like the OVAs) of for the OS. Or for both. Or for neither of them and it's an AC.

Something i personally think is that the 2 worlds shown in EVOL are the OVA world and the TV world.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

There's something called the suspension bridge effect. It's a mental effect that confuses the feeling of being scared with Love. mentally fear has similar effects to the body as love. They even explained that the bands they gave them measure heart rate, pulse, and body perspiration; not necessarily love. The bands can only interpret the body responses and to assume that what they are feeling is love but fear would generate a similar response.

That's likely why they first unlocked the bands when the attack started. It's bound to work up the body and get the heart and pulse beating quickly. which could cause the bands to go off at the worst times.

I thought that was obvious to everyone, was it it not?

[evil|plushie]

So you guys are saying it's not impossible she's highly in lust with Kagura right.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

BTW, my OTP is Kagura x Zessica.

I get the feeling they would have wild, crazy sex together. ...Yeah I said it >=03.

[Zaresh]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Something i personally think is that the 2 worlds shown in EVOL are the OVA world and the TV world.

I'm not really sure. I realized both "earths" are geologycally different. Vega has an asteroid belt, while Altair doesn't has one. And technology from both planets are pretty different too. I... can't say how is this going to end. We can't drop the space colonization theory yet, I guess. And that means we can't stop thinking Vega and Altair are both from the same universe.

[evil|plushie]

Originally Posted by frubam

I get the feeling they would have wild, crazy sex together. ...Yeah I said it >=03.

if they ever gattaied together, their passion would probably end up destroying the world....again.

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Something i personally think is that the 2 worlds shown in EVOL are the OVA world and the TV world.

The only problem there is we're dealing, potentially, with four separate worlds. The OS Earth, and the OS Shadow Angel world. And the OVA Earth and the OVA Shadow Angel world.

The OS Earth should be empty, in theory. I've always believed humanity 'switched' worlds at the end of the OS. After all, pretty much everyone is already on the shadow angel world at that time. Whether that's germane to the topic at hand is a moot point I guess, since we really don't know enough about the Shadow Angel world. The OS Shadow Angel world should be a reborn paradise, of sorts, since the tree of life was repaired. The OS Earth, aside from being mostly empty, should be able to recover on it's own.

I'd have to go back to the OVA again, but the OVA Earth was a frozen wasteland that was reformed, and in theory re-populated Adam and Eve style by Apollo, Silvia and Reika (as the ultimate third wheel). I assume the OVA Shadow Angel world was a frozen over wasteland.

In both cases, one world should be a paradise due to the forming of a new tree of life / Earth Revival attack and the other likely abandoned?

On topic though the OVA world, in theory with events occurring 12,000 years earlier would certainly be more technically advanced / populated... in theory.

Originally Posted by Zaresh

I'm not really sure. I realized both "earths" are geologically different. Vega has an asteroid belt, while Altair doesn't has one. And technology from both planets are pretty different too. I... can't say how is this going to end. We can't drop the space colonization theory yet, I guess. And that means we can't stop thinking Vega and Altair are both from the same universe.

Technically the Three Fortunes (from the back at least) look an awful lot like a moon, so it's possible something pretty terrible happened... although they still have their moon (at least it's shown in the OP). The other world also has a moon, but everything is tinted a very nasty red. Also, both sides have been pretty definite about the whole different dimension thing, no?

Sadly we don't know how over-populated the Abductor world is... but it's VERY built up with buildings everywhere.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Zaresh

I'm not really sure. I realized both "earths" are geologycally different. Vega has an asteroid belt, while Altair doesn't has one. And technology from both planets are pretty different too. I... can't say how is this going to end. We can't drop the space colonization theory yet, I guess. And that means we can't stop thinking Vega and Altair are both from the same universe.

not necessarily. The split between the OVA and TV series happened anywhere from 12000 to 24000 years before EVOL. technology in our world has advanced drastically in only the last 200- 300 years. The 2 worlds could've gone down drastically different paths given their own circumstances. The Abductors world could've been filled with a lot of strife and war during that time while Amata's world could've been nothing but at peace. A LOT could have happened in 12000 years.

[Zaresh]

Originally Posted by Adigard

The only problem there is we're dealing, potentially, with four separate worlds. The OS Earth, and the OS Shadow Angel world. And the OVA Earth and the OVA Shadow Angel world.

The OS Earth should be empty, in theory. I've always believed humanity 'switched' worlds at the end of the OS. After all, pretty much everyone is already on the shadow angel world at that time. Whether that's germane to the topic at hand is a moot point I guess, since we really don't know enough about the Shadow Angel world. The OS Shadow Angel world should be a reborn paradise, of sorts, since the tree of life was repaired. The OS Earth, aside from being mostly empty, should be able to recover on it's own.

I'd have to go back to the OVA again, but the OVA Earth was a frozen wasteland that was reformed, and in theory re-populated Adam and Eve style by Apollo, Silvia and Reika (as the ultimate third wheel). I assume the OVA Shadow Angel world was a frozen over wasteland.

In both cases, one world should be a paradise due to the forming of a new tree of life / Earth Revival attack and the other likely abandoned?

On topic though the OVA world, in theory with events occurring 12,000 years earlier would certainly be more technically advanced / populated... in theory.



Technically the Three Fortunes (from the back at least) look an awful lot like a moon, so it's possible something pretty terrible happened... although they still have their moon (at least it's shown in the OP). The other world also has a moon, but everything is tinted a very nasty red. Also, both sides have been pretty definite about the whole different dimension thing, no?

Sadly we don't know how over-populated the Abductor world is... but it's VERY built up with buildings everywhere.

Those nice asteroids are near, really near. I can see they being a massive object that was captured by the planet and crushed because it fall to a non-lagrangian point. But I guess that's too serious for Aquairion and is something else (or it was just cool to have an asteroid belt and they put it there ).

I think that "Vega > Earth from OS" and "Altair > Shadow Angels world from OS" It's a lot possible, at least as much as "Vega > SO" and "Altar > OVA". And it would explain a lot of things. And, oh, they used that shadow angels world music track from the ost of Genesis of Aquarion when they showed Altair last episode, can be a hint. But right now they all are just pure speculation.

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

not necessarily. The split between the OVA and TV series happened anywhere from 12000 to 24000 years before EVOL. technology in our world has advanced drastically in only the last 200- 300 years. The 2 worlds could've gone down drastically different paths given their own circumstances. The Abductors world could've been filled with a lot of strife and war during that time while Amata's world could've been nothing but at peace. A LOT could have happened in 12000 years.

I don't know, their technology was not only more advanced, but really different. ¡Ah! I've just remembered that they have too different writing systems. That's something fiction usually don't make different even if they're talking about alternative universes. I don't know, really. It can be and It cant. I guess when we are around episode 10-12 or so, we will know for sure.

[Vena]

Originally Posted by frubam

I get the feeling they would have wild, crazy sex together. ...Yeah I said it >=03.

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

if they ever gattaied together, their passion would probably end up destroying the world....again.

I have this deep down feeling that Mix would be wilder, especially with someone like Kagura. Just imagine the explosion if Mix gattaied with Kagura.

I want to see Mix's reaction to being told she smells deliciously.

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Vena

Let's just hope this doesn't turn into True Tears.

Mikono is the reincarnation of Hiromi
Zessica is the reincarnation of Noe

[Shinji103]

Peeling back from the current topic for a little here (though for the record, I'm AmataxMikono all the way and, at least Kawamori didn't troll the shippers in Macross Zero and Frontier), I would personally prefer if Kawamori defied the cookie-cutter plot-setup of the damsel in distress scenario. One such uncommon scenario he could use:

Instead of the damsel in distress where Mikono is captured, he could instead have a later-series scenario where something happens to Amata that throws Mikono into a rage and causes her Element power to awaken, giving her the ability to initiate Sousei Gattai as well. She becomes the head of Aquarion Evol in Amata's absence and goes on a growingly self-destructive path of revenge against the Abductors, and is saved by Amata by series' end. It would be a very interesting turn given her starting-off weak-wiled personality. And there's plenty of time to set up Mikono as a stronger character. (which should come either way as her character development )

Unfortunately, the chances of this happening are nigh nonexistent. Almost no mecha series that's popular or takes itself seriously puts a female as any form of good pilot; the only real ground-shattering female pilot ever, in terms of plot, character, or even just skill, was Haman Khan in Zeta Gundam, and some will say her awesomeness got watered down in Gundam ZZ and unfortunately it's a little hard to deny it.
Nadesico had good female pilots, but most agree that that series is one that doesn't really take itself seriously.
Soukou no Strain is little more than a distant memory despite how nice a series it was.
Jinki/Jinki: Extend/Jinki:Extend Relation barely registers on the mecha radar.
Even in the original Aquarion Kawamori shafted the strong-willed Sylvia, turning her into the damsel in distress while ze boyz hogged all the piloting spotlight.

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Even in original Aquarion Kawamori shafted the strong-willed Sylvia, turning her into the damsel in distress while ze boyz hogged all the piloting spotlight.

To be fair to Sylvia in the OS, she does single-handledly win a fight vs. a Shadow Angel without needing a mecha. She isn't able to kill her, but it's still very impressive.

Also Tsugumi manages a stronger attack as Aquarian's head than Apollo ever did, shattering the shield over the warp gates to the Shadow Angel home world.

It's true the boys do get all the glory (considering what type of show it is that's not too shocking), but the girls do get their moments to shine as well.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Adigard

It's true the boys do get all the glory (considering what type of show it is that's not too shocking), but the girls do get their moments to shine as well.

Absolutely, but the problem is it's only rarely a plot-making/shattering event or in the series finale "battle to save the world," and even more rare is it something that wins the final battle like Kamille Bidan Waverider Crashing into the The-O and squashing that bug Paptimus Shirocco. The true focus of any series-shattering event is almost always on the ze boyz.

Still, I'm ever-so-praying that Mikono's weak-willed starting act was Kawamori setting up a "WTF" event for Mikono turning into a steamrolling badass. It'll be something very new and there's plenty of time for setup to make it make sense. (though the main purpose of making something "WTF" is people not seeing it coming)